Cubs trade Barrett to Padres for Rob Bowen & Kyler Burke

[Guancous]

prospect (granted he's low level but so was Dontrelle Willis when we traded him).

 

Dontrelle Willis was a successful low level prospect when they traded him away. The guy the Cubs got has been awful in rookie ball and low A ball.

 

Point taken, but if you believe as I do, that the Cubs should be sellers and our next chance to make a solid run at the division will be 2009, the trade makes sense. Getting anything is better than getting nothing for a guy that isn't a part of the Cubs long term plans anyway.

 

I think the Cubs can and should make a solid run at the division in 2007, 2008 and 2009.

 

Amen. This team is still in the hunt now. Wait until they get Soriano, Lee and Ramirez playing together without suspension or injuries looming. The bullpen looks better of late. The Cubs also have the trade pieces and payroll flexibility to make major moves. They're on pace for a 20 game improvement. I wouldn't mortgage the future OR hold a complete fire sale. This team is a quality SS away from being one of the top 3 teams in the league.

[98navigator]

anyone heard since this news broke so early today if either player will be able to play in tonights games? I don't know who would back up hill if not.

 

Catcher Michael Barrett has been traded from the Cubs to San Diego for backup catcher Rob Bowen, and was expected to be in the Padres' lineup Wednesday night.

 

Cubs.com

[nolanwood]

Is hyperbole the word of choice in this thread?

 

I was thinking the same thing. It's the new sample size.

 

jesus, what? do you even know what hyperbole means?

 

Um yes, but I'm guessing you don't understand what I'm talking about. Hyperbole has been used a lot as a catch all by people complaining about others complaining about the trade. It's been used inappropriately as well. Similarly, sample size has been used ad nauseum and inappropriately at times on this board.

 

I thought your remark was pretty straightforward the first time...

[E.J.]

hyperbole is clearly a myth.

 

That was a clutch quote abuck.

[E.J.]

So what is going on with the catcher's position? Hendry doesn't really plan on having Hill and Bowen as the catchers on the team, does he? Does this mean we're going to see Soto soon?

[Amazing_Grace]

prospect (granted he's low level but so was Dontrelle Willis when we traded him).

 

Dontrelle Willis was a successful low level prospect when they traded him away. The guy the Cubs got has been awful in rookie ball and low A ball.

 

Point taken, but if you believe as I do, that the Cubs should be sellers and our next chance to make a solid run at the division will be 2009, the trade makes sense. Getting anything is better than getting nothing for a guy that isn't a part of the Cubs long term plans anyway.

 

I think the Cubs can and should make a solid run at the division in 2007, 2008 and 2009.

 

This is just wrong. The Cubs are a fundamentally flawed team. They have overpaid for the wrong players. They have failed to develop young, cheap talent, and I can't imagine payroll going much higher than what it already is. They have ignored plate discipline, OBP, and offense in general to the point where we are counting on non-prospects like Theriot and Fontenot and role players like DeRosa and Floyd because the main pieces that we're paying in the 10s of millions aren't good enough to carry an offense on their own. This is the same organization that just sent Murton to the minors while still running Jones out there every single day, and moved Soriano back to LF instead of RF. 2009 may not even be a good year, but at least after 08, Eyre, Dempster, and Jones go off the books (whether they're playing for the Cubs or someone else I suspect the Cubs will be paying them).

 

I've said this before and it bears repeating. The Cubs will do NOTHING this offseason beyond resigning current players and picking up cheap fill space players to round out the roster. The ownership change will consume most of, if not the entire, offseason. When was the last time you saw a team make big moves in an offseason where the ownership changed? It will take years to unmake the mess Hendry has created.

Edited June 20, 2007 by Amazing_Grace

[jersey cubs fan]

hyperbole is clearly a myth.

 

That was a clutch quote abuck.

 

Let's see what he can do when it matters.

[abuck1220]

prospect (granted he's low level but so was Dontrelle Willis when we traded him).

 

Dontrelle Willis was a successful low level prospect when they traded him away. The guy the Cubs got has been awful in rookie ball and low A ball.

 

Point taken, but if you believe as I do, that the Cubs should be sellers and our next chance to make a solid run at the division will be 2009, the trade makes sense. Getting anything is better than getting nothing for a guy that isn't a part of the Cubs long term plans anyway.

