NSBB Mock NFL Draft: Vance (Cowboys)

[rawaction]

FWIW, I love the last 4 picks in this mock. Think all are good picks for the teams they would be going to.

[dew1679666265]

I didn't say I rule it out, I just said, it's doubtful they go for a RB in the first rd. People forget that could be Holmgren's last yr in Seattle, so he may put all of his eggs into the basket. I don't see taking a RB (who won't see much of the field, for a majority of the yr) helps the Seahawks or Holmgren out at all. I see them either trading the pick (either up or down) or taking a WR.

 

I guess I was going off this quote from you too much.

 

You can check RB off Seattle's list of needs for the Draft.

 

You did mention previously you doubted they would take a tailback, but you sounded fairly adamant they wouldn't.

 

My argument is that passing game isn't good enough to have two mediocre (at best) running backs - Julius Jones and TJ Duckett - and one injury prone tailback - Alexander - as the only options. Wide receiver and tailback are likely the greatest needs for the Seahawks and either will help them this year.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Giants don't have any glaring needs, but could use some depth on defense. They also might need a little help at WR. While the secondary is potentially the biggest defensive question, the players still available don't exactly scream out to be taken here. So, with the last pick in the first round, the New York Giants select, LB, Jerod Mayo, Tennessee.

[Post Count Padder]

Man, we breezed through that first round. So, are we going with 2 rounds or 3?

[cubweiser03]

I read an article that claimed at least 8 teams have taken Talib completely off of their board due to character issues. Didnt specify what flaw(s) they were referring to though.

[Derwood]

so no one here thinks Dan Connor is a first rounder, eh?

[jersey cubs fan]

so no one here thinks Dan Connor is a first rounder, eh?

 

The fact that he wasn't taken in this first round only indicates that the people who made the picks didn't think he was worthy of the pick they had, not that "no one here thinks he is a first round." Personally I think he's a step below Mayo.

[Derwood]

so no one here thinks Dan Connor is a first rounder, eh?

 

The fact that he wasn't taken in this first round only indicates that the people who made the picks didn't think he was worthy of the pick they had, not that "no one here thinks he is a first round." Personally I think he's a step below Mayo.

 

i don't think he's the best LB in the country. i don't even know where the "experts" rank him.

 

having watched him play for 4 years, I think he was very good, but maybe not a 1st rounder. He broke Paul Poszluzny's tackles record at PSU, but he seems to lack the intensity that Paul has. I fear he'll be drafted in the early 2nd round and spend a few years on special teams

[Flames24Rulz]

I read an article that claimed at least 8 teams have taken Talib completely off of their board due to character issues. Didnt specify what flaw(s) they were referring to though.

 

He admitted that he's used the green stuff.

[TruffleShuffle]

I read an article that claimed at least 8 teams have taken Talib completely off of their board due to character issues. Didnt specify what flaw(s) they were referring to though.

 

He admitted that he's used the green stuff.

 

sounds like a perfect fit for the cowboys then

[rawaction]

I read an article that claimed at least 8 teams have taken Talib completely off of their board due to character issues. Didnt specify what flaw(s) they were referring to though.

 

He admitted that he's used the green stuff.

 

Talib is overrated. I still think the best CB in the draft will turn out to be Antoine Cason. He doesn't have the flash of Rodgers-Cromartie, didn't have the big game on the big stage like Talib, doesn't have the intrigue of McKelvin, doesn't have the speed of Jenkins....but he was, IMO, consistently the best CB playing college football week-to-week last year. (Granted never saw Mckelvin or DRC play).

[Warpticon]

The Miami Dolphins have a number of needs...interior defensive line, another linebacker, a shut-down type DB. But their most glaring position of need is the lack of a franchise type quarterback. With Ronnie Brown's health issues, and the GM's love of the player, RB Felix Jones was a temptation. But in the end, The Miami Dolphins select QB Andre Woodson, Kentucky, with the first pick of the second round.

[reggiemiller rules]

With the loss of Bruce and Holt getting older the Rams need a WR so with the 2nd pick of round 2 the Rams select Malcolm Kelly WR from Oklahoma

[Post Count Padder]

so no one here thinks Dan Connor is a first rounder, eh?

I think he's suffering a Poz-like fall. He'll probably go in the early 2nd round, but he has all the talent to be a great NFL LB.

