Would you mortgage the future for a better shot at the WS?

[Butterscup1679666578]

And if the Cubs sign Barry Bonds, I will no longer be a Cubs fan. That will be the final straw for me. And I have been with the Cubs since the 1960's.

 

 

not much of a fan then, IMO.

[NCCubFan]

And if the Cubs sign Barry Bonds, I will no longer be a Cubs fan. That will be the final straw for me. And I have been with the Cubs since the 1960's.

 

 

not much of a fan then, IMO.

He's a pastor. I can see why that background would make him consider character important.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

And if the Cubs sign Barry Bonds, I will no longer be a Cubs fan. That will be the final straw for me. And I have been with the Cubs since the 1960's.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

 

Tom... why shouldn't we sign Barry ?? After all, we signed his old man, Bobby, didn't we ???

[Electron Blue]

And if the Cubs sign Barry Bonds, I will no longer be a Cubs fan. That will be the final straw for me. And I have been with the Cubs since the 1960's.

 

 

not much of a fan then, IMO.

He's a pastor. I can see why that background would make him consider character important.

 

I think I've got pretty good morals (biased, I know), yet I'm not opposed to signing bonds. at least not for moral reasons.

[tspain]

Hey, I can be a great fan, which I am, and not like Barry Bonds and want him on my team. He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo. And I am entitled to my opinion. And yes, I feel that strongly about it. Ask anyone who knows me if I am a Cubs fan of long standing, if I can name every player in the majors and minors, if I live and breathe Cubs. I have since the 1960's. Back to Kessinger, Beckert, Williams, Santo, Banks, and Hundley played so well together, and Fergie Jenkins was impossible to beat. Now we have another fine team, and I want to win this time. But not with the help of Barry Bonds. That is my opinon.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

No offense to anyone, but I'm hoping the Cubs win a World Series with Bonds so the post Cubs World Series bandwagon won't be so full.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Hey, I can be a great fan, which I am, and not like Barry Bonds and want him on my team. He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo. And I am entitled to my opinion. And yes, I feel that strongly about it. Ask anyone who knows me if I am a Cubs fan of long standing, if I can name every player in the majors and minors, if I live and breathe Cubs. I have since the 1960's. Back to Kessinger, Beckert, Williams, Santo, Banks, and Hundley played so well together, and Fergie Jenkins was impossible to beat. Now we have another fine team, and I want to win this time. But not with the help of Barry Bonds. That is my opinon.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

 

I respect your opinion, and I hate Bonds too, but I'd never stop liking my favorite TEAM because of one PLAYER. Especially one who would only be here 3 months or so. That's why I think it's ludicrous that you, who obviously has been in love with the team for a long time, would end that because you didn't like one player out of 25.

[UK1679666180]

There isn't anyone in the Cubs' system (that isn't currently helping the Cubs) that I would consider as a future "need to have" to maintain future playoff showings. I would mortgage the future to increase the talent on the 25 man roster.

[Banghart]

How many were willing to trade for Bedard and Roberts last year if it cost Rich Hill and Felix Pie and maybe Gallagher?

 

If we could have traded for Tim Lincumen and Aaron Rowand last winter but had to give up a boat load such as 6 players like Rich Hill, Carlos Marmol, Sean Gallagher, Felix Pie, then add Pawalek and Rhee. Would you have made that deal last winter?

 

No one saw Hill's problems coming. Probably can't get much him right now. But it sure would be nice to have another #1 starter like Bedard or Lincumen.

 

If we need anything, I would love another #1 starter to go with Big Z. in the short series called the play offs. It is not enough to make the playoffs this year. We have to win it all.

 

I would trade everyone in the minors to win this year. I would not trade Geo Soto however. No way. He is untouchable.

