Mark Buehrle Re-Signs (This Time for Real)

[UK1679666180]

Not giving Mark that no-trade clause will prob. end up being Williams biggest mistake in his tenure (unless he gets a future prospect(s) that becomes a good ML player within his 1st 6 years).

 

4yr at 13mil is a steal for him. He's already getting close to the 10-5 rule and with his track record for health and productivity throughout his career, he's worth giving that no-trade clause to.

[Chocolate Milk]

Is Kenny acting like a hardass just for the sake of being a hardass? Seems like it to me. I can't figure out what the hell he is doing.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not giving Mark that no-trade clause will prob. end up being Williams biggest mistake in his tenure (unless he gets a future prospect(s) that becomes a good ML player within his 1st 6 years).

 

4yr at 13mil is a steal for him. He's already getting close to the 10-5 rule and with his track record for health and productivity throughout his career, he's worth giving that no-trade clause to.

 

I'm not a big Buerhle fan, but I do think Kenny is cutting off his nose to spite his face a bit here. I believe Buerhle will have 10/5 rights after 2009, depending on how they count his 2000 season. So you're talking about 2 years to get a trade done anyway. If you resign him this season, there's very little chance you are going to trade him until sometime in the 2009 season anyway. So basically, not giving him the NTC is giving you a 6-month window to deal him, which is most likely not going to happen.

[UK1679666180]

Is Kenny acting like a hardass just for the sake of being a hardass? Seems like it to me. I can't figure out what the hell he is doing.

 

While the Cubs have typically stayed away from long-term pitching contracts, the Sox have been way more aggressive in the regard. I'm surprised they offered 4 years, they haven't done that since Navarro I believe.

 

There's too much to lose for not giving him that clause especially for that contract, if the White Sox do go younger next year from a combo of new players at RF (Sweeney), SS, 2B, 3B (Fields), possibly LF, and whatever they do in CF maybe they go thru some growing pains and he's always able to waive that clause if he doesn't want to go thru that.

[UK1679666180]

Also, if he's a FA and the Cubs can't bring back Zambrano, I'd have no problem with them going after Mark despite being one of many LH'ers as I've never bought into the concept of familiarity with each pitcher.

 

While Marshall, Hill, and Lilly are typically LH'ers with plus curves they have different arm actions, different release points, different breaks on curve and iff. movements on FBs. Plus, the hitter has the night to sleep on it, likely faced diff. pitchers out of the pen, and went thru a round of BP with a pitcher throwing 50 MPH that is likely RH'ed.

[inari]

Also, if he's a FA and the Cubs can't bring back Zambrano, I'd have no problem with them going after Mark despite being one of many LH'ers as I've never bought into the concept of familiarity with each pitcher.

 

While Marshall, Hill, and Lilly are typically LH'ers with plus curves they have different arm actions, different release points, different breaks on curve and iff. movements on FBs. Plus, the hitter has the night to sleep on it, likely faced diff. pitchers out of the pen, and went thru a round of BP with a pitcher throwing 50 MPH that is likely RH'ed.

 

If Z leaves, they'd absolutely have to go for someone from the next tier to replace him. Buehrle fits that billing.

[killthegoat06]

Also, if he's a FA and the Cubs can't bring back Zambrano, I'd have no problem with them going after Mark despite being one of many LH'ers as I've never bought into the concept of familiarity with each pitcher.

 

While Marshall, Hill, and Lilly are typically LH'ers with plus curves they have different arm actions, different release points, different breaks on curve and iff. movements on FBs. Plus, the hitter has the night to sleep on it, likely faced diff. pitchers out of the pen, and went thru a round of BP with a pitcher throwing 50 MPH that is likely RH'ed.

 

If Z leaves, they'd absolutely have to go for someone from the next tier to replace him. Buehrle fits that billing.

 

Didn't Buehrle say that the cubs are the last team that he wants to play for?

[inari]

Also, if he's a FA and the Cubs can't bring back Zambrano, I'd have no problem with them going after Mark despite being one of many LH'ers as I've never bought into the concept of familiarity with each pitcher.

 

While Marshall, Hill, and Lilly are typically LH'ers with plus curves they have different arm actions, different release points, different breaks on curve and iff. movements on FBs. Plus, the hitter has the night to sleep on it, likely faced diff. pitchers out of the pen, and went thru a round of BP with a pitcher throwing 50 MPH that is likely RH'ed.

 

If Z leaves, they'd absolutely have to go for someone from the next tier to replace him. Buehrle fits that billing.

 

Didn't Buehrle say that the cubs are the last team that he wants to play for?

 

No idea, but money talks.

[killthegoat06]

Also, if he's a FA and the Cubs can't bring back Zambrano, I'd have no problem with them going after Mark despite being one of many LH'ers as I've never bought into the concept of familiarity with each pitcher.

 

While Marshall, Hill, and Lilly are typically LH'ers with plus curves they have different arm actions, different release points, different breaks on curve and iff. movements on FBs. Plus, the hitter has the night to sleep on it, likely faced diff. pitchers out of the pen, and went thru a round of BP with a pitcher throwing 50 MPH that is likely RH'ed.

 

If Z leaves, they'd absolutely have to go for someone from the next tier to replace him. Buehrle fits that billing.

 

Didn't Buehrle say that the cubs are the last team that he wants to play for?

 

No idea, but money talks.

 

Now I remember. It was 89navigator who said that Buehrle would never play for the cubs.

[davearm]

Is Kenny acting like a hardass just for the sake of being a hardass? Seems like it to me. I can't figure out what the hell he is doing.

I think there's at least a fair chance that Williams intends to trade Buehrle regardless, and correctly sees that his trade value goes up significantly if he's under contract for several years at below-market rates.

 

It'd sure be something if Buehrle caves on the NTC, signs the deal now, and then gets dealt in the next 30 days.

 

Of course more likely is that Williams waits a bit and strikes a deal to move him before the 10-5 date.

[SouthSideRyan]

I honestly think Williams doesn't want to give the NTC cause he wants to Bronson Arroyo Buehrle. Sign him for under market, then deal him off before next season begins for prospects.

[UK1679666180]

I honestly think Williams doesn't want to give the NTC cause he wants to Bronson Arroyo Buehrle. Sign him for under market, then deal him off before next season begins for prospects.

 

That's exactly why he's doing it and that's the same reason why they asked for a no-trade clause so it doesn't happen. His trade value shoots thru the roof is he's signed for that contract.

[Brian]

No idea, but money talks.

 

And the Cubs won't be spending any this offseason.

[oldcubsfan]

I doubt the Cubs would have 4 lefties starting.

[UK1679666180]

I doubt the Cubs would have 4 lefties starting.

 

Odd how that works. (stupid really)

 

Lilly, Hill, Buerhle, and Marshall have all shown they can retire RH'ed batters yet it's an assumption that hitters will get better after seeing too many LH'ers in a row.

 

Yet, it doesn't apply to RH'ers despite the Cubs going with 5 RH'ers for much of the last 25 years.

 

Baseball's backwards thinking at its finest.

 

If a LH'er has deception, can locate with movement and has an out pitch, he can do well if the entire team was LH'ed pitchers.

[oldcubsfan]

I doubt the Cubs would have 4 lefties starting.

 

Odd how that works. (stupid really)

 

Lilly, Hill, Buerhle, and Marshall have all shown they can retire RH'ed batters yet it's an assumption that hitters will get better after seeing too many LH'ers in a row.

 

Yet, it doesn't apply to RH'ers despite the Cubs going with 5 RH'ers for much of the last 25 years.

 

Baseball's backwards thinking at its finest.

 

If a LH'er has deception, can locate with movement and has an out pitch, he can do well if the entire team was LH'ed pitchers.

But when most are similiar in the stuff they throw, it is hard to throw 4 out of 5 days. Sorry, it is good baseball thinking, not backwards. You need to show batters different looks..

