Jacque Jones Deal to Marlins is Off Because of Hendry

[cbbryan]

Jones trade talks fizzle

 

Doesn't sound like Zell had anything to do with it.

 

"It's unfortunate," Hendry said, referring to the fact Jones already had heard the rumors.

 

Hendry is unlikely to go back to the Marlins, who may want the Cubs to pay more of Jones salary than Hendry would like. The Cubs reportedly were willing to assume $6.6 million of the remaining $7.2 million on Jones' contract through 2008 when the deal collapsed.

 

"It wasn't really a good deal for us," Hendry said. "We got close in one scenario and talked to some other clubs [Monday], and I have another scenario. I just felt like I wasn't going to get rushed into it and make a deal that I didn't think was good for us, so it didn't get done."

 

So $6.6 million wasn't enough for the Marlins? Sheesh...$6.6 million was way too much to begin with Jim. Glad you finally woke up before Larry really stuck it to you.

 

I'm more interested in what "I have another scenario" means. What team and what player?

Actually, I'm most interested in the part that Zell had nothing to do with it. I was getting seriously (even more) concerned for the long-term future of this team if Zell was starting off his tenure in such a way. I think if Zell had nothing to do with this deal not happening, that's the best big picture news for the Cubs this whole thing has to offer so far.

 

It might concern me if Zell was the guy that was going to keep the Cubs, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The Cubs will probably be be spun off right away and whomever that person/company is will probably have some power over personel as Zell seems to have right now.

 

So, I'm less concerned with Zell as some seem to be.

 

I hope that made sense! I need to sleep! LOL!

[badgercub]

Did they get a mermaid?

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/images/fan_forum/im_mermaid_fanforum_061206.jpg

 

Shoot, i was really hoping for a mermaid.

[dew1679666265]

Jones trade talks fizzle

 

Doesn't sound like Zell had anything to do with it.

 

"It's unfortunate," Hendry said, referring to the fact Jones already had heard the rumors.

 

Hendry is unlikely to go back to the Marlins, who may want the Cubs to pay more of Jones salary than Hendry would like. The Cubs reportedly were willing to assume $6.6 million of the remaining $7.2 million on Jones' contract through 2008 when the deal collapsed.

 

"It wasn't really a good deal for us," Hendry said. "We got close in one scenario and talked to some other clubs [Monday], and I have another scenario. I just felt like I wasn't going to get rushed into it and make a deal that I didn't think was good for us, so it didn't get done."

 

So $6.6 million wasn't enough for the Marlins? Sheesh...$6.6 million was way too much to begin with Jim. Glad you finally woke up before Larry really stuck it to you.

 

$6.6 mil would be quite a bit to pay a player no longer with the team, but if the deal included Graham Taylor (which Kaplan seems to think it did), it might have been worth it. This kid sounds really good.

 

Also, as far as whether Zell was involved or not, Hendry may have said what he did not wanting to go public that Zell nixed it. The GM never wants to look powerless, which Hendry is if Zell will nix any deal where we're not dumping salary.

[badgercub]

Whatever the case, You gotta bellieve that it is now imperative to get a deal done with Jacque as soon as possible. How is this going to affect things in the clubhouse?

[dew1679666265]

Whatever the case, You gotta bellieve that it is now imperative to get a deal done with Jacque as soon as possible. How is this going to affect things in the clubhouse?

 

So long as we keep winning, I think Jones' whining will probably just be ignored. It'll likely only be a problem if we start losing again.

[dew1679666265]

Did they get a mermaid?

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/images/fan_forum/im_mermaid_fanforum_061206.jpg

 

Shoot, i was really hoping for a mermaid.

 

Graham Taylor and a mermaid to be named later for Jacque. :D

[E.J.]

Bruce[/url]"]Apparently, the Jones-to-Florida deal fell apart because the Cubs wanted a better prospect from the Marlins if they were going to eat most (a reported $6.6 million) of the remainder of Jones’ contract, which has $7.2 million left through next year.

 

“We were working on some trade possibilities, working hard on one in particular,” Hendry said. “At the end of the day, I just decided it wasn’t really a good deal for us.

 

“We got close in one scenario. We talked to some other clubs yesterday about another scenario. At the end of the day, I just felt like I wasn’t going to be rushed into a deal that I didn’t think was good for us. So it didn’t get there.”

 

 

Suntimes[/url]"]One report from Florida said in the deal being discussed, the Cubs would have picked up all but the prorated minimum major-league salary this year and the 2008 minimum -- or all but about $600,000 of Jones' remaining salary obligation.

