Monroe to Cubs for PTBNL / Coats DFA'd

[Burtonbell]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6773/career;_ylt=AjtPmeuKqzYoq.u1fg8VI.yFCLcF

 

 

I thought we had this guy, his name is Jacque Jones...

 

Jock can't hit LHP can he? Monroe's good good power and splits vs. lefties.

 

His splits against lefties in his career .277/.321/.501/.822 aren't anything special. He has only hit 2 hr's since the break. He's the right handed Jacque Jones.

 

I just dont see the point of this trade. My comparison is based on what he brings to the table, which is the same as Jacque overall.

 

Does anyone honestly think Lou will use a straight platoon? He hasn't all year, why would he start now?

[JeffH]

Bad baseball players with select useful skills help teams win games all the time.

[hawkeyecub]

The key will be how he's used. If he doesn't start against RHP, then you have him and Ward as legit options off your bench from each side.

Put him in the 6 or 7 spot against lefties and you get better defense and a threat of power.

 

He'll replace Fox on the roster (and is an obvious upgrade) and Soriano will replace Pie when he gets back. Some of the better news is that when we face a LHP, it will keep DeRosa at 2B and Fontenot on the bench.

 

Anyone know his contract status?

[CubColtPacer]

When Lou simply yanked Fox last night without even a double switch, a move did seem somewhat imminent.

 

I can't see Monroe getting much if any PT against right-handers. Soriano, Jones, and Floyd are all easily ahead of him, and Ward, Murton, and DeRosa might be ahead of him as well.

 

Left-handers though are a different story, and that's where Monroe becomes valuable. It also adds a right-handed bat off of the bench, which is needed with both Ward and Pie on the bench most days and Jacque and Floyd some days (with none of the four being able to hit left-handed pitching).

[RegulusBlue]

Sadly, this is Matt Murton's replacement.

 

Even this year, which has been pretty bad for Matt, he's bludgeoning Monroe's numbers. Killing them.

 

Murton 2007: .251 .327 .369

Monroe 2007: .222 .264 .373

 

Murton Career:.291 .360 .441

Monroe Career:.257 .303 .448

 

Murton Age: 25

Monroe Age: 30

 

In three seasons, Murton has an 8.6 WARP3 in 774 AB. In seven seasons, Monroe has a 17.4 WARP3 in 2400 AB.

 

One of these players is younger, better at the plate, and better defensively. Throw in the fact that Monroe is the worst possible option against RHP, and they both cream lefties, and you have yet another example of the Cubs not knowing what their strengths and weaknesses are.

 

This move (Monroe replacing Murton) WILL cost us at least two games the rest of this season and the playoffs.

[Warren Brusstar]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6773/career;_ylt=AjtPmeuKqzYoq.u1fg8VI.yFCLcF

 

 

I thought we had this guy, his name is Jacque Jones...

 

Jock can't hit LHP can he? Monroe's good good power and splits vs. lefties.

 

His splits against lefties in his career .277/.321/.501/.822 aren't anything special. He has only hit 2 hr's since the break. He's the right handed Jacque Jones.

 

I just dont see the point of this trade. My comparison is based on what he brings to the table, which is the same as Jacque overall.

 

Does anyone honestly think Lou will use a straight platoon? He hasn't all year, why would he start now?

 

Lou has been using a strict platoon in center field since Soriano moved to LF. It was Pie/Pagan and then Jones/Pagan. Only after Pagan went on the DL did they stop. If Monroe is now the CF or RF against LHP, this is a good move. (Assuming the PTBNL isn't worth crap)

[CubColtPacer]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6773/career;_ylt=AjtPmeuKqzYoq.u1fg8VI.yFCLcF

 

 

I thought we had this guy, his name is Jacque Jones...

 

Jock can't hit LHP can he? Monroe's good good power and splits vs. lefties.

 

His splits against lefties in his career .277/.321/.501/.822 aren't anything special. He has only hit 2 hr's since the break. He's the right handed Jacque Jones.

 

I just dont see the point of this trade. My comparison is based on what he brings to the table, which is the same as Jacque overall.

 

Does anyone honestly think Lou will use a straight platoon? He hasn't all year, why would he start now?

 

Lou has used a straight platoon at times this year. Jacque/Pagan for example in center was a great example of a straight platoon until Pagan went down. Murton/Floyd was somewhat of a straight platoon earlier in the year (Murton had some at-bats against right-handers as well).

[YearofDaCubs]

When Lou simply yanked Fox last night without even a double switch, a move did seem somewhat imminent.

