Cubs Trade Rob Bowen and Jerry Blevins for Jason Kendall

[abuck1220]

and like i said earlier, since there is no proof that unicorns don't exist, you should assume that they do.

 

http://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/prob/book.pdf

 

Read the first chapter on plausible reasoning. Then get back to me on your unicorn argument.

 

yeah, i'm gonna pass on that. guess i'll take an incomplete on this assignment.

 

Thank you FergieJ31, the whole stupid unicorn bit was getting old.

 

His whole bit is

 

uh oh, looks like i hurt someone's feelings. :cry:

 

When?

 

Perhaps I just enjoy pointing out that you act like a troll 99% of the time you post and rarely contribute anything even borderline intelligent?

 

that's true. thankfully we have your "beer thread" to keep this board afloat intellectually.

[C.C.]

uh oh, looks like i hurt someone's feelings. :cry:

 

When?

 

Perhaps I just enjoy pointing out that you act like a troll 99% of the time you post and rarely contribute anything even borderline intelligent?

 

First of all, that's not true. And second, no personal attacks.

 

98% of the time?

[ctcf]

and like i said earlier, since there is no proof that unicorns don't exist, you should assume that they do.

 

http://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/prob/book.pdf

 

Read the first chapter on plausible reasoning. Then get back to me on your unicorn argument.

 

yeah, i'm gonna pass on that. guess i'll take an incomplete on this assignment.

 

Thank you FergieJ31, the whole stupid unicorn bit was getting old.

 

His whole bit is

 

uh oh, looks like i hurt someone's feelings. :cry:

 

When?

 

Perhaps I just enjoy pointing out that you act like a troll 99% of the time you post and rarely contribute anything even borderline intelligent?

 

that's true. thankfully we have your "beer thread" to keep this board afloat intellectually.

 

I guess never ending condescension just counts as charm and not trolling here.

 

My bad.

[Banedon]

Enough of the back and forth guys...if you want to continue it, go crazy in PM's. Otherwise, back on topic please.

[NCCubFan]

Let's drop it. The thread is already extremely long; we don't need to make it any longer with back and forth bickering.

[CUBZ99]

Did Bruce mention whether he was as angry as Paul Sullivan about Hendry reporting the trade live on the air?

 

My guess is that he was either told about the trade and kept it quiet ; or didn't take it personal (judging solely on his comments last night).

[UMFan83]

Can't we let just this one little personal attack fight play out? It would really go a long way in making my afternoon feel a bit quicker!

[NCCubFan]

Enough of the back and forth guys...if you want to continue it, go crazy in PM's. Otherwise, back on topic please.

Great minds think alike. :D

[Soriano12]

Can't we let just this one little personal attack fight play out? It would really go a long way in making my afternoon feel a bit quicker!

 

what he said ^^^

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Someone was asking about Kendall's BABIP. Here's a breakdown from this year.

 

April .184

May .254

June .296

July .235

 

Home .274

Away .211

 

http://firstinning.com/players/Jason-Kendall-a/

 

Interestingly enough while he had definitely had a bad year, his OBP and SLG have been much worse in Oakland rather than on the road. That being said the numbers this year are still not good on the road but better then what he has done at the coliseum.

 

--------- OBP SLG

Home .231 .225

Away .287 .331

[daske17]

Can't we let just this one little personal attack fight play out? It would really go a long way in making my afternoon feel a bit quicker!

 

what he said ^^^

 

<--- starts throwing beer cups onto the field to get the feud to continue. . .

[Springfield_CUBBY]

Just curious, is a reason for Kendall's high FB rate due to the vast amount of space in foul territory in Oakland? I'd have to imagine there's gotta be a couple handful of balls that were caught there this year that wouldn't be caught in other parks.

 

While that is a unique characteristic of Oakland, then it would be within reason to expect his FB% to be high last year too. However, last year was right inline with his career. He has 104 FBs as opposed to 130 all of last year and right around 150 the previous years. I don't know anywhere that tracks pop fouls, but that'd have to be an awful lot of pop fouls this year over last to account for the disparity.

 

Also, I wonder if those would be counted as infield fly balls (most of the extended foul territory is in the IF and rarely do corner OFs make it all the way past the line to make foul catches). Hes right inline with his career on that stat.

 

Has anyone mentioned that Gerald Perry (Kendall's hitting coach last year), was heavily in favor of the trade. Maybe Perry has already pinpointed something that Kendall is not doing or believes he can easily get Kendall turned around?

