Cubs Trade for Tim Lahey (1st pick in Rule 5 draft)

[BigbadB]

I thought the picks were by worst record...did the Cubs trade to move up? Can you trade to move up?

Picks are traded frequentl. Don't forget the Cubs drafted and traded Josh Hamilton last year. A few years earlier the Orioles drafted Luke Hagerty from the Cubs, then traded him to the Marlins (who eventually returned him to the Cubs).

 

The Royals drafted that MIT player the Cubs had (name escapes me now) and he was traded to the Padres. That was about 4 years ago.

[Rob]

That was Jason Szuminski (sp?) back in 2004, I think.

[Guest]

That was Jason Szuminski (sp?) back in 2004, I think.

 

Correct spelling. Technically he was drafted/traded in 2003 and played with the Padres in 2004.

[Guest]

I am disappointed, but it really seems like a Hendry pick, a big strapping hoss of a pitcher who gets groundball outs? Are you kidding? That's about as Jim Hendry as a raw, speedy outfielder who has the promise for power, gets a 5 tool label, but in reality strikes out a ton and never walks.

 

At the end of the year I don't want to see one of the guys we picked doing well elsewhere. I thought Barton, Bierd, or Fernando Hernandez (the short guy from the White Sox) would've been good picks. All right Jim, let's see what these scouts know.

 

ITI makes it sound like it was Wilken's guy: http://cubs.scout.com/2/708978.html

 

Also:

 

"He’s anywhere from 90 to 95 with a pretty good slider, decent changeup,” Wilken said of Lahey. “He’s only been pitching for two years. He’s supposed to have a pretty good sinker. He pitched pretty well in Double-A for a guy that was only in his second full year. He’s a good-sized guy (6-foot-5, 250 pounds).

 

“Hopefully, we can keep him.”

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He also said the Cubs weren’t concerned with Lahey’s lack of experience above Double-A. Lahey made only two appearances with Minnesota's Triple-A club.

 

“It basically did not (concern us),” said Wilken. “There’s been a lot of guys in the history of this game that jumped from Double-A to the major leagues.”

[Magnetic Curses]

this makes total sense. a project that hendry and wilken think they can make into the best pitcher in the league--briefly, they're outthinking themselves again.

 

that's what they do best. up their own butts in conventional wisdom of the grizzled scout.

[CuseCubFan69]

this makes total sense. a project that hendry and wilken think they can make into the best pitcher in the league--briefly, they're outthinking themselves again.

 

that's what they do best. up their own butts in conventional wisdom of the grizzled scout.

 

I'm just trying to think how the Twins got Santana...hmmm, let me think.

[pitchcs]

I haven't read much about this acquisition but I would be amazed if this guy sticks here.

[BigbadB]

this makes total sense. a project that hendry and wilken think they can make into the best pitcher in the league--briefly, they're outthinking themselves again.

 

that's what they do best. up their own butts in conventional wisdom of the grizzled scout.

 

I'm just trying to think how the Twins got Santana...hmmm, let me think.

 

I'm just trying to remember if every Rule 5 pitcher ever drafted ended up being equal to or closely equal to Santana in skill. :wink:

[Guest]

1. Rays select RHP Tim Lahey from the Twins, and then trade him to the Cubs. Lahey was a star catcher at Princeton, but he only lasted one year behind the plate before being moved to the mound, as his tremendous power was rendered valueless by a complete inability to make contact. On the mound, it’s been a different story. Lahey is absolutely massive at 6'5” and 250 pounds, and he get a good downward plane on his splitter, which is his primary offering and gives him an excellent ground-ball ratio.

Chances To Stick: It would have been better with the Rays, where nearly any carbon-based life form would have a chance to make the bullpen, but even with the Cubs he could mop up here and there and develop into a decent middle reliever, but little more.

 

- Kevin Goldstein

[BigbadB]

Wow. He is a big boy. No wonder he ended up making the switch.

[badnews]

I am not surprised, Wilken and Hendry seem to share similar views on certain types of guys.

[CuseCubFan69]

this makes total sense. a project that hendry and wilken think they can make into the best pitcher in the league--briefly, they're outthinking themselves again.

 

that's what they do best. up their own butts in conventional wisdom of the grizzled scout.

 

I'm just trying to think how the Twins got Santana...hmmm, let me think.

 

I'm just trying to remember if every Rule 5 pitcher ever drafted ended up being equal to or closely equal to Santana in skill. :wink:

 

Maybe not but Hamilton seemed to work out nicely as well. :-"

[Guest]

this makes total sense. a project that hendry and wilken think they can make into the best pitcher in the league--briefly, they're outthinking themselves again.

 

that's what they do best. up their own butts in conventional wisdom of the grizzled scout.

 

I'm just trying to think how the Twins got Santana...hmmm, let me think.

