OMG JOBA STARTS TONIGHT!

[CubsGM]

http://www.dodgerblues.com//fanforum/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=13431&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Read this. It's a classic.

[circlecitycub]

Almost 40 pitches in the 1st. I think it's safe to say that he won't be around long enough to qualify for the win.

[Guest]

Almost 40 pitches in the 1st. I think it's safe to say that he won't be around long enough to qualify for the win.

 

I think he's on a 70 pitch limit also.

[circlecitycub]

Almost 40 pitches in the 1st. I think it's safe to say that he won't be around long enough to qualify for the win.

 

I think he's on a 70 pitch limit also.

 

At that rate he'll be lucky to make it through the 3rd.

[circlecitycub]

2 1/3 innings. His start was basically a relief appearance.

[imb]

How did Joba's family take his short debut in the starting rotation? Turn over to ESPN2 for extended Chamberlain coverage.

[splintersag]

http://www.dodgerblues.com//fanforum/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=13431&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Read this. It's a classic.

 

I love Dodger Blues!

 

The first couple posts were pretty normal, with only a couple F bombs. But once they start talking about his dad, I remembered what website I was reading!

 

I can't quote any of the funny posts here unless I want to get banned, though...

[shnsajax]

all you had to say was Joba Dodger Blues and I would have read it.

[CubbieBum]

If he's going to be a starter then let him start. Pulling him after 2 1/3 is just stupid kills the bullpen for a week.

[Cubbies2238]

The way the Yankees handled Joba was terrible. He should've pitched 2 innings like he was doing and then make this start in AAA. Once they see that he can pitch 90 pitches or so bring him back up. That Yankee bullpen is terrible, and now they are without their best pitcher, I think this is the year that the Yankees stay in 3rd or 4th place.

[Hosak8]

If he's going to be a starter then let him start. Pulling him after 2 1/3 is just stupid kills the bullpen for a week.

 

The only thing that would have been dumber than having him make this start in the majors, as opposed to AA or AAA, would have been to have let him throw 90 pitches. You simply do not do that to a young arm that is trying to get stretched out. Does it hurt your bullpen? Sure it does, and that is why he should not have started this game at this level. But, it's better to hurt your pen a little bit than to destroy this kids arm.

[ConstableRabbit]

This is hilarious stuff.

 

Brox >>>>>>>>>>>>. Chamberlain

[RedFlash]

I can't believe I am going to agree with Steve Phillips, BUT I will. Phillips said the other day, they didn't like the move of Joba to the pen. The reason is while Joba improves the rotation (After first start, that might be a stretch) once every 5 days, whereas the bullpen takes a hit every day. If the Yanks were planning to do this, they should have found a suitable replacement for Joba, instead of hoping Farnsworth can do the job.

 

In other words...this is a desparate---once a Cub like move---move by a team, that definately sees their playoff appearance streak comig to an end. The Yankees should have waited to the offseason, before they made this move. The Yankees will not make the playoffs.

[BigSlick]

This whole Joba fiasco highlights the East Coast Bias more than anything else I've ever witnessed. No reliever, who really isn't that dominating or impressive, has gotten this much coverage. Its boggles my mind. There is absolutely no reason for it, and the Yankees are mediocre this year to boot! Its actually infuriating. I've never actually took notice of the supposed 'East Coast Bias' before the last couple weeks.

 

I don't think ESPN has even mentioned we've won 9 in a row or that we have the best record in baseball either. What a farce.

[abuck1220]

The reason is while Joba improves the rotation (After first start, that might be a stretch) once every 5 days, whereas the bullpen takes a hit every day.

 

ugh, i hate this line of reasoning. it's innings that matter, not days.

[davearm2]

This whole Joba fiasco highlights the East Coast Bias more than anything else I've ever witnessed. No reliever, who really isn't that dominating or impressive, has gotten this much coverage. Its boggles my mind. There is absolutely no reason for it, and the Yankees are mediocre this year to boot! Its actually infuriating. I've never actually took notice of the supposed 'East Coast Bias' before the last couple weeks.

 

I don't think ESPN has even mentioned we've won 9 in a row or that we have the best record in baseball either. What a farce.

