Trachsel a Cub (this should be fun)

[CuseCubFan69]

There is noway in hell under any circumstance, that Steve Freaking Trachsel should take any starts away from Hill.

 

Seconded. I'm okay with giving Marshall a break, but Hill can't be skipping every other start.

 

Yeah...I'd like to see Trachsel and Marshall alternate starts. How is Trachsel with 6 days of rest? I hope he's a guy that throws better when he gets more than the average rest between starts.

[USSoccer]

I might be late to the thread, but this move is only acceptable if Trachsel is used to start 2 or 3 games, and in long relief otherwise. Taking starts away from Hill is madness.

[Illini Iceman]

I might be late to the thread, but this move is only acceptable if Trachsel is used to start 2 or 3 games, and in long relief otherwise. Taking starts away from Hill is madness.

 

I wish he had taken one away from him today.

[frostwyrm]

I might be late to the thread, but this move is only acceptable if Trachsel is used to start 2 or 3 games, and in long relief otherwise.

 

If he's used that way I would have no complaint, but I'm worried that Lou will try to squeeze as many starts out of him as he can and not make him available for long relief duty, which is where he could be most helpful IMO.

[Mephistopheles]

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40 and has walked a lot more batters than he's struck out.

 

Let's trade two guys for the latter and demote the former.

[baseball7897]

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40 and has walked a lot more batters than he's struck out.

 

This post means nothing because ERA and W/L are horrible stats in judging a pitcher.

[abuck1220]

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40 and has walked a lot more batters than he's struck out.

 

This post means nothing because ERA and W/L are horrible stats in judging a pitcher.

 

what stats do you have up your sleeve that makes trachsel a good option?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40 and has walked a lot more batters than he's struck out.

 

This post means nothing because ERA and W/L are horrible stats in judging a pitcher.

 

what stats do you have up your sleeve that makes trachsel a good option?

 

It's probably based on Traschel's magnificent mechanics.

[Guest]

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40 and has walked a lot more batters than he's struck out.

 

This post means nothing because ERA and W/L are horrible stats in judging a pitcher.

you're right. But Meph was giving him as much credit as possible by using those numbers. Using better pitching metrics makes the difference much bigger.

[davearm]

Some of us here are smart and don't use RBI and R to gauge offensive production.

 

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40

LOL... a nice strong dose of hypocrisy from the self-righteous one.

[rocket]

Some of us here are smart and don't use RBI and R to gauge offensive production.

 

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40

LOL... a nice strong dose of hypocrisy from the self-righteous one.

 

except he's not using r and rbi in the post you're quoting. he's not even talking about offensive production.

 

nice try though.

[davearm]

Some of us here are smart and don't use RBI and R to gauge offensive production.

 

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40

LOL... a nice strong dose of hypocrisy from the self-righteous one.

 

except he's not using r and rbi in the post you're quoting. he's not even talking about offensive production.

 

nice try though.

As measures of pitching production, W-L and ERA are as bad or even worse than R and RBI are of offensive production.

 

It's rather sad that you needed to have that explained to you.

[rocket]

Some of us here are smart and don't use RBI and R to gauge offensive production.

 

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40

LOL... a nice strong dose of hypocrisy from the self-righteous one.

 

except he's not using r and rbi in the post you're quoting. he's not even talking about offensive production.

 

nice try though.

As measures of pitching production, W-L and ERA are as bad or even worse than R and RBI are of offensive production.

 

It's rather sad that you needed to have that explained to you.

 

it's a quick and dirty way to show that the trade was pointless. if you want i'm sure meph will gladly show you more advanced metrics to show how dumb it was.

 

it's more sad that your only contribution to this thread is to take a shot at meph.

[Mephistopheles]

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40 and has walked a lot more batters than he's struck out.

 

This post means nothing because ERA and W/L are horrible stats in judging a pitcher.

 

I like how you conveniently forgot to read the last part of my post where I said "[Trachsel] has walked a lot more batters than he's struck out." A smart person like myself can infer from a low K:BB that they have a terrible FIP and DIPS because I know how to calculate them. So you can shut your mouth and stop taking cheap shots at me. Go practice so you get more than ten innings on a community college baseball team for a full season.

 

Some of us here are smart and don't use RBI and R to gauge offensive production.

 

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40

LOL... a nice strong dose of hypocrisy from the self-righteous one.

 

typical responses from baseballnumbers and davearm. They both take cheapshots because they've got nothing better to post. Davearm, like baseball before him, also left out the latter half of my quote. In fact he chopped it up just to make his point. What a jerk.

 

Hey Rock Sauce, we're two for two on people who can't read entire posts aren't we?

[Mephistopheles]

Some of us here are smart and don't use RBI and R to gauge offensive production.

 

Marshall is 7-7 with an ERA under 4.00. Trachsel is 6-8 with an ERA over 4.40

LOL... a nice strong dose of hypocrisy from the self-righteous one.

 

except he's not using r and rbi in the post you're quoting. he's not even talking about offensive production.

 

nice try though.

As measures of pitching production, W-L and ERA are as bad or even worse than R and RBI are of offensive production.

 

It's rather sad that you needed to have that explained to you.

 

 

get your eye out of the zoom on the meph-o-sniper and read the entire post.

[Guest]

One more post of this nonsense from anyone involved and consequences will start flowing.

[Flames24Rulz]

No offense, but how does he get away with this stuff?

[abuck1220]

No offense, but how does he get away with this stuff?

 

those other guys weren't exactly innocent victims.

[Illini Iceman]

"The one thing I haven't accomplished in my career is a World Series," said Trachsel, who was acquired by the Cubs on Friday from Baltimore for Minor Leaguers Scott Moore and Rocky Cherry.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070901&content_id=2183408&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Is that really the ONE thing he hasn't accomplished in his career? I think there are probably a few other things.

[Guest]

No offense, but how does he get away with this stuff?

I'm honestly not sure which one you're talking about. Looking at the above posts, there was an awful lot of childishness from several people.

[Guest]

"The one thing I haven't accomplished in my career is a World Series," said Trachsel, who was acquired by the Cubs on Friday from Baltimore for Minor Leaguers Scott Moore and Rocky Cherry.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070901&content_id=2183408&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Is that really the ONE thing he hasn't accomplished in his career? I think there are probably a few other things.

As far as I know, he's yet to win a batting title, for example.

[BigbadB]

We aren't quite where we need to be in regards to world peace, either.

[Rob]

2 IP, 6 R

[Guest]

Ahh, you beat me to it, Rob!

 

What a great trade. And thank goodness he's stealing a spot in the rotation from a competent pitcher.

[Rob]

Ahh, you beat me to it, Rob!

 

What a great trade. And thank goodness he's stealing a spot in the rotation from a competent pitcher.

 

If it'll make ya feel better, you can be the one to point out they were all earned runs.

 

But yeah. I didn't have a huge problem if we skipped Marshall once to rest his arm, but continuing to rely on this piece of junk? Unforgivable. We should just cut him, but I don't see Hendry admitting to a mistake like this anytime soon.