Harden & Gaudin for Gallagher, Murton, EPatt & Donaldson

[mhuber92211]

Color me ecstatic about this deal.

 

I'm trying to figure out who is absorbing this hit to the wallet and I'm thankful they are willing to make it happen.

 

The Cubs are in a position to go for it, and I'm thrilled they have the door open to do everything necessary to increase the chances of making to the postseason and beyond.

 

=D>

 

Its only like 2.2M for this year.

 

Yeah, 2.2m this year and 7m next year? Someone has to sign off on this budget increase. I'm just glad that someone is doing it.

 

But with Eyre & Howry leaving next year, the budget is a wash.

 

Also the option is a Club option meaning that it can be not picked up and he would just be Arby eligable

[mhuber92211]

Are Saturday games blocked out on MLBTV ?

 

The Saturday game has been changed to a 12:05 start, so I'm pretty sure it's not blacked out. Not 100% positive though.

 

I live in So Cal and I don't have MLB.TV or Extra Innings and have been able to get any game I have tried to get all season.

 

 

Sports online

 

[mhuber92211]

With Lou non-plussed in his press conference and saying things like "News to me" are Hendry and him still on the same page? I never understood their relationship and hopefully, this does not strain it

[nilodnayr]

Color me ecstatic about this deal.

 

I'm trying to figure out who is absorbing this hit to the wallet and I'm thankful they are willing to make it happen.

 

The Cubs are in a position to go for it, and I'm thrilled they have the door open to do everything necessary to increase the chances of making to the postseason and beyond.

 

=D>

 

Its only like 2.2M for this year.

 

Yeah, 2.2m this year and 7m next year? Someone has to sign off on this budget increase. I'm just glad that someone is doing it.

 

I'm sure the attitude is that that will be someone elses problem. In fact, there are a lot of terrible increasing contracts from 08-09. Even netting out signing bonuses and not counting arbi guys I count over 10M in increases to the guys we have under contract...and thats without counting Harden. A lot of our bullpen contracts expire after this year (Wood, Howry, Eyre, Lieber) and Dempster too, but they don't make a ton of money and Wood will probably be retained at a big raise.

 

The 2009 Cubs are going to have a payroll well north of 130M. The luxury tax level is 162M for 2009 so we still have plenty of room.

[Butterscup1679666578]

With Lou non-plussed in his press conference and saying things like "News to me" are Hendry and him still on the same page? I never understood their relationship and hopefully, this does not strain it

 

I don't think there are any problems. The trade was announced like an hour before the game, which was right around when press conferences were starting I assume, so I bet Hendry just didn't have a chance to tell him. I'm sure Lou knew that Hendry was working on a deal. I remember in ST that Hendry told Lou he was "going to be a very happy guy this winter" or something like that. I'm sure they're on the same page.

[Ender]

The way I see things, this trade is basically just Gallagher for Harden, seeing as how Epatt and Murton had nowhere to play anyways.

 

WOW.

I look at it more as Gallagher for Harden and Gaudin. Gaudin himself can be a significant contributor the rest of the year.

 

Gallagher and Gaudin are pretty comperable at this point aren't they? The rest of the trade is Harden for Patterson/Murton and Donaldson.

 

I understand why the A's did the deal but IF Harden stays healthy the Cubs come out ahead. That IF is the only reason the deal went down as the A's know they aren't going to realistically compete in the next 2 years and Harden will be gone after that. He finally pitched a few games in a row so they dumbed him.

 

The Cubs dont' gain much out of it until playoff time. They were favorites to take the division anyway and even if they somehow falter they should be good for the wild card. The entire deal is about having a stronger playoff rotation especially if Z's arm should have more problems as the season goes on.

[A New Era]

Nice deal for the Cubs. Sucks you guys had to give up Gallagher tho, I always like him even as a Brewer fan.

 

I would still rather have Sabathia but got to hand it to Hendry. I really like Gaudin. Hopefully Harden can stay healthy and what will the Cards do know?

 

Checked out Brewerfan.net tonight and I have to admit it was all class. It is good to have a rivalry with civilized people.

 

Go to Brewers.com.

