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Just noticed the awful Cardinals are a game and a half behind the Cubs.

Because again, even when they are garbage like this year. They get lucky. There is no way their record should be as good as it is.

 

and they just swept the pirates

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Just noticed the awful Cardinals are a game and a half behind the Cubs.

Because again, even when they are garbage like this year. They get lucky. There is no way their record should be as good as it is.

 

and they just swept the pirates

 

Don't worry, Anthony Reyes is about to break into disaster start territory against the Nationals. And as soon as I say it, they bring Jiminez in to deal with the bases loaded, 2 out situation.

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So much for the new stadium allowing them to get better players.

 

Didn't they actually cut salary this year? New stadium, WS windfall, and yet they don't add salary.

 

Actually the new stadium was the reason they were able to raise the payroll the years preciding the new stadium......contrary to popular belief, the team never said it was going to raise the payroll once the stadium was here.

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So much for the new stadium allowing them to get better players.

 

Didn't they actually cut salary this year? New stadium, WS windfall, and yet they don't add salary.

 

Actually the new stadium was the reason they were able to raise the payroll the years preciding the new stadium......contrary to popular belief, the team never said it was going to raise the payroll once the stadium was here.

 

So uhhh where's the added revenue going?

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The National League Central is the ass of major league baseball.

 

And the last world series champ came out of this baseball cesspool. It's crazy.

 

The last three NL WS representatives too. .

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So much for the new stadium allowing them to get better players.

 

Didn't they actually cut salary this year? New stadium, WS windfall, and yet they don't add salary.

 

Actually the new stadium was the reason they were able to raise the payroll the years preciding the new stadium......contrary to popular belief, the team never said it was going to raise the payroll once the stadium was here.

 

So uhhh where's the added revenue going?

 

My guess....its going toward paying for the stadium.

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So much for the new stadium allowing them to get better players.

 

Oh does this sound familiar.

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How much of the stadium was privately financed?

 

$320 Million of the $365 Million was privately financed.

 

those numbers aren't very accurate.

 

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2003/12/cards_to_financ.html

 

they're especially inaccurate when you take into account that a big part of this whole deal was the ballpark village, which the cardinals eventually decided they couldn't build unless they got all kinds of new tax breaks, which they eventually did.

 

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2006/10/post_12.html

 

the subsidies have become too obvious and people no longer stand for them. nowadays, teams get their public money through tax breaks, construction projects, and free land. it costs the taxpayers just as much, but it's a lot less obvious.

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How much of the stadium was privately financed?

 

$320 Million of the $365 Million was privately financed.

 

those numbers aren't very accurate.

 

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2003/12/cards_to_financ.html

 

they're especially inaccurate when you take into account that a big part of this whole deal was the ballpark village, which the cardinals eventually decided they couldn't build unless they got all kinds of new tax breaks, which they eventually did.

 

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2006/10/post_12.html

 

the subsidies have become too obvious and people no longer stand for them. nowadays, teams get their public money through tax breaks, construction projects, and free land. it costs the taxpayers just as much, but it's a lot less obvious.

 

The first link was from 2003 and the second one had to do with the village..not the stadium. My numbers came from the 06 yearbook.

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Duncan out probably a week with bursitis/infection n.o.s. in his knee.

 

Rolen hurt his hammy running to first and will miss a few days.

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E.J.

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The title of this thread makes me feel a bit embarrassed lately.

 

Maybe you should change the title to "The Cards have been bad, but the Cubs have been much, much worse..."

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How much of the stadium was privately financed?

 

$320 Million of the $365 Million was privately financed.

 

those numbers aren't very accurate.

 

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2003/12/cards_to_financ.html

 

they're especially inaccurate when you take into account that a big part of this whole deal was the ballpark village, which the cardinals eventually decided they couldn't build unless they got all kinds of new tax breaks, which they eventually did.

 

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2006/10/post_12.html

 

the subsidies have become too obvious and people no longer stand for them. nowadays, teams get their public money through tax breaks, construction projects, and free land. it costs the taxpayers just as much, but it's a lot less obvious.

 

The first link was from 2003 and the second one had to do with the village..not the stadium. My numbers came from the 06 yearbook.

 

I think ChiefCardinal is right: those Field of Schemes number are off. As I understand it the Cardinals ownership paid for a lot of the park and that's why the place didn't end up as nice/fancy as they wanted it. IMHO Busch III an okay place at best and the cost-cutting shows.

 

As for the Ballpark Village the Cardinals are in big trouble as they still haven't broken any ground and the main contractor left the project. They're going to loose the 2009 All Star Game while was conditional on the Ballpark Village being done.

 

The only breaks they're getting on the Ballpark Village is TIF money as sales tax revenue generated within the BPV. So basicly part of the sales tax from the BPV will go into repaying the place instead of sity/county/sate coffers. This is common in America today with many shopping malls and plazas.

 

Busch Stadium

Architect: HOK Sport

Construction: Hunt Construction Group

Owner: St. Louis Cardinals

Cost: $365 million (original estimate was $344.8 million)

Public financing: $45 million long-term low interest loan from St. Louis County that must be repaid by the Cardinals.

Private financing: $90.1 million from the Cardinals, $9.2 million in interest earned on the construction fund, and $200.5 million in bonds to be paid over a 22-year period ($15.9 million per year) by the team. Anheuser-Busch agreed to a 20 year naming rights deal (through the 2025 season) which will help offset construction costs.

Derwood GOAT

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a new cardinal signee?

 

http://www.joesportsfan.com/jsfpics/columns2/cardinalsMullet1.jpg

 

negative sideburns?

 

I said no sideburns Mattingly!

 

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/blog/donniemattinglyhair.gif

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