WSCR Rumor?

[abuck1220]

I can't believe this is still going on.

 

The best part is that I have yet to see CCF offer one piece of evidence or support for his claim/opinion. I could be wrong, though.

 

You guys are right and I'm wrong. What more is there to say?

 

 

I want you, just once, to support your claim in some way other than some blanket statement about it being your opinion. Is that a lot to ask?

 

Wait a minute. Opinions must be supported by facts or stats now? Wow, I'm totally out of the loop.

 

yeah, good opinions usually are.

[abuck1220]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

[minnesotacubsfan]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

 

your experience as a baseball fan doenst qualify you to "prove him wrong" with statistics either.

[BigbadB]

I can't believe this is still going on.

 

The best part is that I have yet to see CCF offer one piece of evidence or support for his claim/opinion. I could be wrong, though.

 

You guys are right and I'm wrong. What more is there to say?

 

 

I want you, just once, to support your claim in some way other than some blanket statement about it being your opinion. Is that a lot to ask?

 

Wait a minute. Opinions must be supported by facts or stats now? Wow, I'm totally out of the loop.

 

yeah, good opinions usually are.

 

Well, I'm glad you said that. Because I'd like to see some facts or stats to back up what I am assuming is your opinion that "good opinions usually are". :wink:

[CubColtPacer]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

 

He has seen plenty of pitchers lose it on the mound, and has a greater idea than the average fan of what little things to look for to get an indication of that. Sure, professionals lose it a lot less than high schoolers. If you know a person, that also makes it easier to tell, and obviously Cuse doesn't know Prior. Body language experts would tell you that doesn't matter all that much though. There are many traits that all people do in similar situations if you know what you're looking for, and Cuse has seen examples of it so many times that he has a better chance of noticing a little detail than almost anyone else.

 

So yes, I do believe his profession gives him an edge on noticing something like this. Right now I disagree with him, but his opinion is not absurd.

[David]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

 

your experience as a baseball fan doenst qualify you to "prove him wrong" with statistics either.

 

Totally random and irrelevant.

[jyoung55]

::Vince Lombardi Voice:: What's going on out here?!? ::/Vince Lombardi Voice::

 

Can we change the title so people who want to catch up on rumors rather than participate in the fundamental argument between traditional baseball types and stat heads don't visit this thread to look for any news about transaction rumors???

[abuck1220]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

 

your experience as a baseball fan doenst qualify you to "prove him wrong" with statistics either.

 

well, that makes no sense.

 

i've never claimed my experience as a baseball fan proves him wrong. the stats, which have nothing to do with me, do a fine job of that.

[abuck1220]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

 

He has seen plenty of pitchers lose it on the mound, and has a greater idea than the average fan of what little things to look for to get an indication of that. Sure, professionals lose it a lot less than high schoolers. If you know a person, that also makes it easier to tell, and obviously Cuse doesn't know Prior. Body language experts would tell you that doesn't matter all that much though. There are many traits that all people do in similar situations if you know what you're looking for, and Cuse has seen examples of it so many times that he has a better chance of noticing a little detail than almost anyone else.

 

So yes, I do believe his profession gives him an edge on noticing something like this. Right now I disagree with him, but his opinion is not absurd.

 

high schools pitchers have about zero in common with major league pitchers. come on.

[rocket]

 

Backseat modding is about the lamest thing you can do.

 

your right IMB, it is lame. I should mold my personallity after the greatest poster of all time, you, because you never have had a post that was anything but respectful and enlightened, and you never get old to other posters. IMB for sainthood!

 

 

But to get back to my question, and it is a serious question, isnt Soccer's post an arguement against the idea of a choke artist?

 

imb's not the greatest poster of all time. meph is.

[imb]

 

Backseat modding is about the lamest thing you can do.

 

your right IMB, it is lame. I should mold my personallity after the greatest poster of all time, you, because you never have had a post that was anything but respectful and enlightened, and you never get old to other posters. IMB for sainthood!

 

 

But to get back to my question, and it is a serious question, isnt Soccer's post an arguement against the idea of a choke artist?

 

imb's not the greatest poster of all time. meph is.

 

I believe that Vance won the tourney here, fella.

[OleMissCub]

LD%, what the hell is that?

[Keener98]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

 

He has seen plenty of pitchers lose it on the mound, and has a greater idea than the average fan of what little things to look for to get an indication of that. Sure, professionals lose it a lot less than high schoolers. If you know a person, that also makes it easier to tell, and obviously Cuse doesn't know Prior. Body language experts would tell you that doesn't matter all that much though. There are many traits that all people do in similar situations if you know what you're looking for, and Cuse has seen examples of it so many times that he has a better chance of noticing a little detail than almost anyone else.

 

So yes, I do believe his profession gives him an edge on noticing something like this. Right now I disagree with him, but his opinion is not absurd.

 

high schools pitchers have about zero in common with major league pitchers. come on.

 

Exactly.

[Guest]

LD%, what the hell is that?

 

Line Drive percentage.

[CuseCubFan69]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

 

He has seen plenty of pitchers lose it on the mound, and has a greater idea than the average fan of what little things to look for to get an indication of that. Sure, professionals lose it a lot less than high schoolers. If you know a person, that also makes it easier to tell, and obviously Cuse doesn't know Prior. Body language experts would tell you that doesn't matter all that much though. There are many traits that all people do in similar situations if you know what you're looking for, and Cuse has seen examples of it so many times that he has a better chance of noticing a little detail than almost anyone else.

 

So yes, I do believe his profession gives him an edge on noticing something like this. Right now I disagree with him, but his opinion is not absurd.

 

high schools pitchers have about zero in common with major league pitchers. come on.

 

Exactly.

 

Right. MLB and colleges get their numbers that are projected by PECOTA and Bill James when players are little leaguers and draft them by using those.

[OleMissCub]

LD%, what the hell is that?

 

Line Drive percentage.

 

Is that a real stat?

[Chocolate Milk]

LD%, what the hell is that?

 

Line Drive percentage.

 

Is that a real stat?

No, it's a fake stat.

[Rob]

LD%, what the hell is that?

 

Line Drive percentage.

 

Is that a real stat?

 

Yeah.

 

It's right in there with ground ball percentage and fly ball percentage... which a lot of people look at.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Backseat modding is about the lamest thing you can do.

 

your right IMB, it is lame. I should mold my personallity after the greatest poster of all time, you, because you never have had a post that was anything but respectful and enlightened, and you never get old to other posters. IMB for sainthood!

 

 

But to get back to my question, and it is a serious question, isnt Soccer's post an arguement against the idea of a choke artist?

 

imb's not the greatest poster of all time. meph is.

 

I believe that Vance won the tourney here, fella.

 

Yeah, but I got named in the Mitchell report for using posting enhancing drugs... 8-[

[Guest]

 

Backseat modding is about the lamest thing you can do.

 

your right IMB, it is lame. I should mold my personallity after the greatest poster of all time, you, because you never have had a post that was anything but respectful and enlightened, and you never get old to other posters. IMB for sainthood!

 

 

But to get back to my question, and it is a serious question, isnt Soccer's post an arguement against the idea of a choke artist?

 

imb's not the greatest poster of all time. meph is.

 

I believe that Vance won the tourney here, fella.

 

Yeah, but I got named in the Mitchell report for using posting enhancing drugs... 8-[

I thought that was Yeti...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Backseat modding is about the lamest thing you can do.

 

your right IMB, it is lame. I should mold my personallity after the greatest poster of all time, you, because you never have had a post that was anything but respectful and enlightened, and you never get old to other posters. IMB for sainthood!

 

 

But to get back to my question, and it is a serious question, isnt Soccer's post an arguement against the idea of a choke artist?

 

imb's not the greatest poster of all time. meph is.

 

I believe that Vance won the tourney here, fella.

 

Yeah, but I got named in the Mitchell report for using posting enhancing drugs... 8-[

I thought that was Yeti...

 

Why does everyone want me to name my supplier!!!

[imb]

 

Backseat modding is about the lamest thing you can do.

 

your right IMB, it is lame. I should mold my personallity after the greatest poster of all time, you, because you never have had a post that was anything but respectful and enlightened, and you never get old to other posters. IMB for sainthood!

 

 

But to get back to my question, and it is a serious question, isnt Soccer's post an arguement against the idea of a choke artist?

 

imb's not the greatest poster of all time. meph is.

 

I believe that Vance won the tourney here, fella.

 

Yeah, but I got named in the Mitchell report for using posting enhancing drugs... 8-[

I thought that was Yeti...

 

Why does everyone want me to name my supplier!!!

 

The problem is, we don't know who was and who wasn't on PED's (posting enhancing drugs). Therefore we must assume an equal posting ground.

[abuck1220]

BTW, I happen to disagree with Cuse on the overall point, but his experience gives his opinion added respect IMO.

 

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me.

 

He has seen plenty of pitchers lose it on the mound, and has a greater idea than the average fan of what little things to look for to get an indication of that. Sure, professionals lose it a lot less than high schoolers. If you know a person, that also makes it easier to tell, and obviously Cuse doesn't know Prior. Body language experts would tell you that doesn't matter all that much though. There are many traits that all people do in similar situations if you know what you're looking for, and Cuse has seen examples of it so many times that he has a better chance of noticing a little detail than almost anyone else.

 

So yes, I do believe his profession gives him an edge on noticing something like this. Right now I disagree with him, but his opinion is not absurd.

 

high schools pitchers have about zero in common with major league pitchers. come on.

 

Exactly.

 

Right. MLB and colleges get their numbers that are projected by PECOTA and Bill James when players are little leaguers and draft them by using those.

 

how many major leaguers have you coached?

[VanceJergins]

LD%, what the hell is that?

 

Line Drive percentage.

 

Is that a real stat?

 

Yeah.

 

It's right in there with ground ball percentage and fly ball percentage... which a lot of people look at.

 

But wouldn't it have to be pretty subjective. At what degree does a line drive become a fly ball? Or how high off the ground does a hard hit grounder have to be to be a line drive? Stats are meaningless, just judge all players on tools and grit.

[David]

That post has an odd mix of legitimate points/questions and sarcasm.