Lou's shake-up: Guzman and his 3.18 ERA to pen

[USSoccer]

 

It's in the fact that Lou already says it's a recurring problem that leads me to believe that it's happened more than once on his watch.

 

And again, it's not Ebola. For Piniella to say "There's nothing we can do" is complete bull. It's a convienient excuse for a stupid move.

 

If the trainers can't figure out how to prevent cramps, they're idiots who shouldn't be trainers for a major league baseball team.

[CubColtPacer]

 

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You cannot compare stats over two seasons. Those are not consecutive starts nor are they consecutive appearences.

 

This is so much like the Rich Hill saga from last year. He's up, he's down, he's in the pen, he's starting, he's in the pen.

 

They haven't given him enough time to go much over 75 pitches.

 

What I'm saying is that he couldn't do it last year, even when he had about 16 consecutive starts.

 

Why was Dusty willing to throw Marmol out there for a ton of pitches but not Guzman? Even Mateo, who Dusty had the quickest hook on, was allowed to throw a lot of pitches in some games, but not Guzman. In the last two months of the season, Dusty ran every starting pitcher into the ground, but Guzman only broke 85 pitches for him once. I find that strange.

 

I would agree this year they haven't given him many chances to go above 75 (although they have given him a little bit of a chance, the last start he made was his 6th in a row, he should be fully stretched out already). I would have liked to see that he proved that he couldn't throw that deep into a game before I sent him down to the bullpen, but apparently the doubt about that (which I fully understand) was enough to make Lou act. If Marshall pitches at least decently, it shouldn't be too bad of a thing for the team-because while Guzman has the stuff to be a decent to good starter, his stuff gets a lot better in the pen with the extra velocity on his fastball. If Marshall is terrible as a starter, then Guzman to the pen is an awful move, because the 5th starter is more important than a reliever.

[CubinNY]

 

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You cannot compare stats over two seasons. Those are not consecutive starts nor are they consecutive appearences.

 

This is so much like the Rich Hill saga from last year. He's up, he's down, he's in the pen, he's starting, he's in the pen.

 

They haven't given him enough time to go much over 75 pitches.

 

What I'm saying is that he couldn't do it last year, even when he had about 16 consecutive starts.

 

Why was Dusty willing to throw Marmol out there for a ton of pitches but not Guzman? Even Mateo, who Dusty had the quickest hook on, was allowed to throw a lot of pitches in some games, but not Guzman. In the last two months of the season, Dusty ran every starting pitcher into the ground, but Guzman only broke 85 pitches for him once. I find that strange.

 

I would agree this year they haven't given him many chances to go above 75 (although they have given him a little bit of a chance, the last start he made was his 6th in a row, he should be fully stretched out already). I would have liked to see that he proved that he couldn't throw that deep into a game before I sent him down to the bullpen, but apparently the doubt about that (which I fully understand) was enough to make Lou act. If Marshall pitches at least decently, it shouldn't be too bad of a thing for the team-because while Guzman has the stuff to be a decent to good starter, his stuff gets a lot better in the pen with the extra velocity on his fastball. If Marshall is terrible as a starter, then Guzman to the pen is an awful move, because the 5th starter is more important than a reliever.

 

Guzman NEVER made 16 consecutive starts with the Cubs.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?playerid=2145&position=P&season=2006

 

He pitched in 4 consecutive starts in April. In June he was used in the bullpen. Then sent down. Then in late August and Early September he made 5 consecutive starts and was again moved to the pen.

 

This year he started in the pen. Then was sent down. Then brought up and made three starts. Now he's in the pen.

 

You see a pattern?

[USSoccer]

 

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You cannot compare stats over two seasons. Those are not consecutive starts nor are they consecutive appearences.

 

This is so much like the Rich Hill saga from last year. He's up, he's down, he's in the pen, he's starting, he's in the pen.

 

They haven't given him enough time to go much over 75 pitches.

 

What I'm saying is that he couldn't do it last year, even when he had about 16 consecutive starts.