 

I can't see Monroe getting much if any PT against right-handers. Soriano, Jones, and Floyd are all easily ahead of him, and Ward, Murton, and DeRosa might be ahead of him as well.

 

Left-handers though are a different story, and that's where Monroe becomes valuable. It also adds a right-handed bat off of the bench, which is needed with both Ward and Pie on the bench most days and Jacque and Floyd some days (with none of the four being able to hit left-handed pitching).

Bottom line, I'd rather have Monroe on this team over Fox.

[Burtonbell]

Sadly, this is Matt Murton's replacement.

 

How does anybody know this?

[hawkeyecub]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6773/career;_ylt=AjtPmeuKqzYoq.u1fg8VI.yFCLcF

 

 

I thought we had this guy, his name is Jacque Jones...

 

Jock can't hit LHP can he? Monroe's good good power and splits vs. lefties.

 

His splits against lefties in his career .277/.321/.501/.822 aren't anything special. He has only hit 2 hr's since the break. He's the right handed Jacque Jones.

 

I just dont see the point of this trade. My comparison is based on what he brings to the table, which is the same as Jacque overall.

 

Does anyone honestly think Lou will use a straight platoon? He hasn't all year, why would he start now?

 

No one is saying he's a good overall player. He can hit lefties and has decent pop. Those are skills that this team can use right now. That career .501 SLG he has against lefties? That would be 3rd on this team right now until Soriano gets back.

 

You don't see the point of this trade? The fact that he's a RH version of Jacque (somewhat) is the point. If he were better than that, we wouldn't have gotten him for such a low cost.

[Guest]

He better not be facing righties.

[Balsa]

He better not be facing righties.

[Electron Blue]

any word or reason to think he'll be available for this afternoon's game? I'd guess not, but w=might as well ask.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hopefully he knocks a few big HR against some lefties, avoids nearly all righties, and comes up with a big hit or two in the playoffs. Then let him walk after the season.

[Warren Brusstar]

Sadly, this is Matt Murton's replacement.

 

Even this year, which has been pretty bad for Matt, he's bludgeoning Monroe's numbers. Killing them.

 

Murton 2007: .251 .327 .369

Monroe 2007: .222 .264 .373

 

Murton Career:.291 .360 .441

Monroe Career:.257 .303 .448

 

Murton Age: 25

Monroe Age: 30

 

In three seasons, Murton has an 8.6 WARP3 in 774 AB. In seven seasons, Monroe has a 17.4 WARP3 in 2400 AB.

 

One of these players is younger, better at the plate, and better defensively. Throw in the fact that Monroe is the worst possible option against RHP, and they both cream lefties, and you have yet another example of the Cubs not knowing what their strengths and weaknesses are.

 

This move (Monroe replacing Murton) WILL cost us at least two games the rest of this season and the playoffs.

 

1. Monroe is likely Pagan's replacement as the CF v. LHP.

 

2. 2 wins? Laughable. PECOTA pegs Monroe as 2.9 WARP over 500 plate appearances and Murton as a 3.6 WARP over 460 plate appearances. There's not a 2 win difference between Monroe and Murton if they each played every day over the course of an entire season. The notion that there's a two win difference between them in the 10-12 games we play against LHP the rest of the season is utterly laughable.

[Bruno7481]

Sadly, this is Matt Murton's replacement.

 

 

This move (Monroe replacing Murton) WILL cost us at least two games the rest of this season and the playoffs.

 

And just how are you going to prove that?

 

What?

[GaborBako]

Good RH power threat off the bench, something we've been lacking all year. We likely won't be giving up anything significant. Nice addition.

 

It's always fun to have a guy who is a legit threat to hit a HR off the bench, and nothing more. But he hasn't been able to do anything against RHP this year. Need to keep his playing time very limited.

 

DO you think Lou will be limiting his playing time? I see him filling in for Floyd & Murton a lot more. Which is terrible. Lou may even try to play him in CF.

 

See you in a few weeks Fox or Pie.

 

Right, because Lou is such a terrible manager. He just does dumb stuff all the time. He certainly isn't getting the most out of this team.

[Burtonbell]

No one is saying he's a good overall player. He can hit lefties and has decent pop. Those are skills that this team can use right now. That career .501 SLG he has against lefties? That would be 3rd on this team right now until Soriano gets back.

 

You don't see the point of this trade? The fact that he's a RH version of Jacque (somewhat) is the point. If he were better than that, we wouldn't have gotten him for such a low cost.