[UK1679666180]

They each have different arm actions, different release point, different breaks on the curve, diff. movement on the FBs, etc.

Lilly throws more sliders than Hill and Marshall, Lilly locates his Fb differently than Marshall. Hill has the most deception among the 3 LH'ers.

 

Buehrle relies on a cutter and his change as his out pitches, unlike the other 3.

 

As I mentioned earlier, if a hitter faces some relievers, sleeps the night, goes thru BP, warm-ups, etc. and then faces a pitcher with a diff. arm action, release point, and movement he'll be staring over again as far as depth perception, etc.

 

Right now, you have 3 Lh'ers who have pitched well for the most part, I doubt 4 would be the breaking point espec. one that doesn't have the same pitches as them.

 

So you're basically saying that if a pitcher locates well w/his pitches, creates deception, and keeps hitters off-balance that he will struggle b/c they faced a LH'er the game before.

 

Obviously most series are 3 game series and with the large # of Rh'ed pitchers, except for the 3rd game, it throws that thought process out of whack as far as familiarity.

 

Buehrle would be one of the best pitchers in the NL this year if he was on the Cubs regardless of who the other 4 are.

 

I'd much rather see Buehrle than a less productive RH'ed pitcher.

[YearofDaCubs]

I think Buerhle will resign with the WSox when it's all said and done.

[soccer10k]

Also, if he's a FA and the Cubs can't bring back Zambrano, I'd have no problem with them going after Mark despite being one of many LH'ers as I've never bought into the concept of familiarity with each pitcher.

 

While Marshall, Hill, and Lilly are typically LH'ers with plus curves they have different arm actions, different release points, different breaks on curve and iff. movements on FBs. Plus, the hitter has the night to sleep on it, likely faced diff. pitchers out of the pen, and went thru a round of BP with a pitcher throwing 50 MPH that is likely RH'ed.

 

If Z leaves, they'd absolutely have to go for someone from the next tier to replace him. Buehrle fits that billing.

 

Didn't Buehrle say that the cubs are the last team that he wants to play for?

 

No idea, but money talks.

 

Now I remember. It was 89navigator who said that Buehrle would never play for the cubs.

 

Well, he is a Cardinals fan.

[killthegoat06]

Also, if he's a FA and the Cubs can't bring back Zambrano, I'd have no problem with them going after Mark despite being one of many LH'ers as I've never bought into the concept of familiarity with each pitcher.

 

While Marshall, Hill, and Lilly are typically LH'ers with plus curves they have different arm actions, different release points, different breaks on curve and iff. movements on FBs. Plus, the hitter has the night to sleep on it, likely faced diff. pitchers out of the pen, and went thru a round of BP with a pitcher throwing 50 MPH that is likely RH'ed.

 

If Z leaves, they'd absolutely have to go for someone from the next tier to replace him. Buehrle fits that billing.

 

Didn't Buehrle say that the cubs are the last team that he wants to play for?

 

No idea, but money talks.

 

Now I remember. It was 89navigator who said that Buehrle would never play for the cubs.

 

Well, he is a Cardinals fan.

 

At first I thought you were talking about navigator. :D

[BCVM22]

Deal's done.

 

White Sox sign LHP Buehrle to four-year deal

 

No word on exact money/options/clauses.

[Shilzzz]

he got away without giving him a no trade clause. i can't believe it.

[Keener98]

Wow Buehrle caved. He must have really really wanted to stay in Chicago. Odds of him being traded within 2 years of this deal? Ill say 85%

[Flames24Rulz]

Wow Buehrle caved. He must have really really wanted to stay in Chicago. Odds of him being traded within 2 years of this deal? Ill say 85%

 

I don't think he'll be traded. I do think Contreras is as good as gone.

[Keener98]

Wow Buehrle caved. He must have really really wanted to stay in Chicago. Odds of him being traded within 2 years of this deal? Ill say 85%

 

I don't think he'll be traded. I do think Contreras is as good as gone.

 

I think Contreras is gone before july 31, but Ill be surprised if Buerhrle reaches 10-5 while a White Sox