The Kobe thread (Formerly Kobe to be traded by Oct 30)

[Banedon]

I have a feeling this is gonna go down today. My guess would be Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas, and Khryapa. The salaries won't match unless Hinrich or Wallace are included. Kobe said he wants to play with Wallace and the Lakers would prefer Hinrich over Wallace. I did the trade on ESPN's Trade Machine and the only way the salary would work is if Khryapa and Thomas (instead of Noah) were included.

 

Starting lineup of Thabo, Kobe, Deng, Noc/Smith/Noah/Gray, Wallace wouldn't be too bad. Duhon (who sucks) and whoever doesn't start at PF off the bench.

 

It would be a lot easier to do a deal after Dec. 15th (when Noc and/or Joe Smith can be included).

 

That way, a more realistic trade of Noc, Gordon, Thomas (or Noah), and filler would work.

 

Yeah I don't think anything's gonna happen today.

[Soul]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

 

Gordon OR Deng, not both. If it's both, I'm going to throw things, stomp my feet, and generally act like a sissy. :P

 

So no change in demeanor for you then...got it...

 

I kid I kid!!! :D

 

:lol:

[David]

I have a feeling this is gonna go down today. My guess would be Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas, and Khryapa. The salaries won't match unless Hinrich or Wallace are included. Kobe said he wants to play with Wallace and the Lakers would prefer Hinrich over Wallace. I did the trade on ESPN's Trade Machine and the only way the salary would work is if Khryapa and Thomas (instead of Noah) were included.

 

Starting lineup of Thabo, Kobe, Deng, Noc/Smith/Noah/Gray, Wallace wouldn't be too bad. Duhon (who sucks) and whoever doesn't start at PF off the bench.

 

It would be a lot easier to do a deal after Dec. 15th (when Noc and/or Joe Smith can be included).

 

That way, a more realistic trade of Noc, Gordon, Thomas (or Noah), and filler would work.

 

There's a way to do it without giving up Hinrich or Wallace and without waiting until Dec 15th, but it would involve a pretty good gutting of the bench.

 

It would be Gordon, Thomas/Noah (either one would work), Duhon, Thabo, Khryapa, and Griffin for Kobe.

 

Those two deals would work in terms of salaries.

 

Now, the roster would be pretty gutted. It would look something like..

 

PG - Hinrich, Curry

SG - Bryant, Gardner

SF - Deng, Nocioni

PF - Thomas/Noah, Smith

C - Wallace, Gray

 

It should be noted that (I believe) we can, to some extent, deal with the depth issues in the offseason with the MLE.

[ChiCubsFan]

I have a feeling this is gonna go down today. My guess would be Hinrich, Gordon, Thomas, and Khryapa. The salaries won't match unless Hinrich or Wallace are included. Kobe said he wants to play with Wallace and the Lakers would prefer Hinrich over Wallace. I did the trade on ESPN's Trade Machine and the only way the salary would work is if Khryapa and Thomas (instead of Noah) were included.

 

Starting lineup of Thabo, Kobe, Deng, Noc/Smith/Noah/Gray, Wallace wouldn't be too bad. Duhon (who sucks) and whoever doesn't start at PF off the bench.

 

It would be a lot easier to do a deal after Dec. 15th (when Noc and/or Joe Smith can be included).

 

That way, a more realistic trade of Noc, Gordon, Thomas (or Noah), and filler would work.

 

There's a way to do it without giving up Hinrich or Wallace and without waiting until Dec 15th, but it would involve a pretty good gutting of the bench.

 

It would be Gordon, Thomas/Noah (either one would work), Duhon, Thabo, Khryapa, and Griffin for Kobe.

 

Those two deals would work in terms of salaries.

 

Now, the roster would be pretty gutted. It would look something like..

 

PG - Hinrich, Curry

SG - Bryant, Gardner

SF - Deng, Nocioni

PF - Thomas/Noah, Smith

C - Wallace, Gray

 

It should be noted that (I believe) we can, to some extent, deal with the depth issues in the offseason with the MLE.

 

Yeah, that would gut the bench. I don't really mind losing any of them except for Thabo. Viktor and Duhon both have expiring contracts so I'm sure the Lakers wouldn't mind taking them back. Griffin still has 2 years left though...

[David]

 

Yeah, that would gut the bench. I don't really mind losing any of them except for Thabo. Viktor and Duhon both have expiring contracts so I'm sure the Lakers wouldn't mind taking them back. Griffin still has 2 years left though...

 

Same. Thabo is the only one of those players I mind losing. Hell, I'd die a happy man if I never saw Adrian Griffin suit up for the Bulls again. I was so happy we got rid of him the first time.

 

Anyway, the question is how well that team would do in the regular season with that little depth. They wouldn't be able to sustain a whole lot of injuries, and they'd probably lose a few games because of the bench.

 

In the playoffs, though, that bench matters a whole lot less. That starting lineup would likely take us very deep, possibly/probably into June.

[da bears]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

 

I really hope the Lakers panic and give Kobe to the Bulls for something less than they realistically should.

[Derwood]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

 

I really hope the Lakers panic and give Kobe to the Bulls for something less than they realistically should.

 

contracts, etc. it's just not that easy

[wolf stansson]

Everyone here is now convinced Kobe is gone as soon as possible. With his NTC, it seems like Chicago and Dallas are his only options and the Lakers won't trade with Dallas.

 

I really hope the Lakers panic and give Kobe to the Bulls for something less than they realistically should.

 

contracts, etc. it's just not that easy

It is that easy if they are dumb enough to get Ben Wallace involved.