 

That would seem to be a sure deal-breaker, given the team's ownership uncertainty and difficulty in making financial obligations beyond this season. But Hendry said, ''What happened today really had nothing to do with his remaining contract.''

 

The commissioner's office, which was not happy with the Cubs' huge offseason spending, might have played a role. All cash exchanges exceeding $1 million must be approved by the commissioner.

 

Looks like Zell had nothing to do with it. Hendry just finally woke up and realized that the deal sucked.

[Soul]

Whatever the case, You gotta bellieve that it is now imperative to get a deal done with Jacque as soon as possible. How is this going to affect things in the clubhouse?

 

Nil, since everyone has known for weeks that Jacque is on the way out. I can't see this having any effect.

[USSoccer]

Isn't it more likely that the Marlins Jedi Mind tricks wore off and Hendry just said "woah, wait, this deal sucks" and called it off?

 

Gotta be. It makes no sense for someone making a multibillion dollar transaction to care about $7 million dollars.

[flynnhicks03]

Suntimes[/url]"]One report from Florida said in the deal being discussed, the Cubs would have picked up all but the prorated minimum major-league salary this year and the 2008 minimum -- or all but about $600,000 of Jones' remaining salary obligation.

 

That would seem to be a sure deal-breaker, given the team's ownership uncertainty and difficulty in making financial obligations beyond this season. But Hendry said, ''What happened today really had nothing to do with his remaining contract.''

 

The commissioner's office, which was not happy with the Cubs' huge offseason spending, might have played a role. All cash exchanges exceeding $1 million must be approved by the commissioner.

 

Why in the world would the commissioner's office care what the Cubs are spending?

[anabiono]

is this one of those things where we are never going to know the true tale?

[YearofDaCubs]

At this point, it's obvious Lou isn't playing him at all so I can live with him on the roster until the Cubs find a better deal. Getting Jones and Izturis out of the lineup and not playing is the most important, then freeing up a roster space is next. One thing about Lou I like a lot is he really does play the guys who deserve to play. Even Izturis' time has diminished and if Font and Theriot can play a decent SS he might be relegated to the bench too, because let's face it his defense isn't gold-glove like.

[Roast]

is this one of those things where we are never going to know the true tale?

 

Probably.

 

My 2 cents:

No, we were not getting the best end of this deal. But at this point, I think thats what we're going to have to do to get rid of jones. And, if it's true that Zell called off this trade because he was pissed about like 6 million dollars then that really really makes me mad. Zell (aside from having interests with the sox) has no business (technically, i suppose he does, but whatever) sticking his nose in this business. If he wont let us deal with sums of money around 6 million dollars then we are really screwed if we expect to make any sort of semi-large deal around the deadline.

[cubfan1955]

Jones trade talks fizzle

 

Doesn't sound like Zell had anything to do with it.

 

"It's unfortunate," Hendry said, referring to the fact Jones already had heard the rumors.

 

Hendry is unlikely to go back to the Marlins, who may want the Cubs to pay more of Jones salary than Hendry would like. The Cubs reportedly were willing to assume $6.6 million of the remaining $7.2 million on Jones' contract through 2008 when the deal collapsed.

 

"It wasn't really a good deal for us," Hendry said. "We got close in one scenario and talked to some other clubs [Monday], and I have another scenario. I just felt like I wasn't going to get rushed into it and make a deal that I didn't think was good for us, so it didn't get done."

 

So $6.6 million wasn't enough for the Marlins? Sheesh...$6.6 million was way too much to begin with Jim. Glad you finally woke up before Larry really stuck it to you.

 

$6.6 mil would be quite a bit to pay a player no longer with the team, but if the deal included Graham Taylor (which Kaplan seems to think it did), it might have been worth it. This kid sounds really good.

 

Also, as far as whether Zell was involved or not, Hendry may have said what he did not wanting to go public that Zell nixed it. The GM never wants to look powerless, which Hendry is if Zell will nix any deal where we're not dumping salary.

That's true. Hendry could be covering for Zell. We'll probably never know for sure. I'm not 100% convinced someone above Hendry didn't pull the rug out from under him...though I doubt if it got as far Zell. I think the money problem may be that any cash being paid out after the 2007 season could affect the sale price of the Cubs.