:roll:

The Cubs probably get the next-most attention from ESPN etc. after NYY and BOS, especially when they're playing well. For our fans to complain about being under-covered is ridiculous.

 

Of course the larger point is, ESPN's coverage reflects the fact that NYY and BOS have by far the largest fanbases, followed by the Cubs.

[bukie]

The reason is while Joba improves the rotation (After first start, that might be a stretch) once every 5 days, whereas the bullpen takes a hit every day.

 

ugh, i hate this line of reasoning. it's innings that matter, not days.

 

This is true. A starter will always affect more innings than a reliever if they are starting every 5 days and giving an average of 5 innings a start. Not even Marmol is on a 162 inning pace.

[SouthSideRyan]

The reason is while Joba improves the rotation (After first start, that might be a stretch) once every 5 days, whereas the bullpen takes a hit every day.

 

ugh, i hate this line of reasoning. it's innings that matter, not days.

 

Well there is the leverage factor, but very few managers leverage their best reliever properly to maximize his value. That and there's only so much leverage to go around, so even at peak usage(which would never happen), you'd be stretching it to get 2 of your relievers worth that of 2 starters.

[CuseCubFan69]

This whole Joba fiasco highlights the East Coast Bias more than anything else I've ever witnessed. No reliever, who really isn't that dominating or impressive, has gotten this much coverage. Its boggles my mind. There is absolutely no reason for it, and the Yankees are mediocre this year to boot! Its actually infuriating. I've never actually took notice of the supposed 'East Coast Bias' before the last couple weeks.

 

I don't think ESPN has even mentioned we've won 9 in a row or that we have the best record in baseball either. What a farce.

:roll:

The Cubs probably get the next-most attention from ESPN etc. after NYY and BOS, especially when they're playing well. For our fans to complain about being under-covered is ridiculous.

 

Of course the larger point is, ESPN's coverage reflects the fact that NYY and BOS have by far the largest fanbases, followed by the Cubs.

 

That's true along with too many of these ESPN guys being Yankee/Boston fans. Look at the scroll on the bottom for an example.....they had the NBA news and Boston vs Detroit while no other sport had that. Not once did they have LA/San Antonio.

[Bull]

The reason is while Joba improves the rotation (After first start, that might be a stretch) once every 5 days, whereas the bullpen takes a hit every day.

 

ugh, i hate this line of reasoning. it's innings that matter, not days.

 

This is true. A starter will always affect more innings than a reliever if they are starting every 5 days and giving an average of 5 innings a start. Not even Marmol is on a 162 inning pace.

 

This argument has been argumented on these boards before.

 

Not every inning is created equal.

[Hosak8]

The reason is while Joba improves the rotation (After first start, that might be a stretch) once every 5 days, whereas the bullpen takes a hit every day.

 

ugh, i hate this line of reasoning. it's innings that matter, not days.

 

I think you're both wrong. It is GAMES that matter. Joba likely gives his team the better chance to win GAMES in the rotation than he does in relief.

[CubbieBum]

A good starter is much more valuable than a good bullpen arm. That's why they get more attention and get paid more. Of course you need both a good rotation and good bullpen to win. Now if you want to argue taking Joba into the rotation where he could be average and thus losing is well above average bullpen work I won't stop you. That's the real argument to me. Starters are more valuable but where do you draw the line in making a superb bullpen guy an average starter.

[third eye]

The reason is while Joba improves the rotation (After first start, that might be a stretch) once every 5 days, whereas the bullpen takes a hit every day.

 

ugh, i hate this line of reasoning. it's innings that matter, not days.

 

 

Yes and no. Leverage of innings is a big factor, given that runs scored don't carry across between games. In any case, I generally agree that innings of good pitching matter more, but it is not an absolute.

[third eye]

Not to derail the topic of the thread - the ESPN and general national coverage of Joba is annoying as all get out - but is there a leverage weighted measure of innings pitched out there somewhere?

[Pushfrog98]

I wish ESPN would have let me know about this! now I've missed the greatest event to take place in my (or anyones) lifetime. dang it!