Lilly's reaction to the homer

[SouthSideRyan]

Play sports much in your lifetime?

 

Oh God, here we go...

 

Yes, "here we go" - anytime OMC has the gall to mention (or implie - something he barely did in this case) he played competitive sports someone engages in a personal attack against him.

 

That's probably what Ziggy was referring to, but I'm personally annoyed whenever somebody has a differing opinion and resorts to lines like "Have you ever played before?" "Do you watch the games?" Belittling crap like that gets you nowhere in a conversation, and is Joe Morganesque reasoning.

 

And as my previous post shows, I'm on OMC's side with regards to Lilly.

[Roast]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

 

uh yeah not really, i don't think anyone would give a crap.

 

Yeah, no kidding.

 

 

This is absolutely ridiculous. How can you guys actually expect someone who has probably more pressure on them than I could even imagine to react any different. Jesus, I mean you guys are actually trying to argue that because Lilly threw his glove that he DIDN'T care about the game or his teammates? That he cared more about himself!? Are you kidding me?

 

If he would have given up a solo shot, would you have seen that reaction? Hell no. Why? Because his team was still in the lead. But he didn't, he gave up a 3 run shot that, immediately after taking the lead, surrendered it right back to the opposing team.

 

Honestly, do you honestly think he stood up there and thought "Damnit, I just gave up a home run, now people are going to look at ME as less of a pitcher." Hell no, you can bet his thought process was "Damnit, I just gave up the lead."

 

Furthermore, how can you people actually expect him not to show emotion in a situation like that? In this country people accuse us of expecting too much from our athletes all the time; expecting them to be more-than-human. This is a perfect example of that. Lilly isn't a saint or a christ-figure. He is an average guy. And don't give me the "well he is paid X number of dollars to be more than that," bullcrap, I guarantee you money was the furthest thing from his mind at that instant. Lilly is just a regular guy who was pumped full of adrenaline, nervous, and in a tense moment. He acted like most people who really give a damn would.

 

Oh, and finally, its ridiculous the negativity you guys shot at OMC as soon as he asked if you'd ever played competitive sports. He wasn't saying "WELL I HAVE AND BLAH BLAH BLAH." He asked, because, if you haven't maybe it's harder for you to understand that mix of nerves and adrenaline. Besides, isn't that what we're SUPPOSED to do? Speak from experience rather than just mindlessly guessing?

 

I know from experience that no matter how controlled you set yourself up to be for any situation, when that mix of Adrenaline, Nerves, and a momentary failure are put together; a small outburst sometimes occurs.

[XZero771679666304]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

 

uh yeah not really, i don't think anyone would give a crap.

 

Nope. Not one iota of a damn.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Oh, and finally, its ridiculous the negativity you guys shot at OMC as soon as he asked if you'd ever played competitive sports. He wasn't saying "WELL I HAVE AND BLAH BLAH BLAH." He asked, because, if you haven't maybe it's harder for you to understand that mix of nerves and adrenaline. Besides, isn't that what we're SUPPOSED to do? Speak from experience rather than just mindlessly guessing?

 

To add to this point just a bit, extensive experience playing the game also softens reactions like Lilly's quite a bit. I'm sure we've all seen much worse so many times -- I didn't think twice about the glove throw. I've seen guys throw their glove out of the field of play and then casually stroll out to get it, mumbling and cussing the whole way. I've seen guys drop their equipment and walk off the field, never to return to the team.

 

Had this been game 2 of the season instead of game 2 of the LDS, this is more of an "issue".

[imb]

It was a pretty childish move, but I think people are just making a big deal about it because it was Lilly and he usually pitches with the expression of an accountant.

 

The OMC "have you ever even played sports" line pretty much made the thread though. Like a cornerback that jumps a route, he saw his chance and he took it to the house.

[ZiggyTaxi]

Play sports much in your lifetime?

 

Oh God, here we go...

 

Yes, "here we go" - anytime OMC has the gall to mention (or implie - something he barely did in this case) he played competitive sports someone engages in a personal attack against him.

 

That's probably what Ziggy was referring to, but I'm personally annoyed whenever somebody has a differing opinion and resorts to lines like "Have you ever played before?" "Do you watch the games?" Belittling crap like that gets you nowhere in a conversation, and is Joe Morganesque reasoning.

 

And as my previous post shows, I'm on OMC's side with regards to Lilly.

 

Thank you for summing up what I was talking about.

 

Edit: I should also make it clear, that my post was more in reference to the insane arguing that that line was most likely going to cause.

[CDBears1259]

It was a pretty childish move, but I think people are just making a big deal about it because it was Lilly and he usually pitches with the expression of an accountant.

 

The OMC "have you ever even played sports" line pretty much made the thread though. Like a cornerback that jumps a route, he saw his chance and he took it to the house.

I can sort of relate to OMC's experience and don't care that he tosses that type of line out there regularly, but this analogy made me LMAO.

 

Oh and I don't give a fig about Lilly's reaction. It was a heat of the moment thing. The extended over-analysis of this event is insane.

[JonnyRed]

That's the only emotion the Cubs has shown in this series. At least Lilly looks like he cares, unlike our free-swinging trio of all-star hitters.

