Re: Marty Brennaman hates us :(

[Soul]

 

how is that cute? i know it's hilarious but it's still racist.

 

I know I'm playing semantics, but it isn't racist. It's stereotypical and insensitive, but it doesn't espouse the idea that races have different abilities and some races are more valuable than others.

 

I see your point, but if the only way to defend something is by saying "it's not technically racist," it's not a battle worth fighting. The shirt sucks. To get into a semantical argument over whether or not it's racist isn't really the point.

 

Well I was trying to figure out whether the person who designed it was just stupid, or if he/she was really trying to attack the race. Intent means something to me when trying to determine that. I totally agree the end result is crappy either way. Worse -- a guy like Brennaman can point to this and go "see? Cub fans really are the worst." I don't like being painted with a broad brush, even by a jerk like Marty.

[ArthurVandalay]

Anybody know where to find audio of Brenneman cussing out Brantley live on the radio this afternoon? I just heard a replay of it on XM. Hilarious!

"DON'T YOU DARE CHALLENGE ME ON THE AIR AGAIN!"

[Andy]

Anybody know where to find audio of Brenneman cussing out Brantley live on the radio this afternoon? I just heard a replay of it on XM. Hilarious!

"DON'T YOU DARE CHALLENGE ME ON THE AIR AGAIN!"

Good lord, he's going senile.

[VanceJergins]

Anybody know where to find audio of Brenneman cussing out Brantley live on the radio this afternoon? I just heard a replay of it on XM. Hilarious!

"DON'T YOU DARE CHALLENGE ME ON THE AIR AGAIN!"

 

More info please

[Bote McBoteface]

........those Fukudome Tshirts are not meant to be racist.

 

 

Oh, when I put this I hadn't actually seen the T-shirts. I just assumed that it was racist in the same way that Resident Evil 5 is "racist." (meaning not racist at all)

 

 

That shirt, however, is clearly offensive. I take back what I said.

[Soul]

The posting of this new Brennaman tirade needs to be top priorty, clearly. I can't find it on google.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

how is that cute? i know it's hilarious but it's still racist.

 

I know I'm playing semantics, but it isn't racist. It's stereotypical and insensitive, but it doesn't espouse the idea that races have different abilities and some races are more valuable than others.

 

xenophobic, maybe?

[Soul]

 

how is that cute? i know it's hilarious but it's still racist.

 

I know I'm playing semantics, but it isn't racist. It's stereotypical and insensitive, but it doesn't espouse the idea that races have different abilities and some races are more valuable than others.

 

xenophobic, maybe?

 

After seeing it for myself, certainly idiotic.

[bhogg]

I heard the Brenneman / Brantley thing today, too. What a classy guy.

 

I can't find a link, but here's the compact version:

 

 

Marty: there's a ball

 

Jeff: no, strike

 

Marty: F this, F that, Don't you dare challenge me

 

Marty: (leaves booth)

 

Jeff: annouces game (I'm not sure how long, or if Marty came back to the booth).

 

 

So the guy lumps all cub fans into the "obnoxious" category, then curses his color guy on air. Why will I not be surprised to see nothing happen to Marty (other than the Reds getting him a new color guy)?

[Soul]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that audio won't be showing up on http://www.cincinnatireds.com

[chuckywang]

I heard the Brenneman / Brantley thing today, too. What a classy guy.

 

I can't find a link, but here's the compact version:

 

 

Marty: there's a ball

 

Jeff: no, strike

 

Marty: F this, F that, Don't you dare challenge me

 

Marty: (leaves booth)

 

Jeff: annouces game (I'm not sure how long, or if Marty came back to the booth).

 

So the guy lumps all cub fans into the "obnoxious" category, then curses his color guy on air. Why will I not be surprised to see nothing happen to Marty (other than the Reds getting him a new color guy)?

 

Wow, that's gotta be awkward later on.

[Jon]

I looked a bit this morning for a soundclip but came up empty. Does anyone know at what point in the game it happened? Maybe someone with Gameday audio can help us out.

 

I listened to a few games against the Cubs that Marty called on the radio back in 2003 or so. He has no other mode but bitter, whether it's about the opposing team, the umpires, or the Reds themselves.

[Soul]

Maybe it's not showing up anywhere because people in Cincy realize it's par for the course for Marty, I.E. just another day in the booth.

[Hornbuckle]

I can’t take it anymore, between you guys and the callers on sports radio I have to vent.

 

If I hear one more person point out that “EVERY TEAM HAS IT’S DRUNK FANS! Blah, blah, blah.”

