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Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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Did anyone else notice that the Cubs have not lost a game in September when Soto starts? They are now 6-0 in Sept with him behind the plate.

 

And since we all know just how damn important that CERA stat is Kendalls is 4.29 while Soto is 3.26, I mean we all know thats the most important stat out there. There is no more argument......

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Did anyone else notice that the Cubs have not lost a game in September when Soto starts? They are now 6-0 in Sept with him behind the plate.

 

And since we all know just how damn important that CERA stat is Kendalls is 4.29 while Soto is 3.26, I mean we all know thats the most important stat out there. There is no more argument......

 

The Cubs are 5-1 with Soto in September. They lost 6-1 to the Pirates on the 7th of September.

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Did anyone else notice that the Cubs have not lost a game in September when Soto starts? They are now 6-0 in Sept with him behind the plate.

 

And since we all know just how damn important that CERA stat is Kendalls is 4.29 while Soto is 3.26, I mean we all know thats the most important stat out there. There is no more argument......

 

The Cubs are 5-1 with Soto in September. They lost 6-1 to the Pirates on the 7th of September.

 

I should have known not to believe Jeff Vorva. This is where i got it from by the way.

 

And while Kendall has a world of experience behind the plate, Cubs pitchers have a 4.29 ERA when he starts as opposed to Soto's 3.26. And the Cubs are 5-0 in games Soto has started in September.

 

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/092107/MLB_BEDUDKFR.077.php

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Sounds like even Blanco thinks that Soto will get the playoff roster spot:

 

Blanco has battled health problems this season, but the way he has mentored Soto shows what being a teammate is all about. Blanco's playing time has been limited, while Soto is vying with Kendall for starts and a possible spot on the postseason roster.

 

"I understand the situation," Blanco said. "We're in a pennant race, and Jason and Geo are ready.

 

"I haven't played that much this year. Not that I don't care, but I go out there and try to cheer for my team, and hopefully we'll go all the way.

 

"We all have to understand what we need to do. I understand my part. It's good for Geo and Jason that they're able to help us try to win a championship this year."

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Did anyone else notice that the Cubs have not lost a game in September when Soto starts? They are now 6-0 in Sept with him behind the plate.

 

And since we all know just how damn important that CERA stat is Kendalls is 4.29 while Soto is 3.26, I mean we all know thats the most important stat out there. There is no more argument......

 

Careful with that argument. Remember, Hill had a great winning percentage as a Cub. It means nothing in reality.

 

I like the Kendall/Soto tandem for the playoffs. They bring completely different games with them, and both represent respectable PH options, which isn't true for most catching tandems. Kendall would be a great guy to PH with in any situation where you need the ball put in play. Obviously with Soto, you're looking for RH power.

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Did anyone else notice that the Cubs have not lost a game in September when Soto starts? They are now 6-0 in Sept with him behind the plate.

 

And since we all know just how damn important that CERA stat is Kendalls is 4.29 while Soto is 3.26, I mean we all know thats the most important stat out there. There is no more argument......

 

LOL.. Yep, clearly there is no argument! :D

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Gotta give Lou some credit, there are a lot of managers who wouldn't shift so much playing time to a guy who spent most of the year in the minors, and would just stick with the "proven veteran" during the stretch run.

 

By the way, here's an article: Get to know...

 

 

Geovany Soto.

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Gotta give Lou some credit, there are a lot of managers who wouldn't shift so much playing time to a guy who spent most of the year in the minors, and would just stick with the "proven veteran" during the stretch run.

 

By the way, here's an article: Get to know...

 

 

Geovany Soto.

 

Yea, I'm really glad Lou has given him a chance. The situation is so similar to the Estes/Cruz situation in 03, where Dusty pretty much refused to give in all season (although he did skip a few Estes starts in Sept). Actually, I feel like that would've been an easier move to make, since Estes was far more abysmal than Kendall has been as a Cub.

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Gotta give Lou some credit, there are a lot of managers who wouldn't shift so much playing time to a guy who spent most of the year in the minors, and would just stick with the "proven veteran" during the stretch run.

 

By the way, here's an article: Get to know...

 

 

Geovany Soto.

 

Hmm...I don't know how much credit should go to Lou here. I'm sure he has a lot of input on which minor leaguers to bring up, and the Cubs didn't want anything to do with Soto most of the year, instead preferring to trade for Kendall and give Koyie Hill far too much PT. Soto got called up because he was the league MVP, and he's playing everyday because even Lou can't sit a guy that's hitting near .500 and hitting just about everything that's thrown his way.

 

I'll give Lou credit for a lot of things, but I think Soto forced this with his performance.

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Gotta give Lou some credit, there are a lot of managers who wouldn't shift so much playing time to a guy who spent most of the year in the minors, and would just stick with the "proven veteran" during the stretch run.

 

By the way, here's an article: Get to know...

 

 

Geovany Soto.

 

Hmm...I don't know how much credit should go to Lou here. I'm sure he has a lot of input on which minor leaguers to bring up, and the Cubs didn't want anything to do with Soto most of the year, instead preferring to trade for Kendall and give Koyie Hill far too much PT. Soto got called up because he was the league MVP, and he's playing everyday because even Lou can't sit a guy that's hitting near .500 and hitting just about everything that's thrown his way.