[haltz]

Gallagher and Gaudin are pretty comperable at this point aren't they? The rest of the trade is Harden for Patterson/Murton and Donaldson.

Gallagher is more projectable and has a fraction of the service time.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If you read between the lines in this article, it's killing Dayn Perry to say positive things about the Cubs.

[Roast]

I was at work when this went down. It sounds like a pretty good deal to me assuming Harden can stay healthy.

 

What's the general consensus here without me having to read 22 pages

[NonProfitCow]

I was at work when this went down. It sounds like a pretty good deal to me assuming Harden can stay healthy.

 

What's the general consensus here without me having to read 22 pages

Good deal for both sides. Didn't sell the farm and got a top flight talent. Everything hinges on Hardens health.

 

 

As a Cardinals fan I am very angry.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

If you read between the lines in this article, it's killing Dayn Perry to say positive things about the Cubs.

 

I know he's a Cardinals' fan, but does he pay attention to other managers in the league.

 

As for the Cardinals, it would be a mistake to dismiss the Cardinals out of hand. They have the best manager and best hitter in baseball, and at some point in the second half they should get back Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter.

[XZero771679666304]

If you read between the lines in this article, it's killing Dayn Perry to say positive things about the Cubs.

 

Yeah, and I don't agree with him at all when he says the Cubs are taking a bigger risk than the Brewers.

 

For one thing, We'll still have Z and Harden next year. Sheets and Sabathia are both goners (CC for sure, probably Sheets), and they gave up LaPorta, who was the likely replacement for Fielder when Prince leaves (though they still have Gamel, but I like LaPorta more). Gallagher is good, but none of the other players the Cubs gave up have any future on the team, nor were they elite prospects.

 

Put it this way: if the worst were to happen and the Cubs implode down the stretch, we're still in fine shape going into 2009.

 

If the same happens to the Brewers, they will have suffered a net loss (LaPorta and the PTBNL). Though if the Brewers did nothing they likely enter 2009 with Gallardo as their ace, but they still would have had their top ML ready prospect.

 

Even if Harden were to suffer a catastrophic injury tomorrow, the Cubs wouldn't be out that much.

[NonProfitCow]

If you read between the lines in this article, it's killing Dayn Perry to say positive things about the Cubs.

 

Yeah, and I don't agree with him at all when he says the Cubs are taking a bigger risk than the Brewers.

 

For one thing, We'll still have Z and Harden next year. Sheets and Sabathia are both goners (CC for sure, probably Sheets), and they gave up LaPorta, who was the likely replacement for Fielder when Prince leaves (though they still have Gamel, but I like LaPorta more). Gallagher is good, but none of the other players the Cubs gave up have any future on the team, nor were they elite prospects.

 

Put it this way: if the worst were to happen and the Cubs implode down the stretch, we're still in fine shape going into 2009.

 

If the same happens to the Brewers, they will have suffered a net loss (LaPorta and the PTBNL). Though if the Brewers did nothing they likely enter 2009 with Gallardo as their ace, but they still would have had their top ML ready prospect.

 

Even if Harden were to suffer a catastrophic injury tomorrow, the Cubs wouldn't be out that much.

I think he's talking about this year only. Harden has a lengthy injury history and the Cubs dealt their quality pitching depth to acquire him. So I think he's just pointing out that CC doesn't have the injury history and the Brewers didn't have to trade any current MLB players to get him.

[PrimeTime]

So what were the other Cubs responses to the trade? I was at a bar and I seen ARam on tv and was curious to what the guys in the clubhouse said...Also, They said harden was on the line also, what did he have to say??

[XZero771679666304]

If you read between the lines in this article, it's killing Dayn Perry to say positive things about the Cubs.

 

Yeah, and I don't agree with him at all when he says the Cubs are taking a bigger risk than the Brewers.

 

For one thing, We'll still have Z and Harden next year. Sheets and Sabathia are both goners (CC for sure, probably Sheets), and they gave up LaPorta, who was the likely replacement for Fielder when Prince leaves (though they still have Gamel, but I like LaPorta more). Gallagher is good, but none of the other players the Cubs gave up have any future on the team, nor were they elite prospects.