[Flames24Rulz]

The Miami Dolphins have a number of needs...interior defensive line, another linebacker, a shut-down type DB. But their most glaring position of need is the lack of a franchise type quarterback. With Ronnie Brown's health issues, and the GM's love of the player, RB Felix Jones was a temptation. But in the end, The Miami Dolphins select QB Andre Woodson, Kentucky, with the first pick of the second round.

 

Well there goes one of my 2nd round picks :x

[mhuber92211]

I think Stewart makes even more sense for the Seahawks because he is not going to be available until the 2nd half of the season at best.

 

Think about '09 when they will have a 1st round pick and a 1st round running back already in the fold that learned the system all the previous year.

 

The Seahawks are talented enough right now to get to the NFC title game without the draft. This is not going to be Holmgren's draft anyway, it will be Mora's. They will likely go for a LT to develop for Jones too but basically this draft is for development and depth. Look for them to take a QB in round 3 if someone drops that far.

[Guest]

First Round

 

1 Miami Dolphins - Warpticon - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

2 St. Louis Rams - reggiemiller rules - Chris Long, DE, Virginia

3 Atlanta Falcons - The Golden Thunder - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

4 Oakland Raiders - soccer10k - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St

5 Kansas City Chiefs - PingHitter - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC

6 New York Jets - BHogg - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

7 New England Patriots (From 49ers) - GoCubsGo! - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State

8 Baltimore Ravens - b_wiggy_66 - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

9 Cincinnati Bengals - Rocket - Keith Rivers, LB, USC

10 New Orleans Saints - OleMissCub - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St

11 Buffalo Bills - PingHitter - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy

12 Denver Broncos - MPC - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh

13 Carolina Panthers - Andy - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois

14 Chicago Bears - CaliforniaRaisin et al - Brandon Albert, OL, Virginia

15 Detroit Lions - Cubweiser - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida

16 Arizona Cardinals - Flames24Rulz Michael Jenkins, CB, USF

17 Minnesota Vikings - PriorPower - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami

18 Houston Texans - Rawaction - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

19 Philadelphia Eagles - TruffleShuffle - Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (FL)

20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - reds44 - Rawaction Jackson, WR, UC Berkeley

21 Washington Redskins - Handlebar McSkullet - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

22 Dallas Cowboys (From Browns) - vance_the_cubs_fan - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan St

23 Pittsburgh Steelers - AI - Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College

24 Tennessee Titans - dew - James Hardy, WR, Indiana

25 Seattle Seahawks - mhuber92211 - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

26 Jacksonville Jaguars - Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn

27 San Diego Chargers - CaliforniaRaisin - Sam Baker, OT, USC

28 Dallas Cowboys - vance_the_cubs_fan - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

29 San Francisco 49ers (From Colts) - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville

30 Green Bay Packers - Flames24Rulz - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech

31 New York Giants - jersey cubs fan - Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee

 

Second Round

 

1 (32) Miami Dolphins -- warpticon - Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky

2 (33) St. Louis Rams -- reggiemiller rules - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma

3 (34) Atlanta Falcons -- The Golden Thunder - on the clock

4 (35) Kansas City Chiefs -- PingHitter

5 (36) New York Jets -- BHogg

6 (37) Atlanta Falcons -- The Golden Thunder

7 (38) Baltimore Ravens -- b_wiggy_66

8 (39) San Francisco 49ers -- TruffleShuffle

9 (40) New Orleans Saints -- OleMissCub

10 (41) Buffalo Bills -- PingHitter

11 (42) Denver Broncos -- MPC

12 (43) Carolina Panthers -- Andy

13 (44) Chicago Bears -- CaliforniaRaisin et al

14 (45) Detroit Lions -- cubweiser

15 (46) Cincinnati Bengals -- Rocket

16 (47) Minnesota Vikings -- PriorPower

17 (48) Atlanta Falcons -- The Golden Thunder (he's gonna be busy)

18 (49) Philadelphia Eagles -- TruffleShuffle

19 (50) Arizona Cardinals -- Flames24Rulz

20 (51) Washington Redskins -- Handlebar McSkullet

21 (52) Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- reds44

22 (53) Pittsburgh Steelers -- AI

23 (54) Tennessee Titans -- dew

24 (55) Seattle Seahawks -- mhuber92211

25 (56) Green Bay Packers -- Flames24Rulz

26 (57) Miami Dolphins -- Warpticon

27 (58) Jacksonville Jaguars -- CroMagnon

28 (59) Indianapolis Colts -- CubColtPacer

29 (60) Green Bay Packers -- Flames24Rulz

30 (61) Dallas Cowboys -- vance_the_cubs_fan

31 (62) New England Patriots -- GoCubsGo!

