Lilly tossed....

[Soul]

I was wondering that too. But when I heard the audio, even when Wolf was motioning like it was a warning, he was saying "that's it" and then "you're done" a little afterwards.

 

Seems like Wolf just made the wrong signal, which just adds to my opinion he's not a real solid ump. Actually I think he sucks to all unholy hell, but hey what can I say I'm trying not to put my fist through a wall right now.

 

That's in, you're done means there will be no more plunking. It wasn't until after that that Wolf changed his mind and decided to throw Lilly out. It was more than just a wrong signal, it was complete umpire incompetence.

 

Alright, I didn't take it that way during the game, but admittedly my head was showing visible signs of imminent explosion.

[abuck1220]

well, the atlanta journal constitution has gotten to the bottom of this...

 

The win wasn't secure until Soriano, who'd homered three times Friday to amp up tensions, lined out hard in the ninth inning.

 

there you have it. all soriano's fault for being so good.

[Soul]

well, the atlanta journal constitution has gotten to the bottom of this...

 

The win wasn't secure until Soriano, who'd homered three times Friday to amp up tensions, lined out hard in the ninth inning.

 

there you have it. all soriano's fault for being so good.

 

My God.

 

I feel like the world just turned upside down. Did we just get transported to bizarro world or something? Yes, let's blame it on Soriano for 'amping up tensions' with his homers.

[CubColtPacer]

Sportscenter said that the Braves were more angry about Soriano trying to stretch a single into a double during a blowout in Friday night's game.

[Soul]

Sportscenter said that the Braves were more angry about Soriano trying to stretch a single into a double during a blowout in Friday night's game.

 

*cues twilight zone theme*

 

Yes, ESPN. Find a way to deflect blame like the tools you are.

[jjgman21]

Sportscenter said that the Braves were more angry about Soriano trying to stretch a single into a double during a blowout in Friday night's game.

 

so if the Braves were known to be angry, why wasn't Tschida expecting retaliation on Saturday and eject Hudson immediately?

[jjgman21]

MLB justified its suspension of Lou with 'cracking down on misbehavior.' other misbehaviors they have been trying to crack down on are beanball wars and other actions that endanger the well being of the players.

 

will the lack of punishment to Renteria, Hudson and Cox while Lilly does get suspended push some of you into jjgman21's tin foil hat realm of 'MLB has it out for the Cubs?'

[gflore34]

If Lilly somehow ends of with a suspension because of the Umpire' interpretation of his hitting Renteria intentionally. There's no way Renteria shouldn't be suspended as well, after all, there was obvious intent on his part to injure Fotenot. By the way, is there a process by which Cubs could send the graphic evidence of Renteria' actions to MLB and request that he, along with Wolf, be suspened/fined?

[CubColtPacer]

Sportscenter said that the Braves were more angry about Soriano trying to stretch a single into a double during a blowout in Friday night's game.

 

*cues twilight zone theme*

 

Yes, ESPN. Find a way to deflect blame like the tools you are.

 

They didn't try to deflect blame-that's just why they said the Braves were angry. They showed Soriano getting hit yesterday, showed Renteria getting hit and then the conversation between Lou and the home plate umpire about why Lilly got thrown out of the game (and it was obvious from the way the anchor said that Lilly got tossed that he didn't agree with it at all) and then showed Renteria's forearm hitting Fontenot. They did a pretty good job of it-I just wish it had been further up in the show so maybe more people could have seen the highlights and be outraged themselves.

[Soul]

MLB justified its suspension of Lou with 'cracking down on misbehavior.' other misbehaviors they have been trying to crack down on are beanball wars and other actions that endanger the well being of the players.

 

will the lack of punishment to Renteria, Hudson and Cox while Lilly does get suspended push some of you into jjgman21's tin foil hat realm of 'MLB has it out for the Cubs?'

 

No tin foil hat required, I'm afraid.

 

It's been clear for years some umps just don't like the Cubs. I find it difficult to believe Selig doesn't have some deep-seeded angst towards us, though he would never let it show. He's from Milwaukee and they've had to sit and watch the Cubs get ratings and attention that they never could get for decades. If you listen to some of the radio announcers in Milwaukee and Madison, it becomes obvious that the Cubs' fanbase and success really burns Brewer fans. They hate it, resent it -- I find it difficult to believe somewhere inside Selig doesn't share those feelings.

 

Don't think Brewer fans aren't laughing and celebrating over this. Selig? He's a Brewer fan.

[jersey cubs fan]

MLB justified its suspension of Lou with 'cracking down on misbehavior.' other misbehaviors they have been trying to crack down on are beanball wars and other actions that endanger the well being of the players.

 

will the lack of punishment to Renteria, Hudson and Cox while Lilly does get suspended push some of you into jjgman21's tin foil hat realm of 'MLB has it out for the Cubs?'

 

No.

 

The fact of the matter is MLB's stupid rules allow this sort of stuff to happen. It's unfair, but it's not anti-Cubs.