 

Yeah. We get it. And it’s true, but that’s not the point… you know what? Every team also has guys that’s hit a home run. That doesn’t mean that every team has a HR hitting line-up.

 

The point is that you find MORE drunk idiots at Wrigley field than you do at most ballparks. It’s about percentages, and probability. You think with as many stat-heads as there are on this site that you would get that. With the proper sample size, I’m sure you’ll find that there are MORE. No stadium is void of drunk morons. They DO all have them. But it’s not fair to go to one game in say, Cleveland, and see one drunk moron and determine that the bleachers there are as bad as Wrigley’s. There’s a higher percentage of drunk meat-heads at Wrigley and you’re more probable to run into them, and I always do.

 

Face it, Wrigley is the perfect magnet for these morons. It’s a novelty. It’s a beautiful, historic park in a great neighborhood with a ton of bars and the prices to go to a game and sit in the bleachers are high enough to alienate the family demographic. Instead, it attracts that 25 year-old 75K per year consultant frat-guy (I was in one, by the way, so I’m not knocking it, I just know) demographic who think their entitled to whatever they want to do. And a significant percentage of those people aren’t there for the game – they are there to drink, to pick up, and baseball is an afterthought. It’s only a bonus if the cubs are winning. Yeah – of course they’ll act like they’re into the game and claim that they’re “die hard” but then you start talking to them and you find out that they grew up a fan of another MLB team, went to a Big Ten school, and then got a job in Chicago and now they’re a cubs fan. Because it’s the cool thing to do. And let’s not forget that many of these same guys and gals live right in the neighborhood or somewhere they can easily get to by bus or train where they don’t have to worry about driving home.

 

And then this argument about how “you should see Boston, Philly, and NY fans.” You know what, I have. And there are a lot of drunk, rude, offensive fans there too but again that’s not the only point. As offensive and drunky as it gets in those bleachers, do you HONESTLY believe that more games have been delayed in those parks from people throwing things on the field than there have been at Wrigley? Really? No, I don’t have any stats but I’d be willing to bet A LOT of money it hasn’t happened as much in any of those parks than in Wrigley. Again, there are too many fans in the bleachers that don’t care about the game and additionally don’t respect the game. They just think “Hey – that guy just threw something on the field because Dusty made an illegal double-switch. What’s a double switch anyway? I should do that too. That would be funny. And cool. There goes my beer cup.” And not to mention – those are all east coast teams – those fans are expected to be relatively rude. It’s part of the culture. When it’s all said and done, Philly, Boston, NY do have obnoxious fans too, but it’s a different type of obnoxious. At least, as a whole, they respect the game.

 

I live in Chicago and I love going to Wrigley. Don’t take it so personally. When the obnoxious, drunk, go-to-cubs-game-because-it’s-the-scene “fans” are mentioned, it doesn’t have to be about you specifically. Maybe no one on this board is the type of Wrigley frequenter that I’m talking about. In fact, I suppose it’s likely that you’re not. But just accept it – your team and that stadium attracts MORE drunk and obnoxious morons than most stadiums, and if you don’t believe that I believe the love for your team is blinding your vision and you’re using Brennaman’s “bitterness” as a cop out not to believe it.

 

Thanks for your time and of course you’ll disagree and take your shots at me, however I’m sure I’ll never be allowed rebut, or for that matter, ever be allowed to post here again. Oh well.

[XZero771679666304]

 

The point is that you find MORE drunk idiots at Wrigley field than you do at most ballparks. It’s about percentages, and probability. You think with as many stat-heads as there are on this site that you would get that. With the proper sample size, I’m sure you’ll find that there are MORE. No stadium is void of drunk morons. They DO all have them. But it’s not fair to go to one game in say, Cleveland, and see one drunk moron and determine that the bleachers there are as bad as Wrigley’s. There’s a higher percentage of drunk meat-heads at Wrigley and you’re more probable to run into them, and I always do.

 

Face it, Wrigley is the perfect magnet for these morons. It’s a novelty. It’s a beautiful, historic park in a great neighborhood with a ton of bars and the prices to go to a game and sit in the bleachers are high enough to alienate the family demographic. Instead, it attracts that 25 year-old 75K per year consultant frat-guy (I was in one, by the way, so I’m not knocking it, I just know) demographic who think their entitled to whatever they want to do. And a significant percentage of those people aren’t there for the game – they are there to drink, to pick up, and baseball is an afterthought. It’s only a bonus if the cubs are winning. Yeah – of course they’ll act like they’re into the game and claim that they’re “die hard” but then you start talking to them and you find out that they grew up a fan of another MLB team, went to a Big Ten school, and then got a job in Chicago and now they’re a cubs fan. Because it’s the cool thing to do. And let’s not forget that many of these same guys and gals live right in the neighborhood or somewhere they can easily get to by bus or train where they don’t have to worry about driving home.

 

Yeah, that's pretty much right on, except that bleacher tickets are relatively cheap (IMO). But that increases the number morons.

 

But just accept it – your team and that stadium attracts MORE drunk and obnoxious morons than most stadiums, and if you don’t believe that I believe the love for your team is blinding your vision and you’re using Brennaman’s “bitterness” as a cop out not to believe it.

 

I for one never said that Wrigley didn't attract a relatively large number of drunken tools, just that they were mostly relegated to the bleachers, and that most of the fans in the ballpark are all right. It's true - there are a lot more drunken asses in the Wrigley bleacher than there are in the entirety of most other ballparks.

 

However, Marty Brennaman obviously has some sort of deep seated and irrational hatred of the Cubs on top of that fact.

[WrigleyinEngland]

Just tuned in to check out all the wonderful fans at GAB but all i could see were red seats i thought there must be a rain delay but then i noticed people playing baseball. I guess if you have no fans then at least you can't have any obnoxious ones!!! :wink:

[Soul]

The point is that you find MORE drunk idiots at Wrigley field than you do at most ballparks. It’s about percentages, and probability. You think with as many stat-heads as there are on this site that you would get that.

 

Not going to take a "shot" at you, but I'm wondering who exactly you are talking to. For the most part I've heard people saying pretty much the exact same thing here. Wrigley HAS more fans, therefore there are more idiots. So I'm confused what is making you so upset.

 

And regardless of whether there are drunken idiots at Wrigley field, for a team's main broadcaster to flip out the way Marty did, and then the next day lay into his own color man, is both unseemly and unprofessional. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, as they say.

[CubinNY]

I can’t take it anymore, between you guys and the callers on sports radio I have to vent.

 

If I hear one more person point out that “EVERY TEAM HAS IT’S DRUNK FANS! Blah, blah, blah.”

 

Yeah. We get it. And it’s true, but that’s not the point… you know what? Every team also has guys that’s hit a home run. That doesn’t mean that every team has a HR hitting line-up.

 

The point is that you find MORE drunk idiots at Wrigley field than you do at most ballparks. It’s about percentages, and probability. You think with as many stat-heads as there are on this site that you would get that. With the proper sample size, I’m sure you’ll find that there are MORE. No stadium is void of drunk morons. They DO all have them. But it’s not fair to go to one game in say, Cleveland, and see one drunk moron and determine that the bleachers there are as bad as Wrigley’s. There’s a higher percentage of drunk meat-heads at Wrigley and you’re more probable to run into them, and I always do.

Surely you have data to back this opinion up?

[El Ridda]

The point is that you find MORE drunk idiots at Wrigley field than you do at most ballparks. It’s about percentages, and probability. You think with as many stat-heads as there are on this site that you would get that.

 

Not going to take a "shot" at you, but I'm wondering who exactly you are talking to. For the most part I've heard people saying pretty much the exact same thing here. Wrigley HAS more fans, therefore there are more idiots. So I'm confused what is making you so upset.

 

And regardless of whether there are drunken idiots at Wrigley field, for a team's main broadcaster to flip out the way Marty did, and then the next day lay into his own color man, is both unseemly and unprofessional. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, as they say.

 

 

I think it is more than Wrigley having MORE fans, thus more idiots. Rather, Wrigley has a younger fan base than most due to its location, and a drunker fan base than most, also due to its location (bars everywhere). All of these factors lead to the crazy atmosphere that is Wrigley. While this probably leads to a few more 'incidents' than you see at other parks, it also leads to the unrivaled electricity in the ball-park everyday. In the end, you take the good with the bad. Is the amazing energy in Wrigley worth a few very minor incidents a year?

 

I think the answer to that Q is a no-brainer. What fun would sports be if ever stadium was similar and boring, even if they are less prone to see balls being thrown onto the field or other such 'obnoxious' acts.

[FergieJ31]

I can’t take it anymore, between you guys and the callers on sports radio I have to vent.

 

If I hear one more person point out that “EVERY TEAM HAS IT’S DRUNK FANS! Blah, blah, blah.”

 

Yeah. We get it. And it’s true, but that’s not the point… you know what? Every team also has guys that’s hit a home run. That doesn’t mean that every team has a HR hitting line-up.

