Lilly's reaction to the homer

[minnesotacubsfan]

it didn't show me that he had heart...it showed me he was buckling under pressure.

 

yes because unless you are completely stoic and un-emotional, you are pathetic. emotions have no business being part of being human.

[jersey cubs fan]

first of all...to whoever posted the thesis...dude, that moment showed lilly had heart...was it enough?...no...but it WAS something in a series where they have shown barely anything...

 

Was it enough? That suggests what they needed was more heart. It's not heart that is beating them, it's baseball playing ability.

 

no, i don't buy that...sorry...i just really don't

 

i don't care if these cubs get swept out tomorrow because it wouldn't change my belief that out of every NL contender in the playoffs this year, the cubs would be the best team to represent the NL in the World Series and possibly bring home the title...

 

they are stuck inside their heads...they are an extremely talented ballclub that is in their heads...nervous...whatever...but they are not lacking in talent...

 

i haven't bought into that argument since day one of the season and a quick exit from the playoffs this year will not make me change my mind either

 

Ignore it all you want, but they aren't good. There's a reason they only won 85 games, got their butts handed to them by every contender in the east and west and could barely handle the junk in their own division. They aren't that good.

[anabiono]

first of all...to whoever posted the thesis...dude, that moment showed lilly had heart...was it enough?...no...but it WAS something in a series where they have shown barely anything...

 

Was it enough? That suggests what they needed was more heart. It's not heart that is beating them, it's baseball playing ability.

 

no, i don't buy that...sorry...i just really don't

 

i don't care if these cubs get swept out tomorrow because it wouldn't change my belief that out of every NL contender in the playoffs this year, the cubs would be the best team to represent the NL in the World Series and possibly bring home the title...

 

they are stuck inside their heads...they are an extremely talented ballclub that is in their heads...nervous...whatever...but they are not lacking in talent...

 

i haven't bought into that argument since day one of the season and a quick exit from the playoffs this year will not make me change my mind either

 

Ignore it all you want, but they aren't good. There's a reason they only won 85 games, got their butts handed to them by every contender in the east and west and could barely handle the junk in their own division. They aren't that good.

 

well, lets just agree to disagree then shall we?

[Mizzou]

I really like that Lilly did that. You don't see that kind of emotion too often.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This thread has become comical. Sure his reaction may be a bit childish, but it was pure human emotion.

[Dr. Cub]

This thread has become comical. Sure his reaction may be a bit childish, but it was pure human emotion.

 

No kidding. I love the whole "he didn't act like I would in that situation so he's wrong" mentality. As if everyone should respond in one particular manner to the same events.

[minnesotacubsfan]

This thread has become comical. Sure his reaction may be a bit childish, but it was pure human emotion.

 

No kidding. I love the whole "he didn't act like I would in that situation so he's wrong" mentality. As if everyone should not react at all to the same event.

 

 

fixed.

 

hell, I would thrown more then my glove. I think Lilly exercised EXTREME restraint.

[Derwood]

this thread has too many words

[abuck1220]

Well, Lilly can at least take comfort that he set an unofficial record for the hardest thrown glove in postseason history. That happened after he shook off catcher Geovany Soto's call for a curveball on a 3-2 count to Arizona's Chris Young in the second inning with two runners on and the Cubs leading 2-0. Because Soto is a rookie who has been in the majors all of five weeks, he deferred to the veteran. "I wanted to go with what he was comfortable with," Soto said. "He wanted to go up and in with a fastball."

 

 

 

Instead, Lilly threw the fastball up and in the heart of the strike zone, and Young crushed the gopher ball for a three-run homer that gave Arizona a 3-2 lead it never relinquished. Lilly reacted by ripping his glove off his right hand and slamming it to the mound with his left. "I've never seen a pitcher throw their glove like that on the mound," Piniella said.

 

 

 

That's probably because no one has seen a player throw his glove like that since Tanner Boyle in the original "Bad News Bears." The reaction was probably a pretty good indication that Lilly didn't have his adrenaline properly under control.

 

throwing young a fastball there was idiotic, and it's pretty amazing/depressing that lilly didn't know that. good to see soto doesn't have his head up his ass, however.

[mjohnson71]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

[minnesotacubsfan]

throwing young a fastball there was idiotic, and it's pretty amazing/depressing that lilly didn't know that.