 

The first pitcher to hit a guy almost always gets away with it (Hudson). Lilly plunking Renteria was kind of blatant. Personally I think they should have left it there, and then it's done. But due to the rules, the ump felt he needed to toss Lilly, and when a pitcher is tossed by an ump, MLB's punishment often comes down on that player, regardless of what Cox or Hudson did.

 

As for Renteria, you can make a case that what he did more or less follows the guidelines of what is acceptable, it's similar to what ARod did a couple weeks ago and he wasn't punished. I think that if Lilly gets a suspension, then out of fairness MLB should suspend Renteria. But then you get into the debate about equivalency between starting pitcher suspensions and position player suspensions.

 

The best option is no suspensions, except for the umps, and a cleaning up of these stupid rules about how to handle ejections/warnings.

[cubfan]

"It was just kind of weird," said Lilly, who had struck out the first two batters he had faced. "The fact that he told me that he was ready for this to happen and anticipated this, if that were the case, I don't understand why he wouldn't warn me before the game.

 

"Normally, if that's what he's expecting, I don't know why he delayed and then made his decision as late as he did. It was kind of strange. It just gets a little bit ridiculous. Guys have to pitch inside. I have to. You go over and look at tape, I pitch inside."

 

more here.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070611&content_id=2019342&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

I hope somebody askes Wolf why he decided that with 2 strikeouts in the first inning, nobody on and an 0-2 count would be a perfect time for Lilly to hit a batter.

 

people keep saying this and I don't know why. it was a 2-0 pitch. I have no doubt in my mind it was intentional, just as there is no doubt in my mind Hudson's was intentional. that element isn't even needed to question exactly what the umpires were thinking and coming to the conclusion that they were out to screw the Cubs.

 

what someone should ask is why Tschida wasn't "expecting it" the night before. if you're going to pre-judge one team, you should pre-judge the other. what also must be asked is why Wolf issued warnings, then decided to kick Lilly out after escorting Renteria to first.

 

I missed that start of the game and all of the events that lead to Lilly's getting kicked out but everyone has said it is a 0-2 count including newspapers.

 

Cubs starter Ted Lilly had no idea what that something was, but quickly found out when his 10th pitch of the game, an 0-2 inside fastball, hit Atlanta shortstop Edgar Renteria and caused both benches and bullpens to empty. It was an ejection, much to Lilly's surprise.

 

are you sure it wasn't a 0-2 count? Seems like a big detail to be missed by everyone but you

[CubColtPacer]

"It was just kind of weird," said Lilly, who had struck out the first two batters he had faced. "The fact that he told me that he was ready for this to happen and anticipated this, if that were the case, I don't understand why he wouldn't warn me before the game.

 

"Normally, if that's what he's expecting, I don't know why he delayed and then made his decision as late as he did. It was kind of strange. It just gets a little bit ridiculous. Guys have to pitch inside. I have to. You go over and look at tape, I pitch inside."

 

more here.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070611&content_id=2019342&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

I hope somebody askes Wolf why he decided that with 2 strikeouts in the first inning, nobody on and an 0-2 count would be a perfect time for Lilly to hit a batter.

 

people keep saying this and I don't know why. it was a 2-0 pitch. I have no doubt in my mind it was intentional, just as there is no doubt in my mind Hudson's was intentional. that element isn't even needed to question exactly what the umpires were thinking and coming to the conclusion that they were out to screw the Cubs.

 

what someone should ask is why Tschida wasn't "expecting it" the night before. if you're going to pre-judge one team, you should pre-judge the other. what also must be asked is why Wolf issued warnings, then decided to kick Lilly out after escorting Renteria to first.

 

I missed that start of the game and all of the events that lead to Lilly's getting kicked out but everyone has said it is a 0-2 count including newspapers.

 

Cubs starter Ted Lilly had no idea what that something was, but quickly found out when his 10th pitch of the game, an 0-2 inside fastball, hit Atlanta shortstop Edgar Renteria and caused both benches and bullpens to empty. It was an ejection, much to Lilly's surprise.

 

are you sure it wasn't a 0-2 count? Seems like a big detail to be missed by everyone but you

 

It was definitely a 2-0 count, not an 0-2 count. Lilly missed pretty badly with his first two pitches, which gives him a little credence that the third pitch just happened to miss badly as well.

 

Here's a link to the play by play that confirms that:

 

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/playbyplay/MLB_20070610_CHC@ATL

[Soul]

MLB justified its suspension of Lou with 'cracking down on misbehavior.' other misbehaviors they have been trying to crack down on are beanball wars and other actions that endanger the well being of the players.

 

will the lack of punishment to Renteria, Hudson and Cox while Lilly does get suspended push some of you into jjgman21's tin foil hat realm of 'MLB has it out for the Cubs?'

 

No.

 

The fact of the matter is MLB's stupid rules allow this sort of stuff to happen. It's unfair, but it's not anti-Cubs.