 

And if the Cubs sign Barry Bonds, I will no longer be a Cubs fan. That will be the final straw for me. And I have been with the Cubs since the 1960's.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

I know Bedard pitches on the West Coast now, but have you been paying attention to Bedard this year. Seattle is regretting that trade big time right now. Bedard has a 4.14 ERA and a 1.35 WHIP, not to mention his era+ is 96 this year. Bedard has been a below average pitcher this year. And DeRosa has been better than Roberts so far this year. The Cubs got lucky that Angelos saved them from themselves from giving up players like Cedeno for lower production, and this is why it is dangerous to mortage the future for a better shot today. You don't always know what you are getting, and there are very few pitchers out there that can be counted on for ace like production. Fewer of those pitchers are actually available at any price, and then the question becomes if the Cubs have enough even if they wanted to trade for an ace caliber starter.

 

Rich Hill is unfortunate, and you do wish that the Cubs could have capitalized on his tremendous value in the offseason given his lack of production this year. However, there was no way to predict the utter collapse of Rich Hill. This goes back to what I mentioned above that you can count of very few players for top tier production.

 

Ultimately everyone agrees that they want the best possible 25 man roster, but the question is how do you go about creating that roster. Everyone has untouchables. Very few people would be willing to trade Carlos Marmol in any deal, and you yourself listed one player you wouldn't trade under any circumstances. Everyone also knows that there is going to be a season in 2009 no matter what happens this year, and as much as I am enjoying the ride this year I want my team to be good next year as well.

[TruffleShuffle]

He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo.

 

which rules are you referring to?

[SouthSideRyan]

He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo.

 

which rules are you referring to?

 

Probably the same rules that Brian Roberts and scads of others broke, yet people would have no problem with those guys on the team. Has anyone stopped being a fan of the Cubs because they didn't outright release Robert Hernandez?

[FergieJ31]

He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo.

 

which rules are you referring to?

 

Probably the same rules that Brian Roberts and scads of others broke, yet people would have no problem with those guys on the team. Has anyone stopped being a fan of the Cubs because they didn't outright release Robert Hernandez?

 

Brian Roberts and Robert Hernandez committed perjury too?

[Jehrico]

Our farm is weak. Many of our players are close to the end of what is generally regarded as peak years. I don't think we can expect alot of our guys to reproduce next year what they are doing this year. The stars are aligned right now. We'll be good next year, but not as good. Give up whatever it takes from the farm to land Sabathia and don't look back.

[SouthSideRyan]

He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo.

 

which rules are you referring to?

 

Probably the same rules that Brian Roberts and scads of others broke, yet people would have no problem with those guys on the team. Has anyone stopped being a fan of the Cubs because they didn't outright release Robert Hernandez?

 

Brian Roberts and Robert Hernandez committed perjury too?

 

You think that's why so many people have problems with Bonds?

[FergieJ31]

He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo.

 

which rules are you referring to?

 

Probably the same rules that Brian Roberts and scads of others broke, yet people would have no problem with those guys on the team. Has anyone stopped being a fan of the Cubs because they didn't outright release Robert Hernandez?

 

Brian Roberts and Robert Hernandez committed perjury too?

 

You think that's why so many people have problems with Bonds?

 

Were we talking about "so many people"? The guy, tspain, simply said he doesn't want Bonds on the Cubs on principle. I'm just saying it's a little absurd to call out the guy by pretending the principle is that Bonds was just another juicer.

[CubinNY]

He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo.

 

which rules are you referring to?

 

Probably the same rules that Brian Roberts and scads of others broke, yet people would have no problem with those guys on the team. Has anyone stopped being a fan of the Cubs because they didn't outright release Robert Hernandez?

 

Brian Roberts and Robert Hernandez committed perjury too?

 

You think that's why so many people have problems with Bonds?

 

Were we talking about "so many people"? The guy, tspain, simply said he doesn't want Bonds on the Cubs on principle. I'm just saying it's a little absurd to call out the guy by pretending the principle is that Bonds was just another juicer.

Bonds hasn't been convicted of anything.

 

Bonds is being made an example of mostly because he was an ass, but partly because he broke a sacred record in sports. Perjury has nothing to do with it.

[FergieJ31]

Were we talking about "so many people"? The guy, tspain, simply said he doesn't want Bonds on the Cubs on principle. I'm just saying it's a little absurd to call out the guy by pretending the principle is that Bonds was just another juicer.

Bonds hasn't been convicted of anything.

 

Bonds is being made an example of mostly because he was an ass, but partly because he broke a sacred record in sports. Perjury has nothing to do with it.

 

You're seriously going to marginalize the perjury indictment behind "being an ass"?

[CubinNY]

Were we talking about "so many people"? The guy, tspain, simply said he doesn't want Bonds on the Cubs on principle. I'm just saying it's a little absurd to call out the guy by pretending the principle is that Bonds was just another juicer.

Bonds hasn't been convicted of anything.

 

Bonds is being made an example of mostly because he was an ass, but partly because he broke a sacred record in sports. Perjury has nothing to do with it.

 

You're seriously going to marginalize the perjury indictment behind "being an ass"?

They could have gotten a perjury indictment on any of a number of players. Why aren't the going after Palmerio, Clemens, etc., etc.,

[Jehrico]

Were we talking about "so many people"? The guy, tspain, simply said he doesn't want Bonds on the Cubs on principle. I'm just saying it's a little absurd to call out the guy by pretending the principle is that Bonds was just another juicer.

Bonds hasn't been convicted of anything.

 

Bonds is being made an example of mostly because he was an ass, but partly because he broke a sacred record in sports. Perjury has nothing to do with it.

 

You're seriously going to marginalize the perjury indictment behind "being an ass"?

They could have gotten a perjury indictment on any of a number of players. Why aren't the going after Palmerio, Clemens, etc., etc.,

Who said they aren't? Clemens is being investigated. Just because you don't here Raffy's name, doesn't mean it's not being looked into. He used illegal drugs and perjured himself. Because he broke a sacred record, he's getting more media attention than anyone else.

[SouthSideRyan]

He broke the rules, and should be in jail, and not playing ball, imo.

 

which rules are you referring to?

 

Probably the same rules that Brian Roberts and scads of others broke, yet people would have no problem with those guys on the team. Has anyone stopped being a fan of the Cubs because they didn't outright release Robert Hernandez?

 

Brian Roberts and Robert Hernandez committed perjury too?

 

You think that's why so many people have problems with Bonds?

 

Were we talking about "so many people"? The guy, tspain, simply said he doesn't want Bonds on the Cubs on principle. I'm just saying it's a little absurd to call out the guy by pretending the principle is that Bonds was just another juicer.

 

Well on principle, he shouldn't like Aramis either for taking part in cockfighting. On principle he shouldn't cheer for half the major leaguers who cheat on their wives. There's a lot of bad people in professional sports who have broken laws and some of them probably play for the Cubs. Drawing the line in the sand at perjury seems a little bizarre to me.

[FergieJ31]

Were we talking about "so many people"? The guy, tspain, simply said he doesn't want Bonds on the Cubs on principle. I'm just saying it's a little absurd to call out the guy by pretending the principle is that Bonds was just another juicer.

Bonds hasn't been convicted of anything.

 

Bonds is being made an example of mostly because he was an ass, but partly because he broke a sacred record in sports. Perjury has nothing to do with it.

 

You're seriously going to marginalize the perjury indictment behind "being an ass"?

They could have gotten a perjury indictment on any of a number of players. Why aren't the going after Palmerio, Clemens, etc., etc.,

 

They are going after Clemens. There is an FBI probe and Clemens is looking at a potential perjury charge. And Palmeiro was investigated a few years ago - he came close to perjuring himself but IIRC by denying he used steroids he was technically telling the truth.

 

I do agree, though, that Bonds and Clemens are being targeted in part because of their stature in the game. But it's more about the evidence against them being incriminating. Nothing would make a prosecutor sillier than getting their case against Clemens or Bonds thrown out of court on insufficient evidence.

 

But this is all beside the point; I was only saying it's ridiculous to call out the poster because he doesn't want Bonds on the Cubs, and suggest or pretend it's only because Bonds juiced.

[Larry Horse]

Yes.