 

 

yea, it was a stupid pitch

[Soul]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

 

I'm just not hooking into this one.

 

I couldn't disagree with you more. I don't see the big deal. I doubt a Cards/Sox player doing this would garner more than a couple snide remarks in the game thread.

 

The over-reaction of Lilly to giving up basically a season-ending 3 run jack is far suprassed by the over-reaction on this board today, IMO.

[jersey cubs fan]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

 

I'm just not hooking into this one.

 

I couldn't disagree with you more. I don't see the big deal. I doubt a Cards/Sox player doing this would garner more than a couple snide remarks in the game thread.

 

The over-reaction of Lilly to giving up basically a season-ending 3 run jack is far suprassed by the over-reaction on this board today, IMO.

 

Considering how mixed the reaction to this storyline is, I'd have to say that's no where near accurate.

[Mizzou]

I really don't understand why people are dogging Lilly for doing what he did. It's the freakin playoffs. He gave up a home run and reacted accordingly. Did you get pissed off when it happened? Yes? Of course you did. Why the hell are you slamming Lilly for doing the exact same thing? Just cause he showed more emotion on the mound than you did on your couch?

[mjohnson71]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

 

I'm just not hooking into this one.

 

I couldn't disagree with you more. I don't see the big deal. I doubt a Cards/Sox player doing this would garner more than a couple snide remarks in the game thread.

 

The over-reaction of Lilly to giving up basically a season-ending 3 run jack is far suprassed by the over-reaction on this board today, IMO.

 

So you're saying that what Lilly did was perfectly okay?

[Guest]

was probably the coolest thing so far in this series

 

hopefully they can top themselves on saturday

 

 

go lilly!!!!!

The first pitch was the point in which we lost the game.

 

fixed

 

I dont blame Lilly, I wish I saw that emotion from Soriano or Lee

 

Uhh, didn't Lee slam his bat after a strikeout and throw his helmet in disgust only to realize he should be running to first base on a WP? He's shown plenty enough emotion.

 

I don't see why everyone has to be the same and show emotion. That's the first time Lilly has all season (except maybe 1 little fist pump). You guys get mad at Z for showing emotion, you guys get excited when Z shows emotion. It's really hard to keep track of when showing emotion is good and when it isn't (actually, it's easy - when player is doing well, it's good; when player isn't, it's bad).

 

I'm sure all of these guys know they're sucking and are disappointed - one pan into the dugout late yesterday was enough to tell.

 

It's a human reaction but I hope none of these guys goes and hurts themself over it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

was probably the coolest thing so far in this series

 

hopefully they can top themselves on saturday

 

 

go lilly!!!!!

The first pitch was the point in which we lost the game.

 

fixed

 

I dont blame Lilly, I wish I saw that emotion from Soriano or Lee

 

Uhh, didn't Lee slam his bat after a strikeout and throw his helmet in disgust only to realize he should be running to first base on a WP? He's shown plenty enough emotion.

 

I don't see why everyone has to be the same and show emotion. That's the first time Lilly has all season (except maybe 1 little fist pump). You guys get mad at Z for showing emotion, you guys get excited when Z shows emotion. It's really hard to keep track of when showing emotion is good and when it isn't (actually, it's easy - when player is doing well, it's good; when player isn't, it's bad).

 

I'm sure all of these guys know they're sucking and are disappointed - one pan into the dugout late yesterday was enough to tell.

 

It's a human reaction but I hope none of these guys goes and hurts themself over it.

 

well if Lee did/has then I

 

a) stand corrected

b) didnt see it

c) am happy to hear that

 

 

I was prolly too discusted with his AB that I turned away and missed it..

[nick23]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

 

I'm just not hooking into this one.

 

I couldn't disagree with you more. I don't see the big deal. I doubt a Cards/Sox player doing this would garner more than a couple snide remarks in the game thread.

 

The over-reaction of Lilly to giving up basically a season-ending 3 run jack is far suprassed by the over-reaction on this board today, IMO.

 

So you're saying that what Lilly did was perfectly okay?

Yes. I have yet to see a five page thread after a batter strikes out and throws his bat to the ground. Aramis does it quite often. Is he childish also?

[mjohnson71]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

 

I'm just not hooking into this one.

 

I couldn't disagree with you more. I don't see the big deal. I doubt a Cards/Sox player doing this would garner more than a couple snide remarks in the game thread.