 

Plus this was just a mind boggling stupid trade unless the Cubs were getting a top notch prospect which I still highly doubt. Someone needs to sit JJ down and explain to him that he is not, even at his best, an everyday player and with Floyd on the roster he is not even a plattoon candidate. It doesn't matter what Hendry told him when he signed him. Things change and JJ needs to be made aware of his role on this team. Yeah, he needs to be traded but not at this price. I think Hendry should be able to do much better at the deadline. (It is Hendry though so there is no guarantee he won't deal him for next years Izturis (Bad player with bad contract))

[jersey cubs fan]

Suntimes[/url]"]One report from Florida said in the deal being discussed, the Cubs would have picked up all but the prorated minimum major-league salary this year and the 2008 minimum -- or all but about $600,000 of Jones' remaining salary obligation.

 

That would seem to be a sure deal-breaker, given the team's ownership uncertainty and difficulty in making financial obligations beyond this season. But Hendry said, ''What happened today really had nothing to do with his remaining contract.''

 

The commissioner's office, which was not happy with the Cubs' huge offseason spending, might have played a role. All cash exchanges exceeding $1 million must be approved by the commissioner.

 

Why in the world would the commissioner's office care what the Cubs are spending?

 

Is this a serious question?

 

The commish works for the owners. The owners, as a group, want to profit. Individually, the owners don't want anybody else spending money, because that drives up costs, and cuts into profit. Realistically, that's not going to happen. So, instead, they prefer to see teams spend logically, and not throw out crazy contracts that drives up the costs for everybody. In other words, they don't want to see guys handing out 3 year contracts with no-trade clauses to middle relievers, or 8 year 136 million deals for guys that aren't top of the line superstars. Owners got pissed at Hicks for the original ARod deal. Owners get pissed at Steinbrenner when he brings his payroll from $95m to $200m in just a couple of years. Owners get pissed when desperate GMs give insanely large contracts to mediocre pitchers, because that drives up costs for the rest of the pitchers.

 

Selig doesn't want to see teams throw money around willy-nilly like Hendry did this offseason. It drives up the costs for everybody else and makes his life difficult, by having to deal with other owners bitching and moaning.

[Roast]

Suntimes[/url]"]One report from Florida said in the deal being discussed, the Cubs would have picked up all but the prorated minimum major-league salary this year and the 2008 minimum -- or all but about $600,000 of Jones' remaining salary obligation.

 

That would seem to be a sure deal-breaker, given the team's ownership uncertainty and difficulty in making financial obligations beyond this season. But Hendry said, ''What happened today really had nothing to do with his remaining contract.''

 

The commissioner's office, which was not happy with the Cubs' huge offseason spending, might have played a role. All cash exchanges exceeding $1 million must be approved by the commissioner.

 

Why in the world would the commissioner's office care what the Cubs are spending?

 

Is this a serious question?

 

The commish works for the owners. The owners, as a group, want to profit. Individually, the owners don't want anybody else spending money, because that drives up costs, and cuts into profit. Realistically, that's not going to happen. So, instead, they prefer to see teams spend logically, and not throw out crazy contracts that drives up the costs for everybody. In other words, they don't want to see guys handing out 3 year contracts with no-trade clauses to middle relievers, or 8 year 136 million deals for guys that aren't top of the line superstars. Owners got pissed at Hicks for the original ARod deal. Owners get pissed at Steinbrenner when he brings his payroll from $95m to $200m in just a couple of years. Owners get pissed when desperate GMs give insanely large contracts to mediocre pitchers, because that drives up costs for the rest of the pitchers.

 

Selig doesn't want to see teams throw money around willy-nilly like Hendry did this offseason. It drives up the costs for everybody else and makes his life difficult, by having to deal with other owners bitching and moaning.

 

While I understand what you're saying.... Mail him a poster sized picture of George Steinbrenner/Brian Cashman and a note that says "suck it"

[Soriano12]

Suntimes[/url]"]One report from Florida said in the deal being discussed, the Cubs would have picked up all but the prorated minimum major-league salary this year and the 2008 minimum -- or all but about $600,000 of Jones' remaining salary obligation.

 

That would seem to be a sure deal-breaker, given the team's ownership uncertainty and difficulty in making financial obligations beyond this season. But Hendry said, ''What happened today really had nothing to do with his remaining contract.''

 

The commissioner's office, which was not happy with the Cubs' huge offseason spending, might have played a role. All cash exchanges exceeding $1 million must be approved by the commissioner.

 

Why in the world would the commissioner's office care what the Cubs are spending?

 

Is this a serious question?

 

The commish works for the owners. The owners, as a group, want to profit. Individually, the owners don't want anybody else spending money, because that drives up costs, and cuts into profit. Realistically, that's not going to happen. So, instead, they prefer to see teams spend logically, and not throw out crazy contracts that drives up the costs for everybody. In other words, they don't want to see guys handing out 3 year contracts with no-trade clauses to middle relievers, or 8 year 136 million deals for guys that aren't top of the line superstars. Owners got pissed at Hicks for the original ARod deal. Owners get pissed at Steinbrenner when he brings his payroll from $95m to $200m in just a couple of years. Owners get pissed when desperate GMs give insanely large contracts to mediocre pitchers, because that drives up costs for the rest of the pitchers.

 

Selig doesn't want to see teams throw money around willy-nilly like Hendry did this offseason. It drives up the costs for everybody else and makes his life difficult, by having to deal with other owners bitching and moaning.

 

Well if Selig had the balls, he would have found a way to get a salary cap in place. You will never get ever single owner in baseball to participate is some verbal agreement to not drive up salaries, you need a strict control system, like the cap.

[jersey cubs fan]

While I understand what you're saying.... Mail him a poster sized picture of George Steinbrenner/Brian Cashman and a note that says "suck it"

 

He doesn't much like that either, but the Yankees big spending actually results in them being regular participants in the postseason, and that drives ratings, which leads to profit. MLB likes the Yanks in the postseason. If Hendry spent big but built a great team, MLB would like that to, because the Cubs can draw in ratings. What pisses him off is seeing a Cubs team spending like mad for mediocrity.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Well if Selig had the balls, he would have found a way to get a salary cap in place. You will never get ever single owner in baseball to participate is some verbal agreement to not drive up salaries, you need a strict control system, like the cap.

 

It's not about having the balls. That's cheapshot nonsense. The system that makes it impossible for him to get a cap was in place long before he had any power. The only possible way they get a cap would involved a lockout/strike that lasts a year or two. I, for one, would prefer to avoid that scenario.

[Soriano12]

 

Well if Selig had the balls, he would have found a way to get a salary cap in place. You will never get ever single owner in baseball to participate is some verbal agreement to not drive up salaries, you need a strict control system, like the cap.

 

It's not about having the balls. That's cheapshot nonsense. The system that makes it impossible for him to get a cap was in place long before he had any power. The only possible way they get a cap would involved a lockout/strike that lasts a year or two. I, for one, would prefer to avoid that scenario.

 

If that is what needed to be done so be it. MLB would have won in the end and the players would have caved.

 

The NFL bit the same bullet to get a cap in place, and it was the best thing ever for their sport.

Edited June 27, 2007 by Soriano12

[cubfan1955]

is this one of those things where we are never going to know the true tale?

 

Probably.

 

My 2 cents:

No, we were not getting the best end of this deal. But at this point, I think thats what we're going to have to do to get rid of jones. And, if it's true that Zell called off this trade because he was pissed about like 6 million dollars then that really really makes me mad. Zell (aside from having interests with the sox) has no business (technically, i suppose he does, but whatever) sticking his nose in this business. If he wont let us deal with sums of money around 6 million dollars then we are really screwed if we expect to make any sort of semi-large deal around the deadline.

If indeed Zell had any part in nixing this deal it could be that he saved us from another bone-headed move by Hendry.

 

As far as adding a player at the deadline, I doubt if it would be a problem to add a player to the payroll that is going to play for us. The problem is paying a player to play for another team.

[BigbadB]

Someone needs to sit JJ down and explain to him that he is not, even at his best, an everyday player and with Floyd on the roster he is not even a plattoon candidate.

 

I don't think it needs to be explained to him. How long has he been on the trade block now? He's wanted out of Chicago for quite some time. MLB has spoken. If the best offer for Jones is a fringe prospect if the Cubs pick up his entire salary for the remainder of his contract, doesn't sound like anyone else values Jones as a starter, either.

[NCCubFan]

Thread title changed once again since it now seems questionable whether Zell had anything to do with this. This thread may set a record for most changes in title. :D

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Well if Selig had the balls, he would have found a way to get a salary cap in place. You will never get ever single owner in baseball to participate is some verbal agreement to not drive up salaries, you need a strict control system, like the cap.

 

It's not about having the balls. That's cheapshot nonsense. The system that makes it impossible for him to get a cap was in place long before he had any power. The only possible way they get a cap would involved a lockout/strike that lasts a year or two. I, for one, would prefer to avoid that scenario.

 

If that is what needed to be done so be it. MLB would have won in the end and the players would have caved.

 

The NFL bit the same bullet to get a cap in place, and it was the best thing ever for their sport.

 

I don't believe you understand much about the history of collective bargaining in baseball and football.

[RedIvyCub]

is this one of those things where we are never going to know the true tale?

 

Yes... :(