Levine: Soto called up; 3 teams interested in Izturis

[Jazz]

im hoping Dunn is the acquisition, since Griffey might cost us Marshall, and create a hole in the rotation.

If Griffey only cost us Marshall, I would be fine with that. We're not going to get him for a couple mediocre prospects and I would be fine dealing one of our soft-tossing lefties for a huge left-handed bat. Yes it would create somewhat of a hole in the 5 spot, but most other teams have that same hole.

 

but creating a hole to fix another is lateral progression. If we had someone who was near ML-ready even to take the reins over the 5th starter spot I'd be fine with moving Marshall, but since Dempster would be the best canidate when he gets back, I'd rather not go down that path.

 

gaining Griffey closes a bigger hole than losing Marshall will create

 

maybe, but when you combine the fact that you can get Dunn without giving up Marshall possibly, then Griffey becomes a less attractive option.

[mul21]

I didn't take the time to sort through all 21 pages, but did we ever hear the names of the 3 teams interested in Izturis?

[BCVM22]

I didn't take the time to sort through all 21 pages, but did we ever hear the names of the 3 teams interested in Izturis?

 

I think Toronto and Baltimore were mentioned, but I don't know if that was as part of the "3 teams" or just speculation.

[Mephistopheles]

JP Ricciardi isn't dumb enough to take Izturis off our hands. Baltimore could be.

[Bruno7481]

JP Ricciardi isn't dumb enough to take Izturis off our hands. Baltimore could be.

 

Ehhh...

 

He might not be dumb enough to take on Izturis. But he did give Burnett a stupid contract that he now regrets.

[SouthSideRyan]

JP Ricciardi is spectacularly dumb.

[oldcubsfan]

JP Ricciardi isn't dumb enough to take Izturis off our hands. Baltimore could be.

 

And you know how?

[Mephistopheles]

because he respects obp

[TruffleShuffle]

JP Ricciardi isn't dumb enough to take Izturis off our hands. Baltimore could be.

 

Ehhh...

 

He might not be dumb enough to take on Izturis. But he did give Burnett a stupid contract that he now regrets.

 

i knew that signing was a train wreck the minute it happened.

[Danny82]

Is that why he signed Royce Clayton in the offseason?

[Magnetic Curses]

i fail to see why signing burnett to a ridiculous contract or signing a journeyman ss to a small contract makes ricciardi spectacularly dumb. if his name was omitted from the book that billy beane wrote, i doubt that anyone would be harping on his mistakes.

[TruffleShuffle]

i fail to see why signing burnett to a ridiculous contract or signing a journeyman ss to a small contract makes ricciardi spectacularly dumb. if his name was omitted from the book that billy beane wrote, i doubt that anyone would be harping on his mistakes.

 

they don't... they just make him human. There isn't one GM in the game who doesn't have at least a couple of terrible moves in his past.

[SouthSideRyan]

i fail to see why signing burnett to a ridiculous contract or signing a journeyman ss to a small contract makes ricciardi spectacularly dumb. if his name was omitted from the book that billy beane wrote, i doubt that anyone would be harping on his mistakes.

 

If his name didn't appear in moneyball, I doubt anybody would care to defend him. Just because he was in the A's front office doesn't make him smart or a good GM.

[Magnetic Curses]

i fail to see why signing burnett to a ridiculous contract or signing a journeyman ss to a small contract makes ricciardi spectacularly dumb. if his name was omitted from the book that billy beane wrote, i doubt that anyone would be harping on his mistakes.

 

If his name didn't appear in moneyball, I doubt anybody would care to defend him. Just because he was in the A's front office doesn't make him smart or a good GM.

 

nobody is holding him up as a genius, here.

[RynoRules]

i fail to see why signing burnett to a ridiculous contract or signing a journeyman ss to a small contract makes ricciardi spectacularly dumb. if his name was omitted from the book that billy beane wrote, i doubt that anyone would be harping on his mistakes.

 

If his name didn't appear in moneyball, I doubt anybody would care to defend him. Just because he was in the A's front office doesn't make him smart or a good GM.

 

nobody is holding him up as a genius, here.

 

True, but I think many have given him the benefit of the doubt purely b/c of where he last was employed. He certainly hasn't done much to earn respect at this point .

[Magnetic Curses]

i fail to see why signing burnett to a ridiculous contract or signing a journeyman ss to a small contract makes ricciardi spectacularly dumb. if his name was omitted from the book that billy beane wrote, i doubt that anyone would be harping on his mistakes.

 

If his name didn't appear in moneyball, I doubt anybody would care to defend him. Just because he was in the A's front office doesn't make him smart or a good GM.

 

nobody is holding him up as a genius, here.

 

True, but I think many have given him the benefit of the doubt purely b/c of where he last was employed. He certainly hasn't done much to earn respect at this point .

 

i think people hold more against ricciardi for his association with beane than those who hold it in high regard. people always are looking for holes in the "moneyball" theory. in actuality, there is no "moneyball" theory, and ricciardi is a very different gm in a very different situation.

[RynoRules]

i fail to see why signing burnett to a ridiculous contract or signing a journeyman ss to a small contract makes ricciardi spectacularly dumb. if his name was omitted from the book that billy beane wrote, i doubt that anyone would be harping on his mistakes.

 

If his name didn't appear in moneyball, I doubt anybody would care to defend him. Just because he was in the A's front office doesn't make him smart or a good GM.

 

nobody is holding him up as a genius, here.

 

True, but I think many have given him the benefit of the doubt purely b/c of where he last was employed. He certainly hasn't done much to earn respect at this point .

 

i think people hold more against ricciardi for his association with beane than those who hold it in high regard. people always are looking for holes in the "moneyball" theory. in actuality, there is no "moneyball" theory, and ricciardi is a very different gm in a very different situation.

 

I agree that he is different and in a different situation. It may be the case that he simply does not know how to handle greater resources in light of where he learned his trade. The Burnett signing was a mistake, and he overpaid for Ryan. Now he's got his payroll tied up in knots.

 

I do credit him for re-signing Wells. Hill seems like a solid guy. Glaus is a good 3B (though he's a risk also, given his history of shoulder trouble).

 

Riccardi would have done well to follow his mentor's philosophy of exploiting undervalued assets more closely, particulary in that division.

[Magnetic Curses]

i fail to see why signing burnett to a ridiculous contract or signing a journeyman ss to a small contract makes ricciardi spectacularly dumb. if his name was omitted from the book that billy beane wrote, i doubt that anyone would be harping on his mistakes.

 

If his name didn't appear in moneyball, I doubt anybody would care to defend him. Just because he was in the A's front office doesn't make him smart or a good GM.

 

nobody is holding him up as a genius, here.

 

True, but I think many have given him the benefit of the doubt purely b/c of where he last was employed. He certainly hasn't done much to earn respect at this point .

 

i think people hold more against ricciardi for his association with beane than those who hold it in high regard. people always are looking for holes in the "moneyball" theory. in actuality, there is no "moneyball" theory, and ricciardi is a very different gm in a very different situation.

 

I agree that he is different and in a different situation. It may be the case that he simply does not know how to handle greater resources in light of where he learned his trade. The Burnett signing was a mistake, and he overpaid for Ryan. Now he's got his payroll tied up in knots.

 

I do credit him for re-signing Wells. Hill seems like a solid guy. Glaus is a good 3B (though he's a risk also, given his history of shoulder trouble).

 

Riccardi would have done well to follow his mentor's philosophy of exploiting undervalued assets more closely, particulary in that division.

 

anybody can have overpriced, oft-injured players eating up salary on their roster. burnett was a big fish that free agent year, iirc. ryan's injury couldn't have been predicted, but he was worth what ricciardi paid at the time.

[BigbadB]

He's got it tough in Toronto, also. Players don't get all excited about playing in Toronto.

 

They overpaid for players, but they pretty much need to if they want players to sign there. Tough division, another country, semi-small market.

[RynoRules]

He's got it tough in Toronto, also. Players don't get all excited about playing in Toronto.

 

They overpaid for players, but they pretty much need to if they want players to sign there. Tough division, another country, semi-small market.

 

I'll buy that, but the results are not very good. Again, he'd be better served to overhaul the scouting system (domestic and international), draft well, and bring in international FAs. That way he can control his best players without overpaying (at least to begin with).

[RynoRules]

anybody can have overpriced, oft-injured players eating up salary on their roster. burnett was a big fish that free agent year, iirc. ryan's injury couldn't have been predicted, but he was worth what ricciardi paid at the time.

 

Yeah, but Burnett's injury history was well-documented and crystal clear. If Hendry had done the same thing many would be killing him, and perhaps rightfully so. Why does Rioccardi get a pass in this respect?

[TheDude]

He's got it tough in Toronto, also. Players don't get all excited about playing in Toronto.

 

They overpaid for players, but they pretty much need to if they want players to sign there. Tough division, another country, semi-small market.

 

I'll buy that, but the results are not very good. Again, he'd be better served to overhaul the scouting system (domestic and international), draft well, and bring in international FAs. That way he can control his best players without overpaying (at least to begin with).

 

A lot of people questioned Detroit when it had to do the same thing as Toronto a few years back and overpay or take risks for guys like Pudge and Ordonez. Sometimes it works out. An out of the way market has to take this kind of gamble.

[RammyFanny]

Levine said the Cubs conitnue to talk to Pittsburgh about Cesar.

[Balsa]

Levine said the Cubs conitnue to talk to Pittsburgh about Cesar.

Oh lord yes.

 

Capps plz

[inari]

Levine said the Cubs conitnue to talk to Pittsburgh about Cesar.

 

I'm hoping against hope that it involves Xavier Nady. Or better yet, Ian Snell. :roll: