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I loved Stoney, with Harry and with Thom Brenneman. I can't stand Brenly and Kaspar. I think they are getting worse every day. I really wish they'd move Santo & Hughes to TV and Bob & Len to radio.

 

Ditto, to me the current day broadcast team pales in comparison. I have a hard time understanding some of the hate for Stone on these boards, I dont think it reflects popular opinon at all.

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I think Stone is better when it comes to in game situational type analysis but Bob gives insight into the human aspect of the players/coaches lives. I prefer Bob because I hate the smarmy-ness of Stone. And I like Len a lot more than Chip.

 

Santo is terrible but the Pat and Ron team is great.

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Stone complimented Harry well because Harry wasn't going to give you any hard-hitting analysis. Kasper is a stats guy, so pairing him with Stone would be redundant.

 

Stone's not a stats guy.

 

compared to Harry, he was Bill effing James

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Steve Stone is much better than Brenly.

 

Also, Len Kasper is nauseating. Once he has an opinion of his own let me know.

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I loved Stoney growing up and learned quite a bit from him. That said, Brenly is so different that its difficult to compare the two, IMO. I really like Len and Bob in the booth, but if you put a gun to my head I'd pick Stone.
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Bob entertains me much more than Stone. I dont need analysis all the time, Stone was good but he came off as smart ass.

 

I really really like Len. He's solid and doesnt have stupid 'bits' that he uses. Its very natural and not staged. Chip drove me nuts with all this stupid sayings and jokes he would play with Stone (they werent jokes but he thought they were). A PBP guy shouldnt annoy me, i cant stand guys who annoy me.

 

And last night i listened to Vin Scully. Dudes in the booth all by himself and he still brings it.

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Steve Stone is much better than Brenly.

 

Also, Len Kasper is nauseating. Once he has an opinion of his own let me know.

 

:?: Never heard that one before. What, more specifically, do you mean?

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Steve Stone is much better than Brenly.

 

Also, Len Kasper is nauseating. Once he has an opinion of his own let me know.

 

:?: Never heard that one before. What, more specifically, do you mean?

 

Probably the fact that he agrees with everything that Piniella does, for one.

 

Stone and it's not even close. I took him for granted when he was with the Cubs, but he is vastly superior to Brenly in every way.

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Bob entertains me much more than Stone. I dont need analysis all the time, Stone was good but he came off as smart ass.

 

I really really like Len. He's solid and doesnt have stupid 'bits' that he uses. Its very natural and not staged. Chip drove me nuts with all this stupid sayings and jokes he would play with Stone (they werent jokes but he thought they were). A PBP guy shouldnt annoy me, i cant stand guys who annoy me.

 

BUT WHO'S GONNA PICK UP THE CHECK???!!?!?

 

liked Chip, but good God>

 

Brenly's made for the color position because he was a catcher and a manger, the 2 positions I'd want most in a color guy.(pitcher would be 3rd)

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Santo is awful on the radio, too.

 

From a broadcasting standpoint, I agree 100%. As a fan though, you have to appreciate his genuine enthusiasm and love for the Cubs.

I'm not looking for a great broadcaster in the color man. Harry was the same as Ron. He was a horrible announcer, but he was well loved because it was like one of us was in the booth. He got excited when something great happened and he got pissed when something terrible happened. I didn't like Santo when I first heard him call games on WGN, but he really grew on me. I think he wants this team to win more than all of us combined and I love that. Brenly is boring and unfunny, despite countless attempts at humor. Kaspar may be OK with a different partner, but I doubt it.

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i like how critical brenly is, everyone remember his dogging on Soriano's defense. he said you could throw a dart at the firstbase dugout and get a better lf defensively. that cracked me up
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Santo is awful on the radio, too.

 

From a broadcasting standpoint, I agree 100%. As a fan though, you have to appreciate his genuine enthusiasm and love for the Cubs.

I'm not looking for a great broadcaster in the color man. Harry was the same as Ron. He was a horrible announcer, but he was well loved because it was like one of us was in the booth. He got excited when something great happened and he got pissed when something terrible happened. I didn't like Santo when I first heard him call games on WGN, but he really grew on me. I think he wants this team to win more than all of us combined and I love that. Brenly is boring and unfunny, despite countless attempts at humor. Kaspar may be OK with a different partner, but I doubt it.

 

I didn't like Caray either. I heard some broadcasts of him way back when he first started with the Cubs and earlier, and I was shocked at how good he used to be. We got him at the end of his career when he was way past his prime.

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Brenly's made for the color position because he was a catcher and a manger, the 2 positions I'd want most in a color guy.(pitcher would be 3rd)
Away in a manger.....
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When I first was watch Cub games, I watch those games with my father and brother. And while those teams sucks, Harry and Stone were simply good together. Looking back at it.....to me...Stone, like most have said, has abit of "I know baseball, because I was a former Cy Young winner and you're not" type attitude. I'm not saying that was bad, I was just saying, he grated my nerves now. Stone should have patented, "If the pitcher throws a slider, low and away, he should get him" as his catchprase, seeing he used it, like Paris Hilton uses "That's hot." And Harry,he was wasted 96.7% of the time. Chip, did not, nor would not talk down to his audience. Nor should he, but he could come down off his high hrose, once in a while.

 

Len and Bob are simply gold together.

 

So what I am saying is...Harry and Stone will always hold special memories to me..............

But let's face...Kasper/Brenly are soooooooooo much better are calling games, it's not even a debate.

 

My answer is Brenly, but a landslide.

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Santo is awful on the radio, too.

 

From a broadcasting standpoint, I agree 100%. As a fan though, you have to appreciate his genuine enthusiasm and love for the Cubs.

I'm not looking for a great broadcaster in the color man. Harry was the same as Ron. He was a horrible announcer, but he was well loved because it was like one of us was in the booth. He got excited when something great happened and he got pissed when something terrible happened. I didn't like Santo when I first heard him call games on WGN, but he really grew on me. I think he wants this team to win more than all of us combined and I love that. Brenly is boring and unfunny, despite countless attempts at humor. Kaspar may be OK with a different partner, but I doubt it.

 

I didn't like Caray either. I heard some broadcasts of him way back when he first started with the Cubs and earlier, and I was shocked at how good he used to be. We got him at the end of his career when he was way past his prime.

 

I wish you could have heard Harry Caray doing Cardinals games with Jack Buck back in the fifties. You simply would not believe it was the same person. In the 50's, Harry Caray was the quintessential baseball announcer. The guy who came to the CUBS in '82 was a bad caricature of that announcer who then began to degenerate into buffoonery. While I was never a big fan of Harry's during his years with the CUBS, I have to give him credit where it's due. His enthusiasm for baseball in general and the CUBS in particular was genuine and unparalleled.

 

I don't believe the braintrust at WGN ever considered that hiring Harry Caray would be a good thing because of Caray's great broadcasting talent and knowledge of the game, but rather, because he could stir up the fans like few others ever have, and they could use that to sell their product. The same argument, to a lesser degree, can be made about Ron Santo. From that perspective, selling the CUBS, there was no greater success that Harry Caray. Ten years after his passing we still have a caricature of his likeness on display in the ballpark, there's a statue of him outside the ballpark, and we still have guest celebrities doing his 7th inning stretch bit. Best hire ever. Kudos to WGN.

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i like how critical brenly is, everyone remember his dogging on Soriano's defense. he said you could throw a dart at the firstbase dugout and get a better lf defensively. that cracked me up

 

It's pretty funny except for the fact that Soriano was one of the better defensive LF in baseball in 2006 and 2007.

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Santo is awful on the radio, too.

 

From a broadcasting standpoint, I agree 100%. As a fan though, you have to appreciate his genuine enthusiasm and love for the Cubs.

I'm not looking for a great broadcaster in the color man. Harry was the same as Ron. He was a horrible announcer, but he was well loved because it was like one of us was in the booth. He got excited when something great happened and he got pissed when something terrible happened. I didn't like Santo when I first heard him call games on WGN, but he really grew on me. I think he wants this team to win more than all of us combined and I love that. Brenly is boring and unfunny, despite countless attempts at humor. Kaspar may be OK with a different partner, but I doubt it.

 

I didn't like Caray either. I heard some broadcasts of him way back when he first started with the Cubs and earlier, and I was shocked at how good he used to be. We got him at the end of his career when he was way past his prime.

 

I wish you could have heard Harry Caray doing Cardinals games with Jack Buck back in the fifties. You simply would not believe it was the same person. In the 50's, Harry Caray was the quintessential baseball announcer. The guy who came to the CUBS in '82 was a bad caricature of that announcer who then began to degenerate into buffoonery. While I was never a big fan of Harry's during his years with the CUBS, I have to give him credit where it's due. His enthusiasm for baseball in general and the CUBS in particular was genuine and unparalleled.

 

I don't believe the braintrust at WGN ever considered that hiring Harry Caray would be a good thing because of Caray's great broadcasting talent and knowledge of the game, but rather, because he could stir up the fans like few others ever have, and they could use that to sell their product. The same argument, to a lesser degree, can be made about Ron Santo. From that perspective, selling the CUBS, there was no greater success that Harry Caray. Ten years after his passing we still have a caricature of his likeness on display in the ballpark, there's a statue of him outside the ballpark, and we still have guest celebrities doing his 7th inning stretch bit. Best hire ever. Kudos to WGN.

 

It's nice to see someone criticize Harry -- like so many have -- yet still understand the perspective of the whole thing. Harry was after my time (in age and cubfanhood), but I know the legend and I know Ron Santo -- and the similarities help me understand both the legend of Harry and the complex love/hate of Ron Santo in the booth among Cubs fans.

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