 

Why was Dusty willing to throw Marmol out there for a ton of pitches but not Guzman? Even Mateo, who Dusty had the quickest hook on, was allowed to throw a lot of pitches in some games, but not Guzman. In the last two months of the season, Dusty ran every starting pitcher into the ground, but Guzman only broke 85 pitches for him once. I find that strange.

 

I would agree this year they haven't given him many chances to go above 75 (although they have given him a little bit of a chance, the last start he made was his 6th in a row, he should be fully stretched out already). I would have liked to see that he proved that he couldn't throw that deep into a game before I sent him down to the bullpen, but apparently the doubt about that (which I fully understand) was enough to make Lou act. If Marshall pitches at least decently, it shouldn't be too bad of a thing for the team-because while Guzman has the stuff to be a decent to good starter, his stuff gets a lot better in the pen with the extra velocity on his fastball. If Marshall is terrible as a starter, then Guzman to the pen is an awful move, because the 5th starter is more important than a reliever.

 

Aside from the fact that Guzman never made 16 starts in a row, you're ignoring the fact that "cramps" is a stupid reason to put someone in the bullpen. It's not elbow soreness, bicep tightness, shoulder fatigue...it's a cramp. It's fixable.

[Guest]

 

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You cannot compare stats over two seasons. Those are not consecutive starts nor are they consecutive appearences.

 

This is so much like the Rich Hill saga from last year. He's up, he's down, he's in the pen, he's starting, he's in the pen.

 

They haven't given him enough time to go much over 75 pitches.

 

What I'm saying is that he couldn't do it last year, even when he had about 16 consecutive starts.

 

Why was Dusty willing to throw Marmol out there for a ton of pitches but not Guzman? Even Mateo, who Dusty had the quickest hook on, was allowed to throw a lot of pitches in some games, but not Guzman. In the last two months of the season, Dusty ran every starting pitcher into the ground, but Guzman only broke 85 pitches for him once. I find that strange.

 

I would agree this year they haven't given him many chances to go above 75 (although they have given him a little bit of a chance, the last start he made was his 6th in a row, he should be fully stretched out already). I would have liked to see that he proved that he couldn't throw that deep into a game before I sent him down to the bullpen, but apparently the doubt about that (which I fully understand) was enough to make Lou act. If Marshall pitches at least decently, it shouldn't be too bad of a thing for the team-because while Guzman has the stuff to be a decent to good starter, his stuff gets a lot better in the pen with the extra velocity on his fastball. If Marshall is terrible as a starter, then Guzman to the pen is an awful move, because the 5th starter is more important than a reliever.

 

Maybe it's because the Cubs were conservative with him coming off 2.5 years worth of injury and rehab? I really don't hold anything against from last season against Guzman...his curve hadn't come back (he was still throwing a lesser slider), he was a different pitcher returning from a long injury history.

[CubColtPacer]

 

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You cannot compare stats over two seasons. Those are not consecutive starts nor are they consecutive appearences.

 

This is so much like the Rich Hill saga from last year. He's up, he's down, he's in the pen, he's starting, he's in the pen.

 

They haven't given him enough time to go much over 75 pitches.

 

What I'm saying is that he couldn't do it last year, even when he had about 16 consecutive starts.

 

Why was Dusty willing to throw Marmol out there for a ton of pitches but not Guzman? Even Mateo, who Dusty had the quickest hook on, was allowed to throw a lot of pitches in some games, but not Guzman. In the last two months of the season, Dusty ran every starting pitcher into the ground, but Guzman only broke 85 pitches for him once. I find that strange.

 

I would agree this year they haven't given him many chances to go above 75 (although they have given him a little bit of a chance, the last start he made was his 6th in a row, he should be fully stretched out already). I would have liked to see that he proved that he couldn't throw that deep into a game before I sent him down to the bullpen, but apparently the doubt about that (which I fully understand) was enough to make Lou act. If Marshall pitches at least decently, it shouldn't be too bad of a thing for the team-because while Guzman has the stuff to be a decent to good starter, his stuff gets a lot better in the pen with the extra velocity on his fastball. If Marshall is terrible as a starter, then Guzman to the pen is an awful move, because the 5th starter is more important than a reliever.