 

I haven't read many of the articles to see if there are quotes from Perry, but word is that this is a Gary Hughes acquisition. I imagine though that being the hitting coach and working with Kendall last year, Perry had a pretty decent say in the matter, so if Perry wasn't behind it, thge trade probably wouldn't have happened. Actually, if Perry wasn't behind it, Hughes most likely wouldn't have even been scouting Kendall.

 

From today's Suntimes:

''We're excited about him,'' manager Lou Piniella said after the game, saying Cubs hitting coach Gerald Perry, who was Oakland's hitting coach last year, recommended the trade, which came at the conclusion of three days of discussions.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/470970,CST-SPT-cub17.article

[nilodnayr]

Just curious, is a reason for Kendall's high FB rate due to the vast amount of space in foul territory in Oakland? I'd have to imagine there's gotta be a couple handful of balls that were caught there this year that wouldn't be caught in other parks.

 

While that is a unique characteristic of Oakland, then it would be within reason to expect his FB% to be high last year too. However, last year was right inline with his career. He has 104 FBs as opposed to 130 all of last year and right around 150 the previous years. I don't know anywhere that tracks pop fouls, but that'd have to be an awful lot of pop fouls this year over last to account for the disparity.

 

Also, I wonder if those would be counted as infield fly balls (most of the extended foul territory is in the IF and rarely do corner OFs make it all the way past the line to make foul catches). Hes right inline with his career on that stat.

 

Has anyone mentioned that Gerald Perry (Kendall's hitting coach last year), was heavily in favor of the trade. Maybe Perry has already pinpointed something that Kendall is not doing or believes he can easily get Kendall turned around?

 

I haven't read many of the articles to see if there are quotes from Perry, but word is that this is a Gary Hughes acquisition. I imagine though that being the hitting coach and working with Kendall last year, Perry had a pretty decent say in the matter, so if Perry wasn't behind it, thge trade probably wouldn't have happened. Actually, if Perry wasn't behind it, Hughes most likely wouldn't have even been scouting Kendall.

 

From today's Suntimes:

''We're excited about him,'' manager Lou Piniella said after the game, saying Cubs hitting coach Gerald Perry, who was Oakland's hitting coach last year, recommended the trade, which came at the conclusion of three days of discussions.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/470970,CST-SPT-cub17.article

 

I wonder how long Hughes had been scouting Kendall. Bruce, have any idea? Is that what the three days of discussions is referencing?

[rickrolled]

damn you Gerald Perry

[Springfield_CUBBY]

Just curious, is a reason for Kendall's high FB rate due to the vast amount of space in foul territory in Oakland? I'd have to imagine there's gotta be a couple handful of balls that were caught there this year that wouldn't be caught in other parks.

 

While that is a unique characteristic of Oakland, then it would be within reason to expect his FB% to be high last year too. However, last year was right inline with his career. He has 104 FBs as opposed to 130 all of last year and right around 150 the previous years. I don't know anywhere that tracks pop fouls, but that'd have to be an awful lot of pop fouls this year over last to account for the disparity.

 

Also, I wonder if those would be counted as infield fly balls (most of the extended foul territory is in the IF and rarely do corner OFs make it all the way past the line to make foul catches). Hes right inline with his career on that stat.

 

Has anyone mentioned that Gerald Perry (Kendall's hitting coach last year), was heavily in favor of the trade. Maybe Perry has already pinpointed something that Kendall is not doing or believes he can easily get Kendall turned around?

 

I haven't read many of the articles to see if there are quotes from Perry, but word is that this is a Gary Hughes acquisition. I imagine though that being the hitting coach and working with Kendall last year, Perry had a pretty decent say in the matter, so if Perry wasn't behind it, thge trade probably wouldn't have happened. Actually, if Perry wasn't behind it, Hughes most likely wouldn't have even been scouting Kendall.

 

From today's Suntimes:

''We're excited about him,'' manager Lou Piniella said after the game, saying Cubs hitting coach Gerald Perry, who was Oakland's hitting coach last year, recommended the trade, which came at the conclusion of three days of discussions.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/470970,CST-SPT-cub17.article

 

I wonder how long Hughes had been scouting Kendall. Bruce, have any idea? Is that what the three days of discussions is referencing?

 

In an interview on CSN, Hendry mentioned that he got a call from Beane on Saturday offering Kendall. So I assume that started the 3 days of negotiations.

[swordsman]

From today's Tribune:

 

Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Gary Hughes, one of his top assistants, had scouted Kendall in Oakland the last few weeks and had come away impressed with his progress after a slow start. Kendall was hitting .297 over his last 25 games.

