Monroe to Cubs for PTBNL / Coats DFA'd

[TysonCBulls423]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Those signings are the only reasons why we are even in a playoff race. No one expected Derrek Lee to have 14 homers on August 23rd. No one expected Rammy to have 18 either.

[CubColtPacer]

What I think should really concern people is if he puts up a few "clutch" homers. The Cubs back into the playoffs and then Hendry signs his sorry can to a 3yr 15mill contract. Not only is Murton a better option against Lefties now he will probably be gone next year as we get Monroe for 300 ABs. This is typical LOSER MENTALITY from the biggest losers in pro sports.

 

This isn't old.

 

At all.

 

Hendry's crappy signings are.

 

Ted Lilly...good.

 

 

Marquis...decent.

Soriano...good.

DeRosa...good.

Howry...good.

Eyre...decent.

Rammy...good.

Z...good.

 

Neifi Perez...bad

Glendon Rusch...bad

Jose Macias...bad

Mike Remlinger...bad

Jeromy Burnitz...GOOD

Jacque Jones...decent

 

out of that group..when was the last deal made?

 

what's your point? they were still deals made by Hendry.

 

i fixed that for you, so that you didnt sound stupid

 

So you're saying that the Jones signing was decent and the Burnitz signing was good? Burnitz had a .770 OPS that season he played for the Cubs. That's not good for a corner outfielder. Jones was decent last year, but has been pretty awful this year outside of a good couple of weeks.

 

Jones was a big bargain last year and has been about the same amount overpaid this year. Through 1 2/3 years, he's given about as much production as could be expected for his contract. It will be the last 1 1/3 years that will figure out if it was a good deal or not.

[Rusch33]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Or we could be the White Sox?

 

Over 100m and in last place?

 

Some guys find anyway to bitch about anything that happens trade-wise.

 

We could get Albert Pujols in a trade for Derrek Lee, and sign him to a 7 year deal, and people would still complain.

 

And then we could get Vlad, and people would still complain about getting him because we traded away our best prospects.

 

it's never ending.

 

(I'm not stating Monroe is anywhere close to the talent of these two guys, but give the guy a chance before you bitch about it.)

[Handlebar McSkullet]

What I think should really concern people is if he puts up a few "clutch" homers. The Cubs back into the playoffs and then Hendry signs his sorry can to a 3yr 15mill contract. Not only is Murton a better option against Lefties now he will probably be gone next year as we get Monroe for 300 ABs. This is typical LOSER MENTALITY from the biggest losers in pro sports.

 

This isn't old.

 

At all.

 

Hendry's crappy signings are.

 

Ted Lilly...good.

 

 

Marquis...decent.

Soriano...good.

DeRosa...good.

Howry...good.

Eyre...decent.

Rammy...good.

Z...good.

 

Neifi Perez...bad

Glendon Rusch...bad

Jose Macias...bad

Mike Remlinger...bad

Jeromy Burnitz...GOOD

Jacque Jones...decent

 

out of that group..when was the last deal made?

 

what's your point? they were still deals made by Hendry.

 

i fixed that for you, so that you didnt sound stupid

 

So you're saying that the Jones signing was decent and the Burnitz signing was good? Burnitz had a .770 OPS that season he played for the Cubs. That's not good for a corner outfielder. Jones was decent last year, but has been pretty awful this year outside of a good couple of weeks.

 

Jones was a big bargain last year and has been about the same amount overpaid this year. Through 1 2/3 years, he's given about as much production as could be expected for his contract. It will be the last 1 1/3 years that will figure out if it was a good deal or not.

 

and CCP with the assist....

[KyHen]

I don't think the Jacques Jones signing was bad at all. I personally preferred him over Juan Encarnacion because I thought Jones would at least be productive out of platooning.

 

At the time they looked bad, but I don't think Jones nor Encarnacion were bad signings in hindsight -- not after seeing what guys like Juan Pierre and Eric Byrnes are getting.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jones is probably getting paid about what he should this year when factoring in CF defense.

 

Somebody mentioned Hendry's "I always liked him" mentality. I feel like I'm blanking on 1 or 2, but the only ones I can come up with right now are Barrett and Kendall, both of which turned out good(so far with Kendall)

 

Any help on others?

[Abe Frohman]

Jeromy Burnitz did a great job for the Cubs.

[JonnyRed]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Could he predict that Soriano, Ram and D-Lee would all be injured and/or suspended? I think having them in the lineup would have resulted in a few more Ws....not to mention we're on pace for a ~ 20 game improvement from last year. The Sox are at $105, but KW is considered a genius.

[UMFan83]

What I think should really concern people is if he puts up a few "clutch" homers. The Cubs back into the playoffs and then Hendry signs his sorry can to a 3yr 15mill contract. Not only is Murton a better option against Lefties now he will probably be gone next year as we get Monroe for 300 ABs. This is typical LOSER MENTALITY from the biggest losers in pro sports.

 

This isn't old.

 

At all.

 

Hendry's crappy signings are.

 

Ted Lilly...good.

Marquis...ok.

Soriano...ok.

DeRosa...good.

Howry...decent.

Eyre...ok.

Rammy...good.

Z...good.

Perez...awful

Jones...ok

Blanco...bad

Floyd...ok

 

My corrections.

[Tracer Bullet]

Jeromy Burnitz did a great job for the Cubs.

 

No, actually he sucked.

[E.J.]

What I think should really concern people is if he puts up a few "clutch" homers. The Cubs back into the playoffs and then Hendry signs his sorry can to a 3yr 15mill contract. Not only is Murton a better option against Lefties now he will probably be gone next year as we get Monroe for 300 ABs. This is typical LOSER MENTALITY from the biggest losers in pro sports.

 

This isn't old.

 

At all.

 

Hendry's crappy signings are.

 

Ted Lilly...good.

 

 

Marquis...decent.

Soriano...good.

DeRosa...good.

Howry...good.

Eyre...decent.

Rammy...good.

Z...good.

 

Neifi Perez...bad

Glendon Rusch...bad

Jose Macias...bad

Mike Remlinger...bad

Jeromy Burnitz...GOOD

Jacque Jones...decent

 

out of that group..when was the last deal made?

 

what's your point? they were still deals made by Hendry.

 

i fixed that for you, so that you didnt sound stupid

 

So you're saying that the Jones signing was decent and the Burnitz signing was good? Burnitz had a .770 OPS that season he played for the Cubs. That's not good for a corner outfielder. Jones was decent last year, but has been pretty awful this year outside of a good couple of weeks.

 

Jones was a big bargain last year and has been about the same amount overpaid this year. Through 1 2/3 years, he's given about as much production as could be expected for his contract. It will be the last 1 1/3 years that will figure out if it was a good deal or not.

 

and CCP with the assist....

 

I love how we're all excited about a okay-sorta contract. Our outfield situation has been pretty terrible since the Sosa and Alou days, and Hendry hasn't done much to change that. He's brought in players like Jones, Burnitz, Hollandsworth, Pierre, and our outfield has been one of the worst offensively the past couple of years. He finally brought in a decent outfielder in Soriano, but had to pay over $100 million to get him.

[jersey cubs fan]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Could he predict that Soriano, Ram and D-Lee would all be injured and/or suspended? I think having them in the lineup would have resulted in a few more Ws....not to mention we're on pace for a ~ 20 game improvement from last year. The Sox are at $105, but KW is considered a genius.

 

You could predict Lee would struggle a bit considering the injury he was coming off of. And ARam banged up is no new thing. Soriano is usually healthy, but he's also not usually nearly as productive as he was last year.

 

The problem with Hendry is he expects career years and doesn't account well enough for the likelihood that guys will have setbacks. He's an optimist who thinks that if a guy hit .300 once he's a .300 hitter.

[Guest]

Jones is probably getting paid about what he should this year when factoring in CF defense.

 

Somebody mentioned Hendry's "I always liked him" mentality. I feel like I'm blanking on 1 or 2, but the only ones I can come up with right now are Barrett and Kendall, both of which turned out good(so far with Kendall)

 

Any help on others?

 

Burnitz.

[jersey cubs fan]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Or we could be the White Sox?

 

Over 100m and in last place?

 

Some guys find anyway to bitch about anything that happens trade-wise.

 

We could get Albert Pujols in a trade for Derrek Lee, and sign him to a 7 year deal, and people would still complain.

 

And then we could get Vlad, and people would still complain about getting him because we traded away our best prospects.

 

it's never ending.

 

(I'm not stating Monroe is anywhere close to the talent of these two guys, but give the guy a chance before you bitch about it.)

 

Very stupid post.

[TysonCBulls423]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Or we could be the White Sox?

 

Over 100m and in last place?

 

Some guys find anyway to bitch about anything that happens trade-wise.

 

We could get Albert Pujols in a trade for Derrek Lee, and sign him to a 7 year deal, and people would still complain.

 

And then we could get Vlad, and people would still complain about getting him because we traded away our best prospects.

 

it's never ending.

 

(I'm not stating Monroe is anywhere close to the talent of these two guys, but give the guy a chance before you bitch about it.)

 

Very stupid post.

 

It's all true.

[Tracer Bullet]

btw.. I wasnt calling you stupid, I was just trying to be funny. Burnitz's OPS was due to his inability to get on base(.322) but he was more than adaquate slugging. and for 1 year 5 million and getting 24 hr and 87 rbi's that is a fine signing. that whole team could not get on base. we hate jones because of the length of the contract, but again for 5 mil a year, last I agree his first hald this year was beyond terrible, but he has been good the entire second half, so for that signing he has been good for more than half of that time.

 

You say that as if a .435 SLG somehow justifies a terrible OBP. While an incredibly high SLG could somewhat offsets a terrible OBP, a .435 SLG doesn't really help.

[E.J.]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Or we could be the White Sox?

 

Over 100m and in last place?

 

Some guys find anyway to bitch about anything that happens trade-wise.

 

We could get Albert Pujols in a trade for Derrek Lee, and sign him to a 7 year deal, and people would still complain.

 

And then we could get Vlad, and people would still complain about getting him because we traded away our best prospects.

 

it's never ending.

 

(I'm not stating Monroe is anywhere close to the talent of these two guys, but give the guy a chance before you bitch about it.)

 

Do you seriously think we'd be complaining if we had Pujols and Vlad on the team? Come on.

[Careless]

so lou being interviewed now, sounds like he will be using monroe in "all three oufield positions" and says it's good because we will be facing a lot of lefties soon.

[TheDude]

I thought this thread might have a ridiculous amount of overreaction. Monroe replaces Fox/Pagan as the right-handed OF power bat off the bench and does so at virtually no cost to the Cubs. He has an expiring contract at the end of the year.

 

Even with his terrible OBP, this is the guy who will come in to PH when the runners are already on and Lou's looking for the long ball, not when the bases are empty. Lou's already got his favorites established for that PH role.

[Guest]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Or we could be the White Sox?

 

Over 100m and in last place?

 

Some guys find anyway to bitch about anything that happens trade-wise.

 

We could get Albert Pujols in a trade for Derrek Lee, and sign him to a 7 year deal, and people would still complain.

 

And then we could get Vlad, and people would still complain about getting him because we traded away our best prospects.

 

it's never ending.

 

(I'm not stating Monroe is anywhere close to the talent of these two guys, but give the guy a chance before you bitch about it.)

 

Very stupid post.

 

It's all true.

 

You seriously believe someone would complain about a Pujols for Lee trade or for acquiring Vlad?

 

Please.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Ted Lilly...great

Marquis...decent.

Soriano...ok.

DeRosa...great

Howry...meh

Lee.. good for the money, he hasnt been the same since the contract signing

Wood.. good he is back, pitching ok, for 1 a million

Prior.. bad

Miller.. meh, he should have signed with the cardinals, it would have saved his career

Eyre...meh

Rammy...amazing

Z...good because he wont be playing for someone else next year

Neifi Perez...great as a dfa pickup, beyond bad as a 2 year contract extension

Glendon Rusch...same as perez

Jose Macias...OMG!!! TERRIBLE!!!!

Mike Remlinger...bad

Jeromy Burnitz...good

Jacque Jones...solid yet unspectacular... if he continues for the rest of the year this turns to good

[jersey cubs fan]

point is Hendry's been damn good in the FA market and hasn't made one of his "crappy" signings in a couple of years.

 

Damn good? $100m and we're barely over .500, and he's been damn good?

 

Or we could be the White Sox?

 

Over 100m and in last place?

 

Some guys find anyway to bitch about anything that happens trade-wise.

 

We could get Albert Pujols in a trade for Derrek Lee, and sign him to a 7 year deal, and people would still complain.

 

And then we could get Vlad, and people would still complain about getting him because we traded away our best prospects.

 

it's never ending.

 

(I'm not stating Monroe is anywhere close to the talent of these two guys, but give the guy a chance before you bitch about it.)

 

Very stupid post.

 

It's all true.

 

Actually none of it is. Nobody would complain about those trades. Comparing a $100m that's about a game over .500 over 4 years of Hendry with no 90 win seasons with a last place team that won a WS 2 years ago is asinine.

 

This stupid concept that we have to be happy about anything because somebody else has it worse off is ridiculous.

 

And to top it off, this stupid post was in response to me and I wasn't even complaining about the Monroe deal.

[Tracer Bullet]

We're sure Monroe can hit LHP? Sure, he's been good this year, but last year he was terrible against LHP. In, he's rotated from good to terrible against LHP the last 5 seasons. The switch in leagues (esp ALC to NLC) should help, but I'm not banking on him crushing LHP the rest of the year. It's not like his splits are consistent year-in and year-out.

 

Maybe this is like Farns and he's great in odd-number years and terrible in even-numbered years (or was it vice versa w/ Farnsy?).

[jaxxradio]

When I heard the news that Monroe got dealt to the Cubs, my first thought was that Murton's days as a Cub are numbered or over.

 

After thinking about it, I agree with Dude, I think Monroe becomes a terrific guy in a pinch-hitting role and fortifies the bench. As far as who gets shipped out, I think Fox goes back to Iowa.

 

Bottom line is the bench gets better and the team is better.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I really like this pickup. good bench guy for the home stretch.