32 (63) New York Giants -- jersey cubs fan

[RedFlash]

I think Stewart makes even more sense for the Seahawks because he is not going to be available until the 2nd half of the season at best.

 

Think about '09 when they will have a 1st round pick and a 1st round running back already in the fold that learned the system all the previous year.

 

The Seahawks are talented enough right now to get to the NFC title game without the draft. This is not going to be Holmgren's draft anyway, it will be Mora's. They will likely go for a LT to develop for Jones too but basically this draft is for development and depth. Look for them to take a QB in round 3 if someone drops that far.

 

Even tho I like Stewart, and the possibility of taking a talented, but PR move RB like Stewart doesn't really improve their team. There looking at a 1st rder who will contribute for the WHOLE season. And had Seattle only signed either Jones or Duckett, then yeah, I could see Seattle popping for Stewart, but the fact that they put out good money for 2 rbs, makes taking a RB in the first like their 10th most pressing need for the draft. I see Seattle either taking a WR, or trading the pick (up or down).

 

Besides, I personally think, he's injury causing him to "free-fall" in the draft is a smokescreen. I personally believe Stewart will go higher then some are saying. I say Stewart will either go to the Cards at 16, or the Texans at 18.

 

And with the strong rumors that Seattle really likes Brandon Albert, and really wants to jump Pittsburgh to get him, it wouldn't surprise me if Seattle and Chicago make a deal that would include the Seattle's 1st/2nd/4th for the Bears 1st/6th.

[shnsajax]

Chad Johnson today claiming he wants a trade before the draft. Not that its going to affect this.

[mhuber92211]

 

Even tho I like Stewart, and the possibility of taking a talented, but PR move RB like Stewart doesn't really improve their team. There looking at a 1st rder who will contribute for the WHOLE season. And had Seattle only signed either Jones or Duckett, then yeah, I could see Seattle popping for Stewart, but the fact that they put out good money for 2 rbs, makes taking a RB in the first like their 10th most pressing need for the draft. I see Seattle either taking a WR, or trading the pick (up or down).

 

Besides, I personally think, he's injury causing him to "free-fall" in the draft is a smokescreen. I personally believe Stewart will go higher then some are saying. I say Stewart will either go to the Cards at 16, or the Texans at 18.

 

And with the strong rumors that Seattle really likes Brandon Albert, and really wants to jump Pittsburgh to get him, it wouldn't surprise me if Seattle and Chicago make a deal that would include the Seattle's 1st/2nd/4th for the Bears 1st/6th.

 

I think that you are forgetting that Jones & Duckett are 1 year deals. Stewart this year makes them better for '09.

 

And there is NO way that deal happens. Ruskell is too conservative and too good at evaluating talent to give up that many opportunities. Especially since the club is getting older and depth & development is needed to keep going.

[Flames24Rulz]

I think Stewart makes even more sense for the Seahawks because he is not going to be available until the 2nd half of the season at best.

 

Think about '09 when they will have a 1st round pick and a 1st round running back already in the fold that learned the system all the previous year.

 

The Seahawks are talented enough right now to get to the NFC title game without the draft. This is not going to be Holmgren's draft anyway, it will be Mora's. They will likely go for a LT to develop for Jones too but basically this draft is for development and depth. Look for them to take a QB in round 3 if someone drops that far.

 

Even tho I like Stewart, and the possibility of taking a talented, but PR move RB like Stewart doesn't really improve their team. There looking at a 1st rder who will contribute for the WHOLE season. And had Seattle only signed either Jones or Duckett, then yeah, I could see Seattle popping for Stewart, but the fact that they put out good money for 2 rbs, makes taking a RB in the first like their 10th most pressing need for the draft. I see Seattle either taking a WR, or trading the pick (up or down).

 

Besides, I personally think, he's injury causing him to "free-fall" in the draft is a smokescreen. I personally believe Stewart will go higher then some are saying. I say Stewart will either go to the Cards at 16, or the Texans at 18.

 

And with the strong rumors that Seattle really likes Brandon Albert, and really wants to jump Pittsburgh to get him, it wouldn't surprise me if Seattle and Chicago make a deal that would include the Seattle's 1st/2nd/4th for the Bears 1st/6th.

 

A 1st, 2nd, and 4th and all they get in return would be a 1st and 6th? That would never, ever happen.