[Mark_R]

The bench could be aided by a couple of guys like Juwan Howard or Chris Webber coming in at the league minimum thinking we'd have a great shot at a title in the East.

 

I'm in no way a big fan of those guys at their old salaries, but at the Vet minimum, they'd be very ideal.

[UMFan83]

Just waiting for this trade to go down. They have been speculating about it on the Score a ton today

[Mark_R]

I will mark out like a kid on christmas if we get Kobe.

 

Because I know we'll be robbing the Lakers.

[David]

Bucher was on ESPN saying the Bulls had been trying to work in a 3rd team, the Suns (w/Marion) to get the deal done. Apparently, that has fallen through.

 

Steve should be all about helping us out on this one, jeez.

[Soul]

If Pax is working with 3rd teams, then that must mean he's not willing to throw the whole roster at the Lakers.

 

I don't expect Pax to get fleeced in this thing.

[Flames24Rulz]

If it's going to happen, it's going to happen either today or tomorrow. And based on Phil's comments, the sooner he's traded, the better.

 

Kobe is also listed on the Lakers inactive list.

[David]

If Pax is working with 3rd teams, then that must mean he's not willing to throw the whole roster at the Lakers.

 

I don't expect Pax to get fleeced in this thing.

 

 

Paxson never had any intention of gutting this team in a Kobe trade. There's just no way. No reason to. The Bulls aren't in a position of need here. The Lakers are backed against a corner and it will only get worse the longer they wait.

 

As soon as Deng is extended, we'll have little to worry about in terms of him being traded.

 

I don't know why anyone is suggesting or worried about gutting the team. Look at what superstars have netted in return in trades. It's never anywhere near equal value.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If Pax is working with 3rd teams, then that must mean he's not willing to throw the whole roster at the Lakers.

 

I don't expect Pax to get fleeced in this thing.

 

I don't see how adding a 3rd team makes the amount the Bulls given up any less. They may be splitting the return between the Lakers and Suns, but they still have to give up what's deemed as "Kobe's value".

[David]

If it's going to happen, it's going to happen either today or tomorrow. And based on Phil's comments, the sooner he's traded, the better.

 

Kobe is also listed on the Lakers inactive list.

 

It can still happen after today or tomorrow... We just lose the option of sending PJ or Sweets in a sign-&-trade. We'd also lose roster flexibility since rosters have to be set once the season starts (in terms of either team having more than the max of players, less than the min, etc.). So, in that sense, it becomes quite a bit harder.

 

On the other hand, after Dec 15th, Nocioni (and Smith, for that matter) could be traded.

[David]

If Pax is working with 3rd teams, then that must mean he's not willing to throw the whole roster at the Lakers.

 

I don't expect Pax to get fleeced in this thing.

 

I don't see how adding a 3rd team makes the amount the Bulls given up any less. They may be splitting the return between the Lakers and Suns, but they still have to give up what's deemed as "Kobe's value".

 

It could if the 3rd team valued the Bulls offerings more highly than the Lakers do.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If Pax is working with 3rd teams, then that must mean he's not willing to throw the whole roster at the Lakers.

 

I don't expect Pax to get fleeced in this thing.

 

I don't see how adding a 3rd team makes the amount the Bulls given up any less. They may be splitting the return between the Lakers and Suns, but they still have to give up what's deemed as "Kobe's value".

 

It could if the 3rd team valued the Bulls offerings more highly than the Lakers do.

 

That's different than what Soul was saying, and even then I think it's unlikely that the difference in perceived value is enough to make much of a difference in what the return is.

[bukie]

If Pax is working with 3rd teams, then that must mean he's not willing to throw the whole roster at the Lakers.

 

I don't expect Pax to get fleeced in this thing.

 

I don't see how adding a 3rd team makes the amount the Bulls given up any less. They may be splitting the return between the Lakers and Suns, but they still have to give up what's deemed as "Kobe's value".

 

It could if the 3rd team valued the Bulls offerings more highly than the Lakers do.

 

That's different than what Soul was saying, and even then I think it's unlikely that the difference in perceived value is enough to make much of a difference in what the return is.

 

Certainly possible that the Lakers want a "name" player to replace Kobe, and the Bulls aren't willing to part with anyone that satisfies that condition (not to mention that Bryant would veto a trade that included what he thought was too much from the Bulls). Filtering a trade through a third team would allow the Bulls to include more unknown players that would have higher perceived value to a team that isn't looking for a specific name.

[David]

If Pax is working with 3rd teams, then that must mean he's not willing to throw the whole roster at the Lakers.

 

I don't expect Pax to get fleeced in this thing.

 

I don't see how adding a 3rd team makes the amount the Bulls given up any less. They may be splitting the return between the Lakers and Suns, but they still have to give up what's deemed as "Kobe's value".

 

It could if the 3rd team valued the Bulls offerings more highly than the Lakers do.

 

That's different than what Soul was saying, and even then I think it's unlikely that the difference in perceived value is enough to make much of a difference in what the return is.

 

There's a perception that LA might care about big household names and marketability more so than the actual value they'd be obtaining in the deal. The Bulls players aren't very "sexy." That could be (not saying it is) a factor, for whatever it's worth.

[David]

Once again I take too long to reply. Damn this actual work.

[bukie]

Once again I take too long to reply. Damn this actual work.

 

If it makes you feel better, you did say it in a more concise manner.

[Flames24Rulz]

Bucher is up next on ESPN with a rumored blockbuster concerning Kobe.

[Derwood]

anything??

 

also, i thought the opener was on national TV, but it's only on CSN Chicago :(