 

I think the Cubs can and should make a solid run at the division in 2007, 2008 and 2009.

 

Amen. This team is still in the hunt now. Wait until they get Soriano, Lee and Ramirez playing together without suspension or injuries looming. The bullpen looks better of late. The Cubs also have the trade pieces and payroll flexibility to make major moves. They're on pace for a 20 game improvement. I wouldn't mortgage the future OR hold a complete fire sale. This team is a quality SS away from being one of the top 3 teams in the league.

 

now that's some optimism.

[daske17]

hyperbole is clearly a myth.

 

That was a clutch quote abuck.

 

Who's hyperbole?

[E.J.]

prospect (granted he's low level but so was Dontrelle Willis when we traded him).

 

Dontrelle Willis was a successful low level prospect when they traded him away. The guy the Cubs got has been awful in rookie ball and low A ball.

 

Point taken, but if you believe as I do, that the Cubs should be sellers and our next chance to make a solid run at the division will be 2009, the trade makes sense. Getting anything is better than getting nothing for a guy that isn't a part of the Cubs long term plans anyway.

 

I think the Cubs can and should make a solid run at the division in 2007, 2008 and 2009.

 

This is just wrong. The Cubs are a fundamentally flawed team. They have overpaid for the wrong players. They have failed to develop young, cheap talent, and I can't imagine payroll going much higher than what it already is. They have ignored plate discipline, OBP, and offense in general to the point where we are counting on non-prospects like Theriot and Fontenot and role players like DeRosa and Floyd because the main pieces that we're paying in the 10s of millions aren't good enough to carry an offense on their own. This is the same organization that just sent Murton to the minors while still running Jones out there every single day, and moved Soriano back to LF instead of RF. 2009 may not even be a good year, but at least after 08, Eyre, Dempster, and Jones go off the books (whether they're playing for the Cubs or someone else I suspect the Cubs will be paying them).

 

I've said this before and it bears repeating. The Cubs will do NOTHING this offseason beyond resigning current players and picking up cheap fill space players to round out the roster. The ownership change will consume most of, if not the entire, offseason. When was the last time you saw a team make big moves in an offseason where the ownership changed?

 

He didn't say they'd make a run at a World Series, just a division title. Not very hard when you're playing in the crapple NL Central. I do agree that the Cubs will do nothing this offseason with the sale of the team going on. We can only hope that the new owners cleans house and gets some new people in here who understand the value of a walk.

[jjgman21]

I cant believe some of you people believe that the Cubs would get MORE from Barrett then what we got today.

 

He's a FA after this year, and has a TON of drama associated with him. He can't work a walk, and is always first pitch swinging. Throw in that he's been horrible offensively, and his defense/gamecalling is absolute garbage.

 

 

Even if Bowen and the prospect don't pan out, this is addition by subtraction. Instead of giving him PT and knowing he'll call a crappy game, we get somebody that according to SCOUTING reports is above average defensively, cheap, and his obp is nice.

 

Thats good enough for me. Barrett was horrible.

 

I'd rather have a first round pick instead of someone who already showed signs of being a bust and a bag of custard than someone who will block one of our best prospects.

[UK1679666180]

 

This is just wrong. The Cubs are a fundamentally flawed team. They have overpaid for the wrong players. They have failed to develop young, cheap talent, and I can't imagine payroll going much higher than what it already is. They have ignored plate discipline, OBP, and offense in general to the point where we are counting on non-prospects like Theriot and Fontenot and role players like DeRosa and Floyd because the main pieces that we're paying in the 10s of millions aren't good enough to carry an offense on their own. This is the same organization that just sent Murton to the minors while still running Jones out there every single day, and moved Soriano back to LF instead of RF. 2009 may not even be a good year, but at least after 08, Eyre, Dempster, and Jones go off the books (whether they're playing for the Cubs or someone else I suspect the Cubs will be paying them).

 

I've said this before and it bears repeating. The Cubs will do NOTHING this offseason beyond resigning current players and picking up cheap fill space players to round out the roster. The ownership change will consume most of, if not the entire, offseason. When was the last time you saw a team make big moves in an offseason where the ownership changed?

 

Yet, they'll still compete in the NL Central unless something dramatic happens with the other 5 teams.

[abuck1220]

has hendry re-decided he likes guys who can catch the ball?

[nilodnayr]

This is the type of trade a SELLING team at the deadline makes. Frankly, given the fact that Barrett probably will be a Type A FA and that the FA catching market is going to have a ton of supply, I don't see why it is necessary to lock up that position now by getting rid of the guy who when injury/suspension strikes is your clean up hitter. I would have been fine riding Barrett out (hes a notoriously streaky hitter who right now has a BABIP 30 points lower than what he should) until the end of the season and letting him walk to pick up the draft pick and signing someone else in FA. This however, downgrades our offense for the rest of the season, doesn't allow us to pick up a draft pick, and could mean that we won't sign one of the many catchers that will be available.

 

Selling teams don't dump players for little return. Selling teams have an interest in the near future, looking for players near MLB ready to make an impact in the next 2 years.

 

Well I'm assuming Hendry believes Bowen to make a contribution in the next 2 years, but I dont see how he can think hes an upgrade now.

[CubinNY]

just for a re-cap...Did we give up anything other than Barrett? And what else are we getting besides Bowen.

 

thanks.

 

barrett for bowen and A prospect OF Kyler Burke. Extremely mixed opinions on both. Burke very raw but has big potential to break or bust.

 

Cash is involved and espn is reporting it's the padres that are recieving it. no real surprise there.

I haven't decided if this is a good trade or a bad trade for the Cubs.

 

The offense is severely challanged, but I haven't liked Barrett's play for a while, starting in Philly in 2005.

 

It's hard to say, I guess this trade hurts the Cubs and was unnecessary. I guess that's my opinion. I don't know if it was a bad trade in terms of talent.

 

However, I will say I wish the Cubs would have drafter Weiters. Catching is one of the hardest positins to fill (with talent).

[BigbadB]

Trade threads tend to bring strong reactions. Get used to it for you are a newbie. Get over it if you don't like it.

 

Hyperbole was here before you ever signed up (not singling out anyone in particular) and it will be here long after we are all gone.

 

And I believe that's the first time I've ever even typed that word in my life.

[CubColtPacer]

So what is going on with the catcher's position? Hendry doesn't really plan on having Hill and Bowen as the catchers on the team, does he? Does this mean we're going to see Soto soon?

 

I think you will see Bowen and Hill for a while at least. Soto might come up later in the year. Of course, this team has made so many out of the blue moves so far this year that almost nothing will surprise me anymore.

[jersey cubs fan]

This team is a quality SS away from being one of the top 3 teams in the league.

 

now that's some optimism.

 

I would bet that if you took the same team and replaced Izturis with ARod, they'd be pretty darn close to having a top 3 record in the NL.

[inari]

One of my favorite Cubs in recent memory. Stupid? Yes. I'll miss him though.

[Guancous]

It's hard to be a Cubs fan for too long without a trace of optimism. This team will get better after Jones gets traded. There's no reason for Izturis to play in 2008. Young pitchers like Marshall, Cherry and Marmol are developing. Pie looks like a future stud. Tom Wilken has a strong reputation for drafting quality players. The Cubs future is brighter than anyone else's in the NL Central except the Brewers.

[moorecg]

Has it been noted that this might mean something re: Hendry? Barrett was a love child of his a few years ago...not he ships him out...is there anything to be read into that?

[jersey cubs fan]

I haven't decided if this is a good trade or a bad trade for the Cubs.

 

It's the ambivalence trade.

[anabiono]

stupid doesn't even cover it

 

dumb as a rock is more like it

 

now

 

hopefully he can play a hand injecting a little bit of instability in the rotation over there in borderland

[jersey cubs fan]

Has it been noted that this might mean something re: Hendry? Barrett was a love child of his a few years ago...not he ships him out...is there anything to be read into that?

 

He's trying to do whatever Lou wants him to do, similar to how he tried to satisfy Baker's demands (for more speed, etc).

[Guest]

Soto has caught 2 of the last 3 games for Iowa, it looks like he's getting healthy. He better get a chance at the bigs once fully healthy.