 

"We feel he still has a lot left in the tank," Hendry said. "Gary Hughes has been watching over him quite a bit the last two weeks. It's a good fit for us. It makes us better on the field and in the clubhouse."

 

Hendry said Kendall was excited about the trade and was expected to be in Chicago in time for Tuesday night's game against the Giants.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Just curious, is a reason for Kendall's high FB rate due to the vast amount of space in foul territory in Oakland? I'd have to imagine there's gotta be a couple handful of balls that were caught there this year that wouldn't be caught in other parks.

 

While that is a unique characteristic of Oakland, then it would be within reason to expect his FB% to be high last year too. However, last year was right inline with his career. He has 104 FBs as opposed to 130 all of last year and right around 150 the previous years. I don't know anywhere that tracks pop fouls, but that'd have to be an awful lot of pop fouls this year over last to account for the disparity.

 

Also, I wonder if those would be counted as infield fly balls (most of the extended foul territory is in the IF and rarely do corner OFs make it all the way past the line to make foul catches). Hes right inline with his career on that stat.

 

Has anyone mentioned that Gerald Perry (Kendall's hitting coach last year), was heavily in favor of the trade. Maybe Perry has already pinpointed something that Kendall is not doing or believes he can easily get Kendall turned around?

 

I haven't read many of the articles to see if there are quotes from Perry, but word is that this is a Gary Hughes acquisition. I imagine though that being the hitting coach and working with Kendall last year, Perry had a pretty decent say in the matter, so if Perry wasn't behind it, thge trade probably wouldn't have happened. Actually, if Perry wasn't behind it, Hughes most likely wouldn't have even been scouting Kendall.

 

From today's Suntimes:

''We're excited about him,'' manager Lou Piniella said after the game, saying Cubs hitting coach Gerald Perry, who was Oakland's hitting coach last year, recommended the trade, which came at the conclusion of three days of discussions.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/470970,CST-SPT-cub17.article

 

I wonder how long Hughes had been scouting Kendall. Bruce, have any idea? Is that what the three days of discussions is referencing?

 

In an interview on CSN, Hendry mentioned that he got a call from Beane on Saturday offering Kendall. So I assume that started the 3 days of negotiations.

 

That is what Hendry told Len & Bob in the booth yesterday. He did say that Beane contacted him. And that they had been in talks since Saturday. They were finally able to cut the deal yesterday. I'm guessing it took a few days to figure out the financial aspects. Plus, Beane was probably trying his hardest to get Marshall.

[abuck1220]

kendall hitting .297 over his last 25 games is the new izturis led the league in hitting for two months.

[SouthSideRyan]

kendall hitting .297 over his last 25 games is the new izturis led the league in hitting for two months.

 

It's no "Burnitz was 5th in the league in HRs among guys with 120+Ks"

[NCCubFan]

Just curious, is a reason for Kendall's high FB rate due to the vast amount of space in foul territory in Oakland? I'd have to imagine there's gotta be a couple handful of balls that were caught there this year that wouldn't be caught in other parks.

 

While that is a unique characteristic of Oakland, then it would be within reason to expect his FB% to be high last year too. However, last year was right inline with his career. He has 104 FBs as opposed to 130 all of last year and right around 150 the previous years. I don't know anywhere that tracks pop fouls, but that'd have to be an awful lot of pop fouls this year over last to account for the disparity.

 

Also, I wonder if those would be counted as infield fly balls (most of the extended foul territory is in the IF and rarely do corner OFs make it all the way past the line to make foul catches). Hes right inline with his career on that stat.

 

Has anyone mentioned that Gerald Perry (Kendall's hitting coach last year), was heavily in favor of the trade. Maybe Perry has already pinpointed something that Kendall is not doing or believes he can easily get Kendall turned around?

 

I haven't read many of the articles to see if there are quotes from Perry, but word is that this is a Gary Hughes acquisition. I imagine though that being the hitting coach and working with Kendall last year, Perry had a pretty decent say in the matter, so if Perry wasn't behind it, thge trade probably wouldn't have happened. Actually, if Perry wasn't behind it, Hughes most likely wouldn't have even been scouting Kendall.

 

From today's Suntimes:

''We're excited about him,'' manager Lou Piniella said after the game, saying Cubs hitting coach Gerald Perry, who was Oakland's hitting coach last year, recommended the trade, which came at the conclusion of three days of discussions.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/470970,CST-SPT-cub17.article

 

I wonder how long Hughes had been scouting Kendall. Bruce, have any idea? Is that what the three days of discussions is referencing?

 

In an interview on CSN, Hendry mentioned that he got a call from Beane on Saturday offering Kendall. So I assume that started the 3 days of negotiations.

 

That is what Hendry told Len & Bob in the booth yesterday. He did say that Beane contacted him. And that they had been in talks since Saturday. They were finally able to cut the deal yesterday. I'm guessing it took a few days to figure out the financial aspects. Plus, Beane was probably trying his hardest to get Marshall.

Which would explain why Bowen was DFA'd before yesterday's game. They felt they needed a 12th pitcher in case Hill struggled, but they couldn't finalize the trade details before the game started, so they needed to cut somebody from the roster to make room for Petrick. Since they knew Bowen was going to be traded anyway and they still had Hill and Soto available for last night's game it made sense to DFA Bowen. Now that Kendall is here they can send either Hill (after he clears waivers) or Soto down.

[bukie]

kendall hitting .297 over his last 25 games is the new izturis led the league in hitting for two months.

 

Referring to Hendry's rock-solid reason for the trade, or the concept that it's absurd to think it could happen with the Cubs?

[David]

kendall hitting .297 over his last 25 games is the new izturis led the league in hitting for two months.

 

I have to admit, I do find that stat encouraging, because I am having a hard time explaining his two absolutely horrid months this year after being a very good (for average) and patient hitter for his entire career. I guess it could be easily explained in his age, but he was very good at not making outs just last year.

 

I'd like to see what his OBP is over that same span.

[Mizzou]

kendall hitting .297 over his last 25 games is the new izturis led the league in hitting for two months.

 

It's no "Burnitz was 5th in the league in HRs among guys with 120+Ks"

Hahaha, I completely forgot about that.

[UMFan83]

kendall hitting .297 over his last 25 games is the new izturis led the league in hitting for two months.

 

Except Kendall has a track record of being solid in the past and Izzy had no such thing

[Springfield_CUBBY]

Just curious, is a reason for Kendall's high FB rate due to the vast amount of space in foul territory in Oakland? I'd have to imagine there's gotta be a couple handful of balls that were caught there this year that wouldn't be caught in other parks.

 

While that is a unique characteristic of Oakland, then it would be within reason to expect his FB% to be high last year too. However, last year was right inline with his career. He has 104 FBs as opposed to 130 all of last year and right around 150 the previous years. I don't know anywhere that tracks pop fouls, but that'd have to be an awful lot of pop fouls this year over last to account for the disparity.

 

Also, I wonder if those would be counted as infield fly balls (most of the extended foul territory is in the IF and rarely do corner OFs make it all the way past the line to make foul catches). Hes right inline with his career on that stat.

 

Has anyone mentioned that Gerald Perry (Kendall's hitting coach last year), was heavily in favor of the trade. Maybe Perry has already pinpointed something that Kendall is not doing or believes he can easily get Kendall turned around?

 

I haven't read many of the articles to see if there are quotes from Perry, but word is that this is a Gary Hughes acquisition. I imagine though that being the hitting coach and working with Kendall last year, Perry had a pretty decent say in the matter, so if Perry wasn't behind it, thge trade probably wouldn't have happened. Actually, if Perry wasn't behind it, Hughes most likely wouldn't have even been scouting Kendall.

 

From today's Suntimes:

''We're excited about him,'' manager Lou Piniella said after the game, saying Cubs hitting coach Gerald Perry, who was Oakland's hitting coach last year, recommended the trade, which came at the conclusion of three days of discussions.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/470970,CST-SPT-cub17.article

 

I wonder how long Hughes had been scouting Kendall. Bruce, have any idea? Is that what the three days of discussions is referencing?

 

In an interview on CSN, Hendry mentioned that he got a call from Beane on Saturday offering Kendall. So I assume that started the 3 days of negotiations.

 

That is what Hendry told Len & Bob in the booth yesterday. He did say that Beane contacted him. And that they had been in talks since Saturday. They were finally able to cut the deal yesterday. I'm guessing it took a few days to figure out the financial aspects. Plus, Beane was probably trying his hardest to get Marshall.

Which would explain why Bowen was DFA'd before yesterday's game. They felt they needed a 12th pitcher in case Hill struggled, but they couldn't finalize the trade details before the game started, so they needed to cut somebody from the roster to make room for Petrick. Since they knew Bowen was going to be traded anyway and they still had Hill and Soto available for last night's game it made sense to DFA Bowen. Now that Kendall is here they can send either Hill (after he clears waivers) or Soto down.

 

I think all signs point to Soto going down . . . :cry: