Anybody else concerned about Marmol?

[YearofDaCubs]

To me, it seems that Lou is overusing the Marmol. Every time I'm watching a Cubs game it's almost a sure thing to see Marmol pitch. he doesn't even go one inning, he sometimes goes more. I'm concerned Lou is going to break his arm.

[Balsa]

He was a starter, so he's used to throwing lots of innings.

 

But yes, I definitely share your concern. Lou is using him like he's not going to need him in a month.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

[Balsa]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

[CubColtPacer]

One thing that helps is that for the amount of innings Marmol pitches, he doesn't pitch on consecutive days all that often. For a guy who has been a starter, the innings is not as much of a problem as the pitching on back-to back, 3 out of 4 days, etc. Marmol is used a lot, but Lou tries to avoid those situations which has helped Marmol stay fresh.

[Guest]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

 

Primarily as a starter. It's asking a lot for a guy to throw that many innings split into 3 or 4 different outings a week.

[Soul]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

 

Primarily as a starter. It's asking a lot for a guy to throw that many innings split into 3 or 4 different outings a week.

 

I'm definitely concerned. I just don't know how else we can stay in this race, especially since Woody has yet to shut people down. If we can't shut teams down in the 7th & 8th, with our offense I'm afraid we're going to have little chance.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

 

As a starter, with a set schedule and 4 days rest in between. It's not just innings, it's innings as a reliever. He's already got 40 AAA innings as a starter this year as well. He's thrown with 0 or 1 days rest 33 times this year. If he keeps up this pace and the Cubs make the playoffs, his total innings pitched this year will reach 115+. I would doubt there's another reliever on a playoff team that comes anywhere close to that number.

[Soul]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

 

As a starter, with a set schedule and 4 days rest in between. It's not just innings, it's innings as a reliever. He's already got 40 AAA innings as a starter this year as well. He's thrown with 0 or 1 days rest 33 times this year. If he keeps up this pace and the Cubs make the playoffs, his total innings pitched this year will reach 115+. I would doubt there's another reliever on a playoff team that comes anywhere close to that number.

 

It's alarming, I agree.

[chuckywang]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

 

Yeah, as a starter where the games you pitch in is rigidly scheduled.

[Balsa]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

AS A STARTER

[CubColtPacer]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

 

As a starter, with a set schedule and 4 days rest in between. It's not just innings, it's innings as a reliever. He's already got 40 AAA innings as a starter this year as well. He's thrown with 0 or 1 days rest 33 times this year. If he keeps up this pace and the Cubs make the playoffs, his total innings pitched this year will reach 115+. I would doubt there's another reliever on a playoff team that comes anywhere close to that number.

 

There aren't many, but there are a few.

 

Carlos Villenueva has 82.2 IP already in the majors with only 1 start, and now he's in the minors starting. He'll probably have more innings than Marmol overall. He's probably the best example of a reliever on a playoff team who will end up with that number of innings.

 

There are probably a dozen relievers that will end up around 90 IP. There are 6-7 more that have less than 10 starts and will end up with 100-120 IP.

 

So Marmol's workload isn't altogether rare for a swing starter/reliever, but it is on the top end of a reliever's workload.

[MikeyLikesCubbies]

I wouldn't be as concerned if his delivery didn't look so violent. I'm afraid his arm is going to fly off like on that old SNL sketch of the weightlifters in the "All Drug Olympics"

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1178/1252053501_01a9b1c64c.jpg

Edited August 27, 2007 by MikeyLikesCubbies

[Keener98]

Holy crap that is a huge sig!

[Shilzzz]

Yes. It will be unfortunate when he gets hurt. Still pitching well, but it's easy to see when Carlos is wearing down, because he loses control. Marmol is someone that has the capacity to be shut down for years - so long as he doesn't get hurt by max innings early in his career.

 

Where have I heard this before?

[Irrelevant Dude]

Yes, I'm also concerned... not so much for this year, but next year. As we've seen in the past, relievers often don't show the effects of being overused until the following year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Unfortunately, the Cubs end up in a lot of close games, and the only reliever the Cubs can count on are Marmol and Howry.

 

If were up or down 8-2, sure, bring on Kerry Wood, Scott Eyre, or Mike Wuertz, but most of our games have been 1-3 run games, and when your in the position the Cubs are in, they cant afford to put in some hack who can blow the game at moments notice.

 

Pignietello has potential, but we havnt had enough blowout games lately in which the kid can get some reps.

 

Eyre is inconsistant at best. Same with Wood, only half the time I expect his arm to come flying off with the ball.

 

As for Wuertz, it seems that its the same story every year. He shuts opponents down with his slider the first few months of the season, then they all remember hes a one trick poney and knock him around until hes mercifully pulled.

 

And then theres Novoa who Im more than content with the fact that we'll probably never see his ugly mug again.

[Peoriaman]

no. Hell, we make up things around here to be "worried" about. That is what Cub fans do.. Edited August 28, 2007 by Peoriaman

[Exile on Waveland]

I've been concerned for awhile now.

[CuseCubFan69]

I've been concerned for a while. Lou has ignored his earlier claims that he would try and rest Marmol a little. Carlos is on a pace, from June-August, for 16 innings per month, which is equal to 96 innings over a full season. Relievers just don't do that.

Yeah but he threw more innings than that last year.

 

As a starter, with a set schedule and 4 days rest in between. It's not just innings, it's innings as a reliever. He's already got 40 AAA innings as a starter this year as well. He's thrown with 0 or 1 days rest 33 times this year. If he keeps up this pace and the Cubs make the playoffs, his total innings pitched this year will reach 115+. I would doubt there's another reliever on a playoff team that comes anywhere close to that number.

 

Time to give Mike Marshall a call then. Let's hope some other relievers step up and Lou gets some confidence in them to ease Marmol's workload. What types of pitches does he throw?

[TheDude]

There are 67 relievers in baseball with more IP than Marmol. There are 125 relievers with more appearances.

 

I'm not saying that he should be tossed out there back-to-back anytime, but I can't see his usage as out of control compared to the league. Howry and Wuertz have been used more and Dempster about equal (more appearances, 3 less innings).

[CoolHandLuke]

There are 67 relievers in baseball with more IP than Marmol. There are 125 relievers with more appearances.

 

I'm not saying that he should be tossed out there back-to-back anytime, but I can't see his usage as out of control compared to the league. Howry and Wuertz have been used more and Dempster about equal (more appearances, 3 less innings).

 

Marmol was called up almost 2 months into the season though.

[TheDude]

There are 67 relievers in baseball with more IP than Marmol. There are 125 relievers with more appearances.

 

I'm not saying that he should be tossed out there back-to-back anytime, but I can't see his usage as out of control compared to the league. Howry and Wuertz have been used more and Dempster about equal (more appearances, 3 less innings).

 

Marmol was called up almost 2 months into the season though.

He missed the first 6 weeks (42 games). I think he is alright provided Lou limits his back-to-back appearances the rest of the way. I'll be as concerned as everyone else by season's end if he's out there 5/7 days in September.

[jersey cubs fan]

There are 67 relievers in baseball with more IP than Marmol. There are 125 relievers with more appearances.

 

I'm not saying that he should be tossed out there back-to-back anytime, but I can't see his usage as out of control compared to the league. Howry and Wuertz have been used more and Dempster about equal (more appearances, 3 less innings).

 

Marmol was called up almost 2 months into the season though.

He missed the first 6 weeks (42 games). I think he is alright provided Lou limits his back-to-back appearances the rest of the way. I'll be as concerned as everyone else by season's end if he's out there 5/7 days in September.

 

He didn't miss 6 weeks. He was starting in Iowa, racking up innings. It's not like those don't count just because they were in AAA.

[rawaction]

There are 67 relievers in baseball with more IP than Marmol. There are 125 relievers with more appearances.

 

I'm not saying that he should be tossed out there back-to-back anytime, but I can't see his usage as out of control compared to the league. Howry and Wuertz have been used more and Dempster about equal (more appearances, 3 less innings).

 

Marmol was called up almost 2 months into the season though.

He missed the first 6 weeks (42 games). I think he is alright provided Lou limits his back-to-back appearances the rest of the way. I'll be as concerned as everyone else by season's end if he's out there 5/7 days in September.

 

He didn't miss 6 weeks. He was starting in Iowa, racking up innings. It's not like those don't count just because they were in AAA.

 

I don't think the total innings means a whole lot, though. He has pitched over 100 innings plenty is his career. I do hate to see him rack up appearances and as many multiple inning appearances as he has.