 

I'll give Lou credit for a lot of things, but I think Soto forced this with his performance.

 

I think any manager could justify using Kendall over Soto without taking a lot of heat for it. He wouldn't be right, but he wouldn't take much heat. It'd be the old, "Well the kid is hot, but you have to go with the seasoned vet in a pennant race." Especially at a position like catcher, where people seem more inclined to over-value defense (not that I don't think Soto is better than Kendall at that, anyway) and "veteran savvy and leadership."

 

Hell, Plesac was on the radio the other day saying that if it were up to him, he'd rather have Kendall starting than Soto.

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Gotta give Lou some credit, there are a lot of managers who wouldn't shift so much playing time to a guy who spent most of the year in the minors, and would just stick with the "proven veteran" during the stretch run.

 

By the way, here's an article: Get to know...

 

 

Geovany Soto.

 

Hmm...I don't know how much credit should go to Lou here. I'm sure he has a lot of input on which minor leaguers to bring up, and the Cubs didn't want anything to do with Soto most of the year, instead preferring to trade for Kendall and give Koyie Hill far too much PT. Soto got called up because he was the league MVP, and he's playing everyday because even Lou can't sit a guy that's hitting near .500 and hitting just about everything that's thrown his way.

 

I'll give Lou credit for a lot of things, but I think Soto forced this with his performance.

 

I think any manager could justify using Kendall over Soto without taking a lot of heat for it. He wouldn't be right, but he wouldn't take much heat. It'd be the old, "Well the kid is hot, but you have to go with the seasoned vet in a pennant race." Especially at a position like catcher, where people seem more inclined to over-value defense (not that I don't think Soto is better than Kendall at that, anyway) and "veteran savvy and leadership."

 

Hell, Plesac was on the radio the other day saying that if it were up to him, he'd rather have Kendall starting than Soto.

 

Just because there are people that are stupid doesn't mean that Lou should get a bunch of attaboy's for not being stupid. Lou has done some nice things for this club. But it took far too long for Soto to be installed as starting catcher.

 

Lou talks about how you have to take risks at the end of the year with these pitcher on 3 days rest and what not, but then he's not willing to take a risk in the middle of the season with a young hot-hitting catcher.

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Gotta give Lou some credit, there are a lot of managers who wouldn't shift so much playing time to a guy who spent most of the year in the minors, and would just stick with the "proven veteran" during the stretch run.

 

By the way, here's an article: Get to know...

 

 

Geovany Soto.

 

Hmm...I don't know how much credit should go to Lou here. I'm sure he has a lot of input on which minor leaguers to bring up, and the Cubs didn't want anything to do with Soto most of the year, instead preferring to trade for Kendall and give Koyie Hill far too much PT. Soto got called up because he was the league MVP, and he's playing everyday because even Lou can't sit a guy that's hitting near .500 and hitting just about everything that's thrown his way.

 

I'll give Lou credit for a lot of things, but I think Soto forced this with his performance.

 

I think any manager could justify using Kendall over Soto without taking a lot of heat for it. He wouldn't be right, but he wouldn't take much heat. It'd be the old, "Well the kid is hot, but you have to go with the seasoned vet in a pennant race." Especially at a position like catcher, where people seem more inclined to over-value defense (not that I don't think Soto is better than Kendall at that, anyway) and "veteran savvy and leadership."

 

Hell, Plesac was on the radio the other day saying that if it were up to him, he'd rather have Kendall starting than Soto.

 

Just because there are people that are stupid doesn't mean that Lou should get a bunch of attaboy's for not being stupid. Lou has done some nice things for this club. But it took far too long for Soto to be installed as starting catcher.

 

It should at least be recognized and pointed out.

 

If it were any other position I would agree. But managers are often picky about catchers and when they have a "veteran, winning type player" who reportedly works very well with the pitchers and was producing pretty well offensively for a month.

 

I would bet that the majority of major league managers wouldn't have given Soto this much time. Yes he's forced the issue with his production and it's not like it's a calculated, brilliant decision by Lou. But it should be noted that he's done the right thing more often than not this year.

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It should at least be recognized and pointed out.

 

If it were any other position I would agree. But managers are often picky about catchers and when they have a "veteran, winning type player" who reportedly works very well with the pitchers and was producing pretty well offensively for a month.

 

I would bet that the majority of major league managers wouldn't have given Soto this much time. Yes he's forced the issue with his production and it's not like it's a calculated, brilliant decision by Lou. But it should be noted that he's done the right thing more often than not this year.

 

I think he's done a lot better lately, but gave a lot of vets a lot of playing time when they were playing really bad, and let the young guys rot on the bench. Murton, Pie, and Soto didn't get any significant playing time until just recently, and Pie still hasn't. Jacque, Floyd, Izturis, Koyie, Trachsel, Miller, and Monroe have all gotten far too much PT. Lou has corrected many of his mistakes though...that's where he beats out someone like Dusty, who just rides his mistakes into the ground.

 

I know that some of that has to do with Hendry handing him these players, and that he's had to make do. I recognize that, and I do give Lou credit for what he's done with this team. But he's had his fair share of mistakes this year. Waiting till now to unleash Soto is one of them.

 

I don't care what other managers would do. They'd be wrong too.

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