College Football - Championship Week

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Washington up on Hawaii 7-0. Washington is trying to take the Rainbow Warriors out of the running.

[bukie]

Have to say, as an Illini fan, I really was only hoping for one of these outcomes, not all of them.

[CubColtPacer]

Screw the bowl selection process. Two teams we beat on neutral fields getting at larges instead of us, I hate sports.

 

It probably won't make you feel any better, but at least those schools just aren't getting picked ahead of you. Kansas will probably get up to #4 in the BCS which will give them an automatic bid, and that shuts Missouri out of consideration. I agree with you though that if they put the 10 teams with the strongest resumes in Missouri would be there.

[Keener98]

Have to say, as an Illini fan, I really was only hoping for one of these outcomes, not all of them.

 

Well Im still not sure what this means for the Illini. Herbstreit was trying to say the Rose would take Georgia so I dont know.

[Guest]

I'm starting to hate Hawaii too.

[snoodmonger]

Shocking

 

Ohio State sucks. I'd argue they're the worst team of all the conference champions.

 

You'd be wrong. I don't think they are as talented as Oklahoma, LSU, or USC, but could beat any on any given day. Ohio St. has the most quality loss of the group and were the most consistent team of the group.

 

 

Exactly. Its not like OSU was barely getting by these "weak" teams. They dominated every non conference opponent, and didnt allow more than 17 points to anybody besides U of I. They dominated basically everybody on their schedule.

 

You could say the same about KU, except OSU's loss was to a worse team. I'm not advocating KU. I'm saying tOSU doesn't have a great resume.

Edited December 2, 2007 by snoodmonger

[Outshined_One]

Exactly. Its not like OSU was barely getting by these "weak" teams. They dominated every non conference opponent, and didnt allow more than 17 points to anybody besides U of I. They dominated basically everybody on their schedule.

 

OSU's non-conference schedule:

 

Youngstown State

Akron

@Washington

Kent State

 

Washington is 4-8, with its four wins coming against Syracuse, Boise State, Stanford, and Cal. You cannot make a serious case for the other three being anything more than organizational fodder for the Buckeyes.

[Soul]

Now Washington is threatening to go up 2 TDs on Hawaii.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

TD Washington!

[Keener98]

Exactly. Its not like OSU was barely getting by these "weak" teams. They dominated every non conference opponent, and didnt allow more than 17 points to anybody besides U of I. They dominated basically everybody on their schedule.

 

OSU's non-conference schedule:

 

Youngstown State

Akron

@Washington

Kent State

 

Washington is 4-8, with its four wins coming against Syracuse, Boise State, Stanford, and Cal. You cannot make a serious case for the other three being anything more than organizational fodder for the Buckeyes.

 

Like I said you would have an argument if any of those teams were even really in the game with OSU, but they werent. OSU's D dominated them all, and dominated everybody besides U of I. OSU's D can keep them in any game they play plain and simple.

[Keener98]

Shocking

 

Ohio State sucks. I'd argue they're the worst team of all the conference champions.

 

You'd be wrong. I don't think they are as talented as Oklahoma, LSU, or USC, but could beat any on any given day. Ohio St. has the most quality loss of the group and were the most consistent team of the group.

 

 

Exactly. Its not like OSU was barely getting by these "weak" teams. They dominated every non conference opponent, and didnt allow more than 17 points to anybody besides U of I. They dominated basically everybody on their schedule.

 

You could say the same about KU, except OSU's loss was to a worse team. I'm not advocating KU. I'm saying tOSU doesn't have a great resume.

 

OSU's loss was to a team that was within 7 points of the team that beat KU.

[snoodmonger]

Shocking

 

Ohio State sucks. I'd argue they're the worst team of all the conference champions.

 

You'd be wrong. I don't think they are as talented as Oklahoma, LSU, or USC, but could beat any on any given day. Ohio St. has the most quality loss of the group and were the most consistent team of the group.

 

 

Exactly. Its not like OSU was barely getting by these "weak" teams. They dominated every non conference opponent, and didnt allow more than 17 points to anybody besides U of I. They dominated basically everybody on their schedule.

 

You could say the same about KU, except OSU's loss was to a worse team. I'm not advocating KU. I'm saying tOSU doesn't have a great resume.

 

OSU's loss was to a team that was within 7 points of the team that beat KU.

 

 

Right. OSU lost to Illinois. KU lost to Mizzou. Mizzou is the "better loss."

[Outshined_One]

Like I said you would have an argument if any of those teams were even really in the game with OSU, but they werent. OSU's D dominated them all, and dominated everybody besides U of I. OSU's D can keep them in any game they play plain and simple.

 

Washington is the only team on there that I think would be likely to beat some of the lower echelon teams in the Big 10. Those other three teams are complete and utter jokes. I don't see how you can make a good argument for OSU's defense because they smacked around two of the worst teams in the MAC and the third best team in the Gateway Conference.

[Soul]

Shocking

 

Ohio State sucks. I'd argue they're the worst team of all the conference champions.

 

You'd be wrong. I don't think they are as talented as Oklahoma, LSU, or USC, but could beat any on any given day. Ohio St. has the most quality loss of the group and were the most consistent team of the group.

 

 

Exactly. Its not like OSU was barely getting by these "weak" teams. They dominated every non conference opponent, and didnt allow more than 17 points to anybody besides U of I. They dominated basically everybody on their schedule.

 

You could say the same about KU, except OSU's loss was to a worse team. I'm not advocating KU. I'm saying tOSU doesn't have a great resume.