 

I don't see the point if he replaces Murton on the team. Like said above, I would rather have him than Fox right now but thats not saying much. I didn't know what his SLG was in comparison to the team, that does make me turn my head a little bit.

 

I still think the trade wont benefit the team greatly, and I will gladly eat crow on it.

 

Raisin is correct, he better not face any righties.

[badgercub]

any word or reason to think he'll be available for this afternoon's game? I'd guess not, but w=might as well ask.

 

Will be joining the team in Phoenix.

[hawkeyecub]

This move (Monroe replacing Murton) WILL cost us at least two games the rest of this season and the playoffs.

 

This is absolutely absurd.

 

If Monroe isn't used against RHP (which he shouldn't be and I don't expect him to be) then those overall stats you posted are irrelevant.

 

Vs. LHP in '07

Murton- .250/.314/.328

Monroe- .302/.317/.542

 

Murton (like the majority of this team) hasn't hit a lick against lefties this year. Monroe has. Used in that role he can help us win games.

[moorecg]

(I know some people on here will LOVE this stat)....

 

 

I think another reason he's here is because he's "Clutch"

 

His #s with RISP and 2 outs are pretty damn good...

 

.315/.383 (53 ab sample size)....

 

I bet Hendry took this into account.

[Burtonbell]

 

DO you think Lou will be limiting his playing time? I see him filling in for Floyd & Murton a lot more. Which is terrible. Lou may even try to play him in CF.

 

See you in a few weeks Fox or Pie.

 

Right, because Lou is such a terrible manager. He just does dumb stuff all the time. He certainly isn't getting the most out of this team.

 

Right, thats what I said.

I think it would be terrible if he filled in for Murton & Floyd a lot more, meaning he would face a lot more righties than lefties. His splits prove he can't hit righties.

[abuck1220]

Good RH power threat off the bench, something we've been lacking all year. We likely won't be giving up anything significant. Nice addition.

 

It's always fun to have a guy who is a legit threat to hit a HR off the bench, and nothing more. But he hasn't been able to do anything against RHP this year. Need to keep his playing time very limited.

 

DO you think Lou will be limiting his playing time? I see him filling in for Floyd & Murton a lot more. Which is terrible. Lou may even try to play him in CF.

 

See you in a few weeks Fox or Pie.

 

Right, because Lou is such a terrible manager. He just does dumb stuff all the time. He certainly isn't getting the most out of this team.

 

not saying that lou is terrible, but "getting the most out of this team?" you have to be kidding. it's a $100 mil team that's like four games over .500. if that's the "most," i don't want to see the "least."

[Burtonbell]

(I know some people on here will LOVE this stat)....

 

 

I think another reason he's here is because he's "Clutch"

 

His #s with RISP and 2 outs are pretty damn good...

 

.315/.383 (53 ab sample size)....

 

I bet Hendry took this into account.

 

It may be the only thing he took into account. :P

[CUBZ99]

Sadly, this is Matt Murton's replacement.

 

Even this year, which has been pretty bad for Matt, he's bludgeoning Monroe's numbers. Killing them.

 

Murton 2007: .251 .327 .369

Monroe 2007: .222 .264 .373

 

Murton Career:.291 .360 .441

Monroe Career:.257 .303 .448

 

Murton Age: 25

Monroe Age: 30

 

In three seasons, Murton has an 8.6 WARP3 in 774 AB. In seven seasons, Monroe has a 17.4 WARP3 in 2400 AB.

 

One of these players is younger, better at the plate, and better defensively. Throw in the fact that Monroe is the worst possible option against RHP, and they both cream lefties, and you have yet another example of the Cubs not knowing what their strengths and weaknesses are.

 

This move (Monroe replacing Murton) WILL cost us at least two games the rest of this season and the playoffs.

 

1. Monroe is likely Pagan's replacement as the CF v. LHP.

 

2. 2 wins? Laughable. PECOTA pegs Monroe as 2.9 WARP over 500 plate appearances and Murton as a 3.6 WARP over 460 plate appearances. There's not a 2 win difference between Monroe and Murton if they each played every day over the course of an entire season. The notion that there's a two win difference between them in the 10-12 games we play against LHP the rest of the season is utterly laughable.

 

I'm sick of hearing about Murton already. The guy may turn out to be a teriffic player someday, but it is apparent that Lou has some issues with him (or he is hurt) and he is not going to get a fair shot. Even if Monroe became a platoon option, he is a better option than playing Floyd or Jones against LHP. Lets hope he gets hot for a few months and can provide some sort of production.