[CubColtPacer]

I think Stewart makes even more sense for the Seahawks because he is not going to be available until the 2nd half of the season at best.

 

Think about '09 when they will have a 1st round pick and a 1st round running back already in the fold that learned the system all the previous year.

 

The Seahawks are talented enough right now to get to the NFC title game without the draft. This is not going to be Holmgren's draft anyway, it will be Mora's. They will likely go for a LT to develop for Jones too but basically this draft is for development and depth. Look for them to take a QB in round 3 if someone drops that far.

 

Even tho I like Stewart, and the possibility of taking a talented, but PR move RB like Stewart doesn't really improve their team. There looking at a 1st rder who will contribute for the WHOLE season. And had Seattle only signed either Jones or Duckett, then yeah, I could see Seattle popping for Stewart, but the fact that they put out good money for 2 rbs, makes taking a RB in the first like their 10th most pressing need for the draft. I see Seattle either taking a WR, or trading the pick (up or down).

 

Besides, I personally think, he's injury causing him to "free-fall" in the draft is a smokescreen. I personally believe Stewart will go higher then some are saying. I say Stewart will either go to the Cards at 16, or the Texans at 18.

 

And with the strong rumors that Seattle really likes Brandon Albert, and really wants to jump Pittsburgh to get him, it wouldn't surprise me if Seattle and Chicago make a deal that would include the Seattle's 1st/2nd/4th for the Bears 1st/6th.

 

A 1st, 2nd, and 4th and all they get in return would be a 1st and 6th? That would never, ever happen.

 

Why not? That sort of deal happens all the time, and that's what it would take for Seattle to be able to move up from 25th to 14th. I don't have the exact pick numbers for both teams in front of me after the first round, but taking a quick look at the draft value chart where the picks would approximately be that's almost exactly equal value.

[cubweiser03]

A new draft value chart. This chart is taken into account the high cost of the top picks more and thus assigning less value than before.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/

 

Old Chart.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

 

New draft chart says the bears would not get Seattle's 4th.

[RedFlash]

I didn't say I rule it out, I just said, it's doubtful they go for a RB in the first rd. People forget that could be Holmgren's last yr in Seattle, so he may put all of his eggs into the basket. I don't see taking a RB (who won't see much of the field, for a majority of the yr) helps the Seahawks or Holmgren out at all. I see them either trading the pick (either up or down) or taking a WR.

 

I guess I was going off this quote from you too much.

 

You can check RB off Seattle's list of needs for the Draft.

 

You did mention previously you doubted they would take a tailback, but you sounded fairly adamant they wouldn't.

 

My argument is that passing game isn't good enough to have two mediocre (at best) running backs - Julius Jones and TJ Duckett - and one injury prone tailback - Alexander - as the only options. Wide receiver and tailback are likely the greatest needs for the Seahawks and either will help them this year.

 

I agree with your point. But teams picking where the Hawks, are looking for players who can step in and contribute almost immediately. And that is something Stewart wouldn't be in Seattle. He would essentially be "red-shirted" (for the lack of a better term). I still say Seattle trades up or down, over taking Stewart.

[RedFlash]

 

A 1st, 2nd, and 4th and all they get in return would be a 1st and 6th? That would never, ever happen.

 

Why because you say so?

 

In the 2007 Draft trades:

 

What about New York Jets: Acquire picks No. 14 (selected CB Darrelle Revis) and No. 191 (6th round).

Carolina Panthers: Acquire picks No. 25 (selected LB Jon Beason), No. 59 (selected C Ryan Kalil) and No. 164 (fifth round)

 

or

Dallas Cowboys: Acquire pick No. 26 (selected DE Anthony Spencer).

Philadelphia: Acquire picks No. 36 (selected QB Kevin Kolb), No. 87 (selected OLB Stewart Bradley), No. 159.

 

or

San Diego Chargers: Acquire pick No. 37 (selected S Eric Weddle).

Chicago Bears: Acquire picks No. 62, No. 93, No. 167 and a third-round pick in the 2008 draft.

 

or how about this 2002 NFL Draft pick trade:

Dallas traded its first-round (No. 6) choice to Kansas City for the Chiefs first- (No. 8), third- (No. 75) and 2003 sixth-round draft choices

 

Washington traded its first-round (No. 21) selection to New England for the Patriots first- (No. 32), third- (No. 96) and seventh-round (No. 234) choices.

 

These are similar trades to the one I proposed? Are you sure my idea would "never, ever happen?" :read: