Re: Cubs on verge of signing Lieber

[abuck1220]

seriously, i don't like marquis or dempster, but i'd rather have either of them than lieber.

[Lefty]

I am not arguing for Maddux now, just that his 2 1/2 year performance with us was the averageness we now crave.

[ThePenguin11]

Isn't it bad if we sign Lieber for more than it would have cost to take Prior to arbitration? (i.e. $3.5MM+) Especially with the amount of options we have in Gallagher, Marshall, Marquis, etc.

 

Don't get me totally wrong, in this situation, I'm in favor of signing Lieber for the quasi-hometown-discount-reclamation-project discount...but it seems kinda backwards to do this when the easy solution might have been to tell Prior to suck it up for a year and take what an arbitor awards him with.

[WrigleyinEngland]

At least during the cold months Lou won't wear out the turf asking Dempster and Marquis to throw strikes. It's not like we're talking about the final piece in the puzzle at $3.5 Mill i think he's worth the risk.

[SouthSideRyan]

seriously, i don't like marquis or dempster, but i'd rather have either of them than lieber.

 

Why? Why is it so upsetting to everyone to get 100 innings of league average production from the 5 spot as opposed to 200 innings of below average production?

 

And hasn't been healthy in years? He was hurt last year, the year before he made 27 starts, he's not Kerry Wood(as a starter)

Edited January 16, 2008 by SouthSideRyan

[WrigleyinEngland]

BTW $4 Mill buys you Jason Kendall these days...........

[Post Count Padder]

I like Lieber. And he's probably still better than Dempster and MArquis.

[abuck1220]

seriously, i don't like marquis or dempster, but i'd rather have either of them than lieber.

 

Why? Why is it so upsetting to everyone to get 100 innings of league average production from the 5 spot as opposed to 200 innings of below average production?

 

seriously? where are the other 100 innings that lieber can't go coming from?

 

also, i don't think it's written in stone that a fat, oft-injured, 38 year old lieber is league average.

[Peoriaman]

seems like a reasonable gamble to me

[UMFan83]

seriously, i don't like marquis or dempster, but i'd rather have either of them than lieber.

 

Why? Why is it so upsetting to everyone to get 100 innings of league average production from the 5 spot as opposed to 200 innings of below average production?

 

seriously? where are the other 100 innings that lieber can't go coming from?

 

also, i don't think it's written in stone that a fat, oft-injured, 38 year old lieber is league average.

 

Gallagher? Marshall? Hart?

[CubinNY]

Isn't it bad if we sign Lieber for more than it would have cost to take Prior to arbitration? (i.e. $3.5MM+) Especially with the amount of options we have in Gallagher, Marshall, Marquis, etc.

 

Don't get me totally wrong, in this situation, I'm in favor of signing Lieber for the quasi-hometown-discount-reclamation-project discount...but it seems kinda backwards to do this when the easy solution might have been to tell Prior to suck it up for a year and take what an arbitor awards him with.

 

Aside from the "I'm in favor of signing Lieber", this post is right on the money.

[pitchcs]

seriously, i don't like marquis or dempster, but i'd rather have either of them than lieber.

 

Why? Why is it so upsetting to everyone to get 100 innings of league average production from the 5 spot as opposed to 200 innings of below average production?

 

seriously? where are the other 100 innings that lieber can't go coming from?

 

also, i don't think it's written in stone that a fat, oft-injured, 38 year old lieber is league average.

 

Probably not average, but #5's don't have to be.

[ThePenguin11]

Isn't it bad if we sign Lieber for more than it would have cost to take Prior to arbitration? (i.e. $3.5MM+) Especially with the amount of options we have in Gallagher, Marshall, Marquis, etc.

 

Don't get me totally wrong, in this situation, I'm in favor of signing Lieber for the quasi-hometown-discount-reclamation-project discount...but it seems kinda backwards to do this when the easy solution might have been to tell Prior to suck it up for a year and take what an arbitor awards him with.

 

Aside from the "I'm in favor of signing Lieber", this post is right on the money.

 

I should clarify that I'm in favor of signing him in the range of $2MM + incentives.

[abuck1220]

seriously, i don't like marquis or dempster, but i'd rather have either of them than lieber.

 

Why? Why is it so upsetting to everyone to get 100 innings of league average production from the 5 spot as opposed to 200 innings of below average production?

 

seriously? where are the other 100 innings that lieber can't go coming from?

 

also, i don't think it's written in stone that a fat, oft-injured, 38 year old lieber is league average.

 

Gallagher? Marshall? Hart?

 

and are those guys going to be league average or better?

 

you can't just say 100 average innings is better than 200 below average innings without taking into consideration the necessary 100 innings in the first scenario are probably going to be below average.

[HoopsCubs]

Here's what Rosenthal wrote:

 

"The signing of Lieber could signal a trade of right-hander Jason Marquis or the return of righty Ryan Dempster to the bullpen. Lieber will be in the Cubs' rotation, sources say; otherwise, he would have signed with another club."

 

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it sure sounds like Lieber is not competing for a spot in the rotation, rather, he has been guaranteed a spot in the rotation. So, that must mean some transaction is in the works.

 

By the way, Kerry Wood is probably thrilled with this. My recollection is that he, Jon and Tapani were very close.