 

Guzman NEVER made 16 consecutive starts with the Cubs.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?playerid=2145&position=P&season=2006

 

He pitched in 4 consecutive starts in April. In June he was used in the bullpen. Then sent down. Then in late August and Early September he made 5 consecutive starts and was again moved to the pen.

 

This year he started in the pen. Then was sent down. Then brought up and made three starts. Now he's in the pen.

 

You see a pattern?

 

I meant between the minors and the majors-he started consecutively from the time he was sent down in June until they moved him to the pen in September.

[abuck1220]

Unless he's menstruating the cramps thing is BS. The Cubs just want Guz in the bullpen and had to find an excuse for taking him out of the rotation.

 

yep...very baker-esque.

[jersey cubs fan]

I still think Lou just overreacted to the loss in NY. He talked about big changes in the heat of the moment, then once things cooled and Hendry let it be known he wasn't releasing Eyre or making a trade this early, then had to make something up to not look like the boy who cried wolf.

 

Dempster blew a game, Guzman, Cotts and Fontenot paid the price.

[CubinNY]

I still think Lou just overreacted to the loss in NY. He talked about big changes in the heat of the moment, then once things cooled and Hendry let it be known he wasn't releasing Eyre or making a trade this early, then had to make something up to not look like the boy who cried wolf.

 

Dempster blew a game, Guzman, Cotts and Fontenot paid the price.

That at least has as much validity as uncontrollable cramps. Probably more.

[jersey cubs fan]

Has anybody made the screw you Melon joke yet?

[frostwyrm]

Unless he's menstruating the cramps thing is BS. The Cubs just want Guz in the bullpen and had to find an excuse for taking him out of the rotation.

 

yep...very baker-esque.

 

Maybe he is menstruating. He's in his prime child-bearing years.

[MPrior]

Maybe he is menstruating. He's in his prime child-bearing years.

 

I was gonna say - maybe you're onto something here.

[frostwyrm]

Maybe he is menstruating. He's in his prime child-bearing years.

 

I was gonna say - maybe you're onto something here.

 

I say keep him in the rotation except when his special time of the month comes, then give him a bottle of Midol and a "Steel Magnolias" DVD and put him in the bullpen.

[Rob]

Maybe he is menstruating. He's in his prime child-bearing years.

 

I was gonna say - maybe you're onto something here.

 

I say keep him in the rotation except when his special time of the month comes, then give him a bottle of Midol and a "Steel Magnolias" DVD and put him in the bullpen.

 

I thought Midol came in pill form? :?

[Shilzzz]

Maybe he is menstruating. He's in his prime child-bearing years.

 

I was gonna say - maybe you're onto something here.

 

I say keep him in the rotation except when his special time of the month comes, then give him a bottle of Midol and a "Steel Magnolias" DVD and put him in the bullpen.

 

I thought Midol came in pill form? :?

 

pills don't come in bottles anymore?

[tfarks]

Maybe he is menstruating. He's in his prime child-bearing years.

 

I was gonna say - maybe you're onto something here.

 

I say keep him in the rotation except when his special time of the month comes, then give him a bottle of Midol and a "Steel Magnolias" DVD and put him in the bullpen.

 

I thought Midol came in pill form? :?

 

Maybe hes thinking of Maalox.

[XZero771679666304]

Maybe he is menstruating. He's in his prime child-bearing years.

 

I was gonna say - maybe you're onto something here.

 

I say keep him in the rotation except when his special time of the month comes, then give him a bottle of Midol and a "Steel Magnolias" DVD and put him in the bullpen.

 

I thought Midol came in pill form? :?

 

pills don't come in bottles anymore?

 

Last time I checked, just about all of them do.