 

Put it this way: if the worst were to happen and the Cubs implode down the stretch, we're still in fine shape going into 2009.

 

If the same happens to the Brewers, they will have suffered a net loss (LaPorta and the PTBNL). Though if the Brewers did nothing they likely enter 2009 with Gallardo as their ace, but they still would have had their top ML ready prospect.

 

Even if Harden were to suffer a catastrophic injury tomorrow, the Cubs wouldn't be out that much.

I think he's talking about this year only. Harden has a lengthy injury history and the Cubs dealt their quality pitching depth to acquire him. So I think he's just pointing out that CC doesn't have the injury history and the Brewers didn't have to trade any current MLB players to get him.

 

And the Cubs didn't trade anyone (other than Gallagher) who was of any real importance to the team. And as far as Sean goes, I think Gaudin would be as good or better than he would be for the remainder this year (he has been so far, as a starter, and a move to the NL won't hurt any).

 

If you only look at this year, I don't think either team took any real risk here.

 

IMO, the only risk the Cubs took was future risk.

[RedFlash]

 

As for the Cardinals, it would be a mistake to dismiss the Cardinals out of hand. They have the best manager and best hitter in baseball, and at some point in the second half they should get back Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter.

 

This statement to me, says that he is trying to give Cards fans hope that they are still in it for the long haul. But in turn, all this statement is....is false hope. To call LaRussa the "best manager" is ridiculous. LaRussa might be the MOST OVERRATED MANAGER this side of Joe Torre and Bobby Cox.

 

The simple truth is...Perry is trying to convince himself and the rest of the Cards nation, that his team still has a shot. But the reality is....unless they make a big deal, they are playing for 3rd place.

[RedFlash]

Here's how my day went:

 

Got at a 2pm, didn't jump on the internet.

By 4pm, went to Logan's Steakhouse for an early dinner.

By 6pm, went bowling, for a couple of hours.

By 9pm, went to see "Wanted" and hang out with some friends.

By 1100pm, took a bath for an hour.

By 1200am, jumped on the interent to find out how the game went, but:

 

The first thing I saw on myexcite homepage was:

Cubs Acquire RHP Harden From Athletics

 

My jaw dropped as I couldn’t believe the Cubs would acquire a talent top end starter, so close to the Brewers getting CC. I honestly, believe the Cubs would eventually land AJ Burnett closer to the deadline (and they still could, in all honesty). And I couldn’t believe it, I really couldn’t believe it. Then I found out, that they picked up Chad Gaudin along with Harden, for Gallagher and replacement parts. Even with his injury concerns, to get Harden so cheaply, was highway robbery. To say, I was dancing like I was channeling my inner Mick Jagger would be an understatement. I know some people had favorites as to who to acquire, but to get a young a man, who is 26 (Gaudin is only 25) and has not reached his potential, for players that could be replaced, and losing Gallagher, was simply too good of a deal to pass up. I know some people thinking the Cubs could still land a starter at the deadline, and they could, but my gut feeling is, Hendry wanted Gaudin included, as insurance, just in case Harden does get hurt.

On top of that, I found out the Cubs had signed their Top Draft pick, and the Cubs beat the Reds, to me, this is as perfect of a day, in the life of a Cub fan as you can get. Not to wax poetically, but this day just seem too perfect for Cubs fans. But I am going to enjoy it for as long as I can.

So pardon me, but I have to say it….

RICH-----SOAPDROPPING-----HARDEN is now a Cub.

And I look forward to watching a “Harden-Wood” combo shutting down opps for the rest of the yr.

And one more thing:

People are concern about Rich Harden and his injuries histories, well guess what, the Brewers have the same concerns about Ben Sheets. In fact the Brewers/Cubs Top 2 starters are mirror images of one anther. Both have heavyweight looking ACE pitchers (CC .v. Z) and they both have extremely talented, yet supremely injury prone ACES (Sheets .v. Harden), so both teams have the same concerns about ½ of the studs combos.

[TruffleShuffle]

 

As for the Cardinals, it would be a mistake to dismiss the Cardinals out of hand. They have the best manager and best hitter in baseball, and at some point in the second half they should get back Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter.