 

The first pitcher to hit a guy almost always gets away with it (Hudson). Lilly plunking Renteria was kind of blatant. Personally I think they should have left it there, and then it's done. But due to the rules, the ump felt he needed to toss Lilly, and when a pitcher is tossed by an ump, MLB's punishment often comes down on that player, regardless of what Cox or Hudson did.

 

As for Renteria, you can make a case that what he did more or less follows the guidelines of what is acceptable, it's similar to what ARod did a couple weeks ago and he wasn't punished. I think that if Lilly gets a suspension, then out of fairness MLB should suspend Renteria. But then you get into the debate about equivalency between starting pitcher suspensions and position player suspensions.

 

The best option is no suspensions, except for the umps, and a cleaning up of these stupid rules about how to handle ejections/warnings.

 

They're out to get us goony. You know it! Stop trying to be rational 8-)

[tkenm356]

Anotehr reason to chock this up to "Umps hate Cubs" theory is that even after they plunked Soriano the day before, later in the game they plunked Gallagher, our PITCHER, and yet there were still no ejections. 2 hit batters in the game, one a guy who hit 3HR the night before and the other our pitcher, and nothing happens. Lilly hits a guy, he's tossed. Renteria clobbers a guy AND is clearly out by a mile.... he's safe and nothing happens.

 

This makes me livid

[Roast]

Is anyone else sending letters to selig's office. It probably wont help any, but it can't hurt. Send in the letters!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Is anyone else sending letters to selig's office. It probably wont help any, but it can't hurt. Send in the letters!

 

If someone would get his address, I think sending boxes filled with feces to Jim Wolf would be a better idea.

[Roast]

Is anyone else sending letters to selig's office. It probably wont help any, but it can't hurt. Send in the letters!

 

If someone would get his address, I think sending boxes filled with feces to Jim Wolf would be a better idea.

 

Well yeah, but we actually HAVE selig's address.

[sunnydoo]

If someone would get his address, I think sending boxes filled with feces to Jim Wolf would be a better idea.

 

He lives in Ahwatukee, Arizona according to wiki.

 

Someone with a Phoenix telly book could probably look it up for us or someone with access to one of the credit/security search engines.

[soccer10k]

If MLB is going to suspend anybody, they should suspend all three of Hudson, Renteria, and Lilly. You can't suspend one or two of them and not the others.

 

Both Hudson and Lilly intentionally threw at batters. Renteria not only intentionally elbowed Fontenot, but was the reason the benches cleared. I mean, does anybody really think that if Renteria had just walked to first base like Soriano did on Saturday, that the benches would have cleared? I doubt it. Instead, he walks towards the mound and Lilly.

[sunnydoo]

It was definitely a 2-0 count, not an 0-2 count. Lilly missed pretty badly with his first two pitches, which gives him a little credence that the third pitch just happened to miss badly as well.

 

Here's a link to the play by play that confirms that:

 

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/playbyplay/MLB_20070610_CHC@ATL

 

You are incorrect.

 

ATLANTA -- Home-plate umpire Jim Wolf said he was expecting something.

Cubs starter Ted Lilly had no idea what that something was, but quickly found out when his 10th pitch of the game, an 0-2 inside fastball, hit Atlanta shortstop Edgar Renteria and caused both benches and bullpens to empty. It was an ejection, much to Lilly's surprise.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070611&content_id=2019342&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[CubColtPacer]

It was definitely a 2-0 count, not an 0-2 count. Lilly missed pretty badly with his first two pitches, which gives him a little credence that the third pitch just happened to miss badly as well.

 

Here's a link to the play by play that confirms that:

 

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/playbyplay/MLB_20070610_CHC@ATL

 

You are incorrect.

 

ATLANTA -- Home-plate umpire Jim Wolf said he was expecting something.

Cubs starter Ted Lilly had no idea what that something was, but quickly found out when his 10th pitch of the game, an 0-2 inside fastball, hit Atlanta shortstop Edgar Renteria and caused both benches and bullpens to empty. It was an ejection, much to Lilly's surprise.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070611&content_id=2019342&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

The newspaper is wrong. I both saw it with my own eyes, and every single Game tracker has it as a 2-0 count as well. I'm looking at one right now that shows exactly where the first two pitchers were high of the strike zone.

[tkenm356]

highlights also show a 2-0 count

[Jazz]

yeah it was definately a 2-0 count, i got very confused when people started saying otherwise. I didnt watch the play live, but i watched a replay on cubs.com, and it showed an 2-0 count. Here, screeny for ya.

 

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/8303/picture1tm1.png

[jersey cubs fan]

yeah it was definately a 2-0 count, i got very confused when people started saying otherwise. I didnt watch the play live, but i watched a replay on cubs.com, and it showed an 2-0 count. Here, screeny for ya.

 

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/8303/picture1tm1.png

 

Lilly looks ridiculous in that picture.