 

OSU's loss was to a team that was within 7 points of the team that beat KU.

 

Plus, let's not pretend that Big 10 schools are the only ones who schedule fodder games.

 

WVU had Western Mich, Marshall, and East Carolina. I don't see anyone slinging mud at them for it. And they aren't alone, either. This is standard practice for many, many big schools.

[Keener98]

Shocking

 

Ohio State sucks. I'd argue they're the worst team of all the conference champions.

 

You'd be wrong. I don't think they are as talented as Oklahoma, LSU, or USC, but could beat any on any given day. Ohio St. has the most quality loss of the group and were the most consistent team of the group.

 

 

Exactly. Its not like OSU was barely getting by these "weak" teams. They dominated every non conference opponent, and didnt allow more than 17 points to anybody besides U of I. They dominated basically everybody on their schedule.

 

You could say the same about KU, except OSU's loss was to a worse team. I'm not advocating KU. I'm saying tOSU doesn't have a great resume.

 

OSU's loss was to a team that was within 7 points of the team that beat KU.

 

 

Right. OSU lost to Illinois. KU lost to Mizzou. Mizzou is the "better loss."

 

Right but its not like its a big "better loss". Hell we could all sit here and argue this till we turn blue because there are so many teams that look damn near identical.

[B]

I'm late to this thread since I've been at work. How much hell would be raised if Georgia makes the NC over LSU?

[bukie]

So, BCS picture:

 

Conference champions:

- Ohio State

- West Virginia

- LSU

- USC

- Virginia Tech

- Oklahoma

 

At-large possibilities:

- Georgia/Florida

- Kansas/Missouri

- Hawaii

- Arizona State

- Illinois

- Clemson

 

Basically, 4 spots available for 6 teams. If Georgia and/or Kansas finish in the top 4, they are automatically guaranteed a BCS spot. If Hawaii finishes in the top 12, they are guaranteed a BCS spot.

 

If I were able to ignore current rankings and start over based on who deserves what, I would probably go like the following:

 

1. OSU - They were simply the most consistent team this year, and only struggled in 2 games.

2. USC - Also only struggled in 2 games, but happened to lose both.

3. LSU - Lost 2 games in 3 OT each.

4. Oklahoma - Won a tough conference, had 2 serious mental lapses

5. Georgia - Possibly even playing better than LSU right now, but didn't even play in the conference championship

6. West Virginia - Different team without White

7. Missouri - Had a good run, but not better than OK

8. Virginia Tech - Probably the weakest conference champion, blown out by LSU

9. Kansas - Put up some impressive scores on some weak teams, really wish they would've played the stronger B-12 teams.

10. Florida - Impressive offensively, tough schedule, definitely the best of the 3-loss teams.

11. Hawaii - Still undefeated, at least for the next couple hours, only impressive win was against Boise State

12. Arizona State - Tied USC in a very competitive Pac-10, but completely outclassed by USC and looks worse now than earlier in the year

13. Illinois - Hey, they can go to the Rose Bowl! Hard to say they really looked impressive in most of their wins, although it's easy to look impressive against Syracuse, Minnesota and Northwestern. But hey, best win of the whole group by beating OSU in OSU.

14. Clemson - Not even the best team in their own division, here mostly by attrition.

Edited December 2, 2007 by bukie

[Outshined_One]

I'm late to this thread since I've been at work. How much hell would be raised if Georgia makes the NC over LSU?

 

A heck of a lot of hell.

 

Seriously, whoever gets chosen to be the #2 team, there will be a lot of complaints from a number of fans from a number of schools.

[Keener98]

Like I said you would have an argument if any of those teams were even really in the game with OSU, but they werent. OSU's D dominated them all, and dominated everybody besides U of I. OSU's D can keep them in any game they play plain and simple.

 

Washington is the only team on there that I think would be likely to beat some of the lower echelon teams in the Big 10. Those other three teams are complete and utter jokes. I don't see how you can make a good argument for OSU's defense because they smacked around two of the worst teams in the MAC and the third best team in the Gateway Conference.

 

Because that D also went on the rest of the year to only allow more than 17 points 1 time. Their D is damn good. And its not like it was only their D that dominated, they averaged over 30 points a game also. I understand the Big Ten was down, but OSU basically dominated every game they played minus U of I and Mich State.

[Sosa21MVP]

hawaii is a joke

[Guest]

I'm late to this thread since I've been at work. How much hell would be raised if Georgia makes the NC over LSU?

 

A heck of a lot of hell.

 

Seriously, whoever gets chosen to be the #2 team, there will be a lot of complaints from a number of fans from a number of schools.

 

This is pretty much a nightmare scenario for the BCS. At least if one of Missouri or WVU would have won, there would be no debate.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm late to this thread since I've been at work. How much hell would be raised if Georgia makes the NC over LSU?

 

Not anything that hasn't been heard before when other teams have done the same thing. Personally, I don't really care about the conference champion label. LSU had 2 conference losses, Georgia had 2 conference losses. The fact that LSU played in the easier division doesn't mean in my mind that they should be given more consideration. Now if you say that LSU had the better resume, that is a different story, but I'm not sure that can be proven.

Edited December 2, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[Soul]

Washington is a lower-tier Pac-10 team, and right now they look like they're in another league from Hawaii. Even Locker looks to be just plain faster than anyone on Hawaii's defense.

[Outshined_One]

This is turning into a laugher in a hurry.

[wekse]

Hawai'i now down 21-0 with 5 min. left in the 1st.