 

The point is that you find MORE drunk idiots at Wrigley field than you do at most ballparks. It’s about percentages, and probability. You think with as many stat-heads as there are on this site that you would get that. With the proper sample size, I’m sure you’ll find that there are MORE. No stadium is void of drunk morons. They DO all have them. But it’s not fair to go to one game in say, Cleveland, and see one drunk moron and determine that the bleachers there are as bad as Wrigley’s. There’s a higher percentage of drunk meat-heads at Wrigley and you’re more probable to run into them, and I always do.

Surely you have data to back this opinion up?

 

How on earth could he have data on this? Do they have a "drunk and idiot fans in attendance" stat somewhere on baseball-reference.com? C'mon.

[CubinNY]

I can’t take it anymore, between you guys and the callers on sports radio I have to vent.

 

If I hear one more person point out that “EVERY TEAM HAS IT’S DRUNK FANS! Blah, blah, blah.”

 

Yeah. We get it. And it’s true, but that’s not the point… you know what? Every team also has guys that’s hit a home run. That doesn’t mean that every team has a HR hitting line-up.

 

The point is that you find MORE drunk idiots at Wrigley field than you do at most ballparks. It’s about percentages, and probability. You think with as many stat-heads as there are on this site that you would get that. With the proper sample size, I’m sure you’ll find that there are MORE. No stadium is void of drunk morons. They DO all have them. But it’s not fair to go to one game in say, Cleveland, and see one drunk moron and determine that the bleachers there are as bad as Wrigley’s. There’s a higher percentage of drunk meat-heads at Wrigley and you’re more probable to run into them, and I always do.

Surely you have data to back this opinion up?

 

How on earth could he have data on this? Do they have a "drunk and idiot fans in attendance" stat somewhere on baseball-reference.com? C'mon.

And that's the point. Wrigley is no better or worse than any other ball park that has a large attendance (or most that have a small one).

 

If one doesn't like drunk idiots, the best option is to stay away from places that drunk idiots populate. To state in unequivocal terms that Wrigley is terrible compared to other ballparks is pretty asinine.

[Garage Party]

And regardless of whether there are drunken idiots at Wrigley field, for a team's main broadcaster to flip out the way Marty did, and then the next day lay into his own color man, is both unseemly and unprofessional. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, as they say.

or throw Steve Stone.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Thanks for your time and of course you’ll disagree and take your shots at me, however I’m sure I’ll never be allowed rebut, or for that matter, ever be allowed to post here again. Oh well.

 

Careful getting down from that cross.

 

It doesn't sound like you're an unbiased source here. I can't dispute what you said, because it's all a person's opinion. You wouldn't expect Cubs fans to have an accurate opinion of White Sox fans would you?

 

And, I'll usually be the last person to back up some of the tools at Cubs games.(See my rant titled the 4 people you meet at Cubs games.) The throwing all the balls on the field was stupid. Throwing trash on the field in the past was stupid. But this type of obnoxious tool behavior DOES happen everywhere. And at a pretty similar ratio. As CubinNY alluded to, you can't claim that us who rely on stats so heavily in baseball should be able to realize the ratio is greater, and then use your anecdotal evidence to prove it.

 

It's flat out an opinion, and there's no way to prove it. Brennamen's biased, he's a Reds announcer and a senile old coot. We're biased, we're Cubs fans. You're biased, you're a Sox fan(I think) Oh well.

[Hacking Out Machine]

In my opinion, the thing that bothers me is people like Marty Brennaman's inability to remember that there is a big difference between "Cubs fans" and the people who show up at Wrigley Field and sit in the bleachers.. Instead of saying "Cubs fans are the most obnoxious...." He should say,"The general public that shows up at Wrigley Field for night and Saturday games...." I'd be willing to bet(as others have posted before) that Wrigley contains the largest number of "tourists" or people not even from Chicago of any park in the country with the possible exception of Fenway, and I'd doubt that even Fenway is close.

 

For the record, "Cubs fans" are the 5,000-10,000 or so people you'll find for any Cubs series in places like Colorado, or Cincinnati or Atlanta, or wherever. I'll never forget Turner Field in '03, when Game 5 of the NLDS was pretty much turned into a home game.

[reds44]

Maybe it's not showing up anywhere because people in Cincy realize it's par for the course for Marty, I.E. just another day in the booth.

Basically. Marty really is just a grumpy old man in the booth right now. Nothing surprises me. Every once in awhile his hall of fame self shows up, though.