[CubbieSouthpaw II]

alright, i resigned to strapping myself in for this one

 

Oh lord I feel another headache coming. ](*,)

[nilodnayr]

Isn't it bad if we sign Lieber for more than it would have cost to take Prior to arbitration? (i.e. $3.5MM+) Especially with the amount of options we have in Gallagher, Marshall, Marquis, etc.

 

Don't get me totally wrong, in this situation, I'm in favor of signing Lieber for the quasi-hometown-discount-reclamation-project discount...but it seems kinda backwards to do this when the easy solution might have been to tell Prior to suck it up for a year and take what an arbitor awards him with.

 

Aside from the "I'm in favor of signing Lieber", this post is right on the money.

 

Unless the cubs didn't believe Prior could pitch in the majors in 08.

[jersey cubs fan]

Here's what Rosenthal wrote:

 

"The signing of Lieber could signal a trade of right-hander Jason Marquis or the return of righty Ryan Dempster to the bullpen. Lieber will be in the Cubs' rotation, sources say; otherwise, he would have signed with another club."

 

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it sure sounds like Lieber is not competing for a spot in the rotation, rather, he has been guaranteed a spot in the rotation. So, that must mean some transaction is in the works.

 

By the way, Kerry Wood is probably thrilled with this. My recollection is that he, Jon and Tapani were very close.

 

Yeah, if they gave him any real money, he's not competing for anything. He's got the spot. Hopefully they trade Marquis and/or Dempster.

[UMFan83]

Isn't it bad if we sign Lieber for more than it would have cost to take Prior to arbitration? (i.e. $3.5MM+) Especially with the amount of options we have in Gallagher, Marshall, Marquis, etc.

 

Don't get me totally wrong, in this situation, I'm in favor of signing Lieber for the quasi-hometown-discount-reclamation-project discount...but it seems kinda backwards to do this when the easy solution might have been to tell Prior to suck it up for a year and take what an arbitor awards him with.

 

Aside from the "I'm in favor of signing Lieber", this post is right on the money.

 

So you'd rather have Prior sign for the same amount so that he can rehab until August, give us 2 months at most of pitching (for the first time in over 2 years mind you) and then let him go for nothing?

[UMFan83]

Isn't it bad if we sign Lieber for more than it would have cost to take Prior to arbitration? (i.e. $3.5MM+) Especially with the amount of options we have in Gallagher, Marshall, Marquis, etc.

 

Don't get me totally wrong, in this situation, I'm in favor of signing Lieber for the quasi-hometown-discount-reclamation-project discount...but it seems kinda backwards to do this when the easy solution might have been to tell Prior to suck it up for a year and take what an arbitor awards him with.

 

Aside from the "I'm in favor of signing Lieber", this post is right on the money.

 

Unless the cubs didn't believe Prior could pitch in the majors in 08.

 

And if so, they wouldn't have been the only team that thought that way from what I read.

[anabiono]

alright, i resigned to strapping myself in for this one

 

Oh lord I feel another headache coming. ](*,)

 

 

so...this still means that marquis is our 4 guy?

 

yikes...

 

relax...just relax...relax... <------------this is just me calming myself down

[Post Count Padder]

Here's what Rosenthal wrote:

 

"The signing of Lieber could signal a trade of right-hander Jason Marquis or the return of righty Ryan Dempster to the bullpen. Lieber will be in the Cubs' rotation, sources say; otherwise, he would have signed with another club."

 

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it sure sounds like Lieber is not competing for a spot in the rotation, rather, he has been guaranteed a spot in the rotation. So, that must mean some transaction is in the works.

 

By the way, Kerry Wood is probably thrilled with this. My recollection is that he, Jon and Tapani were very close.

 

Yeah, if they gave him any real money, he's not competing for anything. He's got the spot. Hopefully they trade Marquis and/or Dempster.

Yeah, I like this idea.

[jersey cubs fan]

Isn't it bad if we sign Lieber for more than it would have cost to take Prior to arbitration? (i.e. $3.5MM+) Especially with the amount of options we have in Gallagher, Marshall, Marquis, etc.

 

Don't get me totally wrong, in this situation, I'm in favor of signing Lieber for the quasi-hometown-discount-reclamation-project discount...but it seems kinda backwards to do this when the easy solution might have been to tell Prior to suck it up for a year and take what an arbitor awards him with.

 

Aside from the "I'm in favor of signing Lieber", this post is right on the money.

 

So you'd rather have Prior sign for the same amount so that he can rehab until August, give us 2 months at most of pitching (for the first time in over 2 years mind you) and then let him go for nothing?

 

Yes, I would always prefer to the outside chance for greatness over hoping some out of shape old mediocre pitcher can hang in there for most of the season.

[anabiono]

Here's what Rosenthal wrote:

 

"The signing of Lieber could signal a trade of right-hander Jason Marquis or the return of righty Ryan Dempster to the bullpen. Lieber will be in the Cubs' rotation, sources say; otherwise, he would have signed with another club."

 

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it sure sounds like Lieber is not competing for a spot in the rotation, rather, he has been guaranteed a spot in the rotation. So, that must mean some transaction is in the works.

 

By the way, Kerry Wood is probably thrilled with this. My recollection is that he, Jon and Tapani were very close.

 

Yeah, if they gave him any real money, he's not competing for anything. He's got the spot. Hopefully they trade Marquis and/or Dempster.

 

 

marquis and dempster both in a package for burnett!?!?

 

[abuck1220]

they're obviously trading hill for marlon byrd.