 

I'm just trying to remember if every Rule 5 pitcher ever drafted ended up being equal to or closely equal to Santana in skill. :wink:

 

Maybe not but Hamilton seemed to work out nicely as well. :-"

 

Roberto Clemente worked out even better.

[Post Count Padder]

1. Rays select RHP Tim Lahey from the Twins, and then trade him to the Cubs. Lahey was a star catcher at Princeton, but he only lasted one year behind the plate before being moved to the mound, as his tremendous power was rendered valueless by a complete inability to make contact. On the mound, it’s been a different story. Lahey is absolutely massive at 6'5” and 250 pounds, and he get a good downward plane on his splitter, which is his primary offering and gives him an excellent ground-ball ratio.

Chances To Stick: It would have been better with the Rays, where nearly any carbon-based life form would have a chance to make the bullpen, but even with the Cubs he could mop up here and there and develop into a decent middle reliever, but little more.

 

- Kevin Goldstein

Big kid.

[UK1679666180]

Sounds similar to Jason Wylie before the arm injuries.

[CubinNY]

Sounds similar to Jason Wylie before the arm injuries.

Take off some weight, add some speed and various injuries, and put him in RF and he sounds like Ryan Harvey to me.

[SweetZombieJesus]

this makes total sense. a project that hendry and wilken think they can make into the best pitcher in the league--briefly, they're outthinking themselves again.

 

that's what they do best. up their own butts in conventional wisdom of the grizzled scout.

 

I'm just trying to think how the Twins got Santana...hmmm, let me think.

 

I'm just trying to remember if every Rule 5 pitcher ever drafted ended up being equal to or closely equal to Santana in skill. :wink:

 

Maybe not but Hamilton seemed to work out nicely as well. :-"

 

Roberto Clemente worked out even better.

 

Wasn't Bobby Abreu a Rule V guy? Or was he just an expansion draft guy?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wasn't Bobby Abreu a Rule V guy? Or was he just an expansion draft guy?

 

Expansion draft. Kevin Stocker for Abreu, makes me laugh every time.

[St.Paul Cub]

I finally got a chance to talk to the Twins beatwriter at the Bears-Saints game. He said the guy is huge and throws really hard. He said he was very raw, but he could be a decent pitcher in a few years.

 

Nothing overly new, but I thought i'd throw this out there since it's pretty slow right now.

[Post Count Padder]

I finally got a chance to talk to the Twins beatwriter at the Bears-Saints game. He said the guy is huge and throws really hard. He said he was very raw, but he could be a decent pitcher in a few years.

 

Nothing overly new, but I thought i'd throw this out there since it's pretty slow right now.

All well and good, but unless he's gonna break his arm and spend the season on the DL, picking him was pointless if he won't be effective for a few more years.

[Guest]

I finally got a chance to talk to the Twins beatwriter at the Bears-Saints game. He said the guy is huge and throws really hard. He said he was very raw, but he could be a decent pitcher in a few years.

 

Nothing overly new, but I thought i'd throw this out there since it's pretty slow right now.

All well and good, but unless he's gonna break his arm and spend the season on the DL, picking him was pointless if he won't be effective for a few more years.

 

If he spends the season on the DL, he'd just have to stick with the big league squad next season. If you can stash a player away on your roster and he turns into something good, I don't see how it's pointless.

[jersey cubs fan]

I finally got a chance to talk to the Twins beatwriter at the Bears-Saints game. He said the guy is huge and throws really hard. He said he was very raw, but he could be a decent pitcher in a few years.

 

Nothing overly new, but I thought i'd throw this out there since it's pretty slow right now.

All well and good, but unless he's gonna break his arm and spend the season on the DL, picking him was pointless if he won't be effective for a few more years.

 

If he spends the season on the DL, he'd just have to stick with the big league squad next season. If you can stash a player away on your roster and he turns into something good, I don't see how it's pointless.

 

I think the point was the Cubs can't stash a guy who might become effective in a few years.

 

Could be decent in a few years suggests he will suck in the meantime. Unless you don't mind losing 80-90 games, or have a great enough staff that one hack at the back isn't an issue, you can't really hide stiffs for a year. The guy has to be useful immediately, or get injured and then be useful immediately after that, in order for the Cubs to keep him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't see how this guy sticks.

[wvcbxl]

I don't see how this guy sticks.

 

He may not have to.

If the Cubs like what they see in ST, they could try and work out a deal with the Twins.

[Tedward]

I don't see how this guy sticks.

 

He may not have to.

If the Cubs like what they see in ST, they could try and work out a deal with the Twins.

 

It it comes down to that, hopefully we do a better job than the last time we were faced with this type of situation. IIRC, we ended up coughing up Eric Hinske to Billy Beane for a guy that ended up doing nothing for us.