 

The over-reaction of Lilly to giving up basically a season-ending 3 run jack is far suprassed by the over-reaction on this board today, IMO.

 

So you're saying that what Lilly did was perfectly okay?

Yes. I have yet to see a five page thread after a batter strikes out and throws his bat to the ground. Aramis does it quite often. Is he childish also?

 

The problem I have with Lilly's reaction is that as a pitcher you must attempt remain in control at all times, (or at least appear to remain in control.)

 

I don't get as bent out of shape when a batter throws his helmet, batters glove(s) or bat after striking out. Or whoever the left fielder was who threw his glove down in disgust during the 1988 World Series as he watched Kirk Gibson home run fly over his head: I understand that.

 

But when I see a pitcher acting that way, it doesn't mean he's "spirited", "full of energy" or "competitive". It means he's lost control and is a lot closer to getting pulled.

 

Now I'm not saying the pitcher needs to be an emotionless robot out there. But I'm sorry: a pitcher should be held to a higher standard because of the nature of the position.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The problem I have with Lilly's reaction is that as a pitcher you must attempt remain in control at all times, (or at least appear to remain in control.)

 

I don't get as bent out of shape when a batter throws his helmet, batters glove(s) or bat after striking out. Or whoever the left fielder was who threw his glove down in disgust during the 1988 World Series as he watched Kirk Gibson home run fly over his head: I understand that.

 

But when I see a pitcher acting that way, it doesn't mean he's "spirited", "full of energy" or "competitive". It means he's lost control and is a lot closer to getting pulled.

 

Now I'm not saying the pitcher needs to be an emotionless robot out there. But I'm sorry: a pitcher should be held to a higher standard because of the nature of the position.

 

so when Zambrano breaks a bat over his knee?

[TruffleShuffle]

over throw...over react...

 

Exactly. That's the type of reaction you see in the Little League World Series from 10 year old, not a grown up MLB player.

 

If a White Sox or Cards player threw his glove down like Lilly, this thread would be over 30 pages long and ripping the dude to shreds.

 

uh yeah not really, i don't think anyone would give a crap.

[mjohnson71]

The problem I have with Lilly's reaction is that as a pitcher you must attempt remain in control at all times, (or at least appear to remain in control.)

 

I don't get as bent out of shape when a batter throws his helmet, batters glove(s) or bat after striking out. Or whoever the left fielder was who threw his glove down in disgust during the 1988 World Series as he watched Kirk Gibson home run fly over his head: I understand that.

 

But when I see a pitcher acting that way, it doesn't mean he's "spirited", "full of energy" or "competitive". It means he's lost control and is a lot closer to getting pulled.

 

Now I'm not saying the pitcher needs to be an emotionless robot out there. But I'm sorry: a pitcher should be held to a higher standard because of the nature of the position.

 

so when Zambrano breaks a bat over his knee?

 

We're talking apples and oranges here.

 

I don't care is a spirited pitcher like Z or Jose Lima does crazy things out there.

 

And I don't care of Lilly would have

-kicked the mound

-let out a verbal tirade that would make a drill sergeant blush

-taken his glove or cap and slapped his other hand or leg.

 

It's the taking of the glove off and throwing it on the ground like a child that gets me.

[David]

Seriously?

 

A 4 page thread on this?

 

 

Who gives a shizzle?

[siuc1996]

well if Lee did/has then I

 

a) stand corrected

b) didnt see it

c) am happy to hear that

 

 

I was prolly too discusted with his AB that I turned away and missed it..

 

DLee did do that. He has been showing more emotion these past few weeks than I have ever seen before. The pressure on these guys to win must be so crushing. More crushing than any other team out there. Just imagine how many times they are told about parents, grandparents, etc. that just want to see one World Series win in their lifetimes. FWIW, I didn't mind the emotion from Lilly last night.

[SouthSideRyan]

Didn't read through the whole thread, so I apologize if I'm repeating other people, but I just don't understand the indignation at Lilly spiking his glove. I've seen it here, I heard it last night, and I'm hearing a ton of it here at work.

 

Would everyone be so disapproving if Lilly just screamed F---!! like most pitchers would in that situation? Honestly what's the difference? Pitcher gives up HR, pitcher is pissed, pitcher releases anger.