 

This statement to me, says that he is trying to give Cards fans hope that they are still in it for the long haul. But in turn, all this statement is....is false hope. To call LaRussa the "best manager" is ridiculous. LaRussa might be the MOST OVERRATED MANAGER this side of Joe Torre and Bobby Cox.

 

wait so if larussa, torre and cox are overrated, then who the hell is a good manager?

[RedFlash]

 

As for the Cardinals, it would be a mistake to dismiss the Cardinals out of hand. They have the best manager and best hitter in baseball, and at some point in the second half they should get back Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter.

 

This statement to me, says that he is trying to give Cards fans hope that they are still in it for the long haul. But in turn, all this statement is....is false hope. To call LaRussa the "best manager" is ridiculous. LaRussa might be the MOST OVERRATED MANAGER this side of Joe Torre and Bobby Cox.

 

wait so if larussa, torre and cox are overrated, then who the hell is a good manager?

 

Sciossa, or however he spell his name.

 

I'm not saying LaRussa/Torre/Cox are bad managers, or are not good managers, I'm just saying they get more credit then they prolly deserve.

[TruffleShuffle]

dayn perry forgot about marshall, and i strongly disagree that an injury to harden would mean big trouble for the cubs, but otherwise the rest of the article seems accurate. i will say, it's kinda nice that the cubs are a team that everyone else in baseball respects right now.... last year, winning the central was more a case of "tallest midget" than anything else.

[BigSlick]

 

As for the Cardinals, it would be a mistake to dismiss the Cardinals out of hand. They have the best manager and best hitter in baseball, and at some point in the second half they should get back Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter.

 

This statement to me, says that he is trying to give Cards fans hope that they are still in it for the long haul. But in turn, all this statement is....is false hope. To call LaRussa the "best manager" is ridiculous. LaRussa might be the MOST OVERRATED MANAGER this side of Joe Torre and Bobby Cox.

 

wait so if larussa, torre and cox are overrated, then who the hell is a good manager?

I fall in line with the Baseball Prospectus way of looking at things

 

There are no good managers, only ones who screw up less than others. (Cox is among those, don't know why he's catching much flak here)

 

Torre and La Russa are borderline terrible.

[Backtobanks]

If you read between the lines in this article, it's killing Dayn Perry to say positive things about the Cubs.

 

Yeah, and I don't agree with him at all when he says the Cubs are taking a bigger risk than the Brewers.

 

For one thing, We'll still have Z and Harden next year. Sheets and Sabathia are both goners (CC for sure, probably Sheets), and they gave up LaPorta, who was the likely replacement for Fielder when Prince leaves (though they still have Gamel, but I like LaPorta more). Gallagher is good, but none of the other players the Cubs gave up have any future on the team, nor were they elite prospects.

 

Put it this way: if the worst were to happen and the Cubs implode down the stretch, we're still in fine shape going into 2009.

 

If the same happens to the Brewers, they will have suffered a net loss (LaPorta and the PTBNL). Though if the Brewers did nothing they likely enter 2009 with Gallardo as their ace, but they still would have had their top ML ready prospect.

 

Even if Harden were to suffer a catastrophic injury tomorrow, the Cubs wouldn't be out that much.

 

Especially after the Cubs sign Sabathia as a free agent this winter.

Zambrano

Sabathia

Harden

Dempster

Lilly

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

[CoolHandLuke]

So, since we're going to the playoffs anyways, we have to keep Harden on a short leash the remainder of the season right? IE Pitch counts, skipping his rotation spot on occasion, etc...

[weis21]

Are Saturday games blocked out on MLBTV ?

 

The Saturday game has been changed to a 12:05 start, so I'm pretty sure it's not blacked out. Not 100% positive though.

Well, normally it has only been the 3:55 EST time games this year that have been blacked out. All the rest of the Saturday games have been shown on mlb.tv. However, looking at ESPN's projected schedule (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/schedules) it has all 3:55 EST games on FOX as well as the Cubs 1:05 start. So judging by that, then I would think that the cubs will indeed be blacked out Saturday. Looks like it's a sportsbar for me.