 

Nothing epitomizes this series than Doug Davis' bunt single that drove in a run. We knew he was going to bunt, yet Wuertz throws a pitch right down the middle, Soto starts to come out to field the only (even with the runner on 3rd) and then can't recover in time to make the play, and D-lee was late reacting to the bunt while Wuertz stood flat-footed on the field. Brutal...appears like we were simply going through the motions.

[TMan92]

I mentioned it last night, but all that ran through my head was the Tucker kid from the Bad News Bears throwing his mitt down when they would lose. Fitting.

[OleMissCub]

It was a pretty childish move, but I think people are just making a big deal about it because it was Lilly and he usually pitches with the expression of an accountant.

 

The OMC "have you ever even played sports" line pretty much made the thread though. Like a cornerback that jumps a route, he saw his chance and he took it to the house.

I can sort of relate to OMC's experience and don't care that he tosses that type of line out there regularly, but this analogy made me LMAO.

 

Oh and I don't give a fig about Lilly's reaction. It was a heat of the moment thing. The extended over-analysis of this event is insane.

 

That's pretty funny IMB. Makes me regret blocking you.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The OMC "have you ever even played sports" line pretty much made the thread though. Like a cornerback that jumps a route, he saw his chance and he took it to the house.

 

That's pretty funny IMB. Makes me regret blocking you.

 

 

see RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE is what the Cobs are good for. mending relationships. group hug everyone!!

[OleMissCub]

The OMC "have you ever even played sports" line pretty much made the thread though. Like a cornerback that jumps a route, he saw his chance and he took it to the house.

 

That's pretty funny IMB. Makes me regret blocking you.

 

 

see RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE is what the Cobs are good for. mending relationships. group hug everyone!!

 

Hey, I'll admit that when IMB makes jokes that are above a 4th grade level, they are generally pretty funny, even if they are aimed at me.

[Omar]

On the subject of Lilly, what the hell happened? Was he unprepared? Trying to do too much? Just couldn't trust his stuff?

 

He's been in the post-season twice before. It's not like he didn't know about the amount of pressure.

 

BLEH.

[Bull]

Reminded me of Alou on the Bartman play.

 

I don't blame Lilly or Alou, but showing level of that frustration is unlikely to accomplish anything but to bring you and your teammates down.

[Connor McConnor]

this thread has too many words

 

Perfectly said. Oh, and your "Fail" pic is the real reason we are in trouble in the series. Our big three havent come through. Period.

[jaydee]

was probably the coolest thing so far in this series

 

hopefully they can top themselves on saturday

 

 

go lilly!!!!!

 

 

 

cool? you call this kind of immature crap "cool?"

 

cool would have been focusing his anger on the next batter. cool would have been setting his self-pity aside and performing the job to the fullest extent of his ability. diverting his attention and wasting his energy on an event that could no longer be controlled is the antithesis of cool. throwing his glove on the ground signalled that, at least in the heat of that moment, Ted Lilly was more interested in quickly minimizing unpleasant feelings than in maximizing the Cubs' chances of winning. it shows that, in that instant, he cared more about momentary pain than about his teammates or about achievement or competition. when the team needed him, he was too busy crying.

 

what the hell is wrong with NSBB tonight? coming out in praise of Lilly's infantile tantrum is perfectly in step with the sentiments described by a majority of the posters during tonight's game thread, where several posters went so far as to say that they would prefer the Cubs to perform badly in the playoffs rather than well, provided that the Cubs aren't going to end up winning the world series. what kind of fan would rather his team do badly, just so he doesn't have to end up disappointed? what kind of fan would rather his team go three and out than lose a well-played game seven of the world series? what kind of fan would rather his team lose in an embarassing ****fest than lose a beautifully played game like the recent Padres-Rockies match? apparently, the type of fan who enjoyed Lilly's juvenile outburst.

 

we are not dead. we are not a good team, and we are only debatably as good as our opponents. so far we have [expletive] all over ourselves in some of the most frustrating ways possible. aside from Zambrano and Soto, Wood, and a handfull others, we have played horribly. poor defense has worsened unbelievably bad pitching from normally solid pitchers. aside from, inexplicably, Jacque Jones, even our normally more disciplined hitters have swung the bat like idiots. Soriano has been an embarassment. we are overwhelmingly likely to lose this series, and very probably we will have deserved it. but why go in for all this self-immolating emo crap about rolling over just to lessen the pain? why celebrate the fact that Lilly stopped competing after that pitch, or that so many so-called fans want the team to lay down and die? how could anyone want to be the kind of weak spirited quitter that doesn't even have the pride to die well? and what kind of fan of baseball would rather call off the games just to save himself a little distress? what kind of competitor would give up even the smallest chance of a shot at eternal glory just in order that his probable death might come about more comfortably? some of you will say that you have been hurt too much. I say that you have learned to fear the pain so much that you no longer really care.

 

 

edited for minor grammatical mistakes

 

u have a really boring definition of cool

[Sosa21MVP]

I'd rather not see the Cubs losing their composure on the field in the heat of the moment. Lilly last night reminded me of Moises Alou after the Bartman episode. If a guy needs to throw a fit, save it for the dugout or the clubhouse. But between the lines, keep your head.

[Flames24Rulz]

Too bad he couldn't pitch as good as he threw his glove. Burn.