Infielder or Outfielder - What's the Roster Move?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd prefer we stick with an eleven man pitching staff and send Cherry back down.

[CubmanPi]

I'd prefer we stick with an eleven man pitching staff and send Cherry back down.

With Miller out of the rotation and Z looking better his last two starts, I think this would be a safe option, but with a couple struggling relievers, I think Lou wants to keep his options open in that department, especially until Eyre comes back around.

[CubColtPacer]

I'd prefer we stick with an eleven man pitching staff and send Cherry back down.

 

I wish the team would do that too, even if they don't stick with it. Tuesday is when the roster move will be made. Then they will play two games, then an off day-then 3 more, then another off day. I don't see any reason to need 12 pitchers that week.

Finally they have 13 in a row, but Cherry will be eligible to be called back up by game 4 of that, and that will buy them another 10 days of figuring out what to do and possibly putting together a trade.

[CubmanPi]

I'd prefer we stick with an eleven man pitching staff and send Cherry back down.

 

I wish the team would do that too, even if they don't stick with it. Tuesday is when the roster move will be made. Then they will play two games, then an off day-then 3 more, then another off day. I don't see any reason to need 12 pitchers that week.

Finally they have 13 in a row, but Cherry will be eligible to be called back up by game 4 of that, and that will buy them another 10 days of figuring out what to do and possibly putting together a trade.

This is a very solid argument for going with 11 pitchers, at least for the immediate future.

[rawaction]

No real reason to ever go with 12 pitchers. If you have guys with options, you can bring a couple guys up and send a couple down when guys are overworked.

[CubmanPi]

No real reason to ever go with 12 pitchers. If you have guys with options, you can bring a couple guys up and send a couple down when guys are overworked.

Until Guzman establishes himself and we can feel comfortable that, even on someone's bad starts, we'll get five innings from them, 12 isn't a terrible idea. Especially if it's Cedeno who gets the short end until then.

[CubColtPacer]

No real reason to ever go with 12 pitchers. If you have guys with options, you can bring a couple guys up and send a couple down when guys are overworked.

 

That really isn't an option for the Cubs though-when they go to 11 pitchers, that means that if your bullpen is overworked, you have to send down Cotts and Wuertz and have them down there for at least 10 days. I'd rather have the 12th pitcher then that happen.

[NCCubFan]

This was mentioned in the Minor League forum, but outfielder Chris Walker was just promoted from Tennessee to Iowa. This may be a sign that the Cubs aren't planning to send any outfielder down, thus creating an outfielder vacancy at Iowa.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

With tonight's game postponed, it's possible the Cubs could readjust the rotation. A fifth starter might not be needed as soon as we thought.

[Fro]

Considering things seem to be clicking now, there's really no reason to make a move until we need a 5th starter.

[NewUserName]

After hearing Kaspar & Brenley talk about the situation, it's starting to sound like Pie may go down. Piniella talked about "too many OFs" and "you gotta play the veterans because they have the track record or else you start to have clubhouse problems". Unless a deal can be made soon involving Jones, it sounds like Pie is the one to go down.

 

 

OK I really understand that Piniella and Dusty are not the same manager and have several differences. That quote sounds like it came straight from Dusty's mouth without the "dude"

[soccer10k]

It probably has to be Pie right now. If they feel that they can stick with 1 reserve IF, then it will be Cedeno, but Piniella was very, very nervous about the prospect of only having 1 during ST. So my guess is that they send Pie down, and they start working on trading Jones so they can get Pie back up as soon as possible.

 

Yeah. On one hand I really want Ronny to get sent down but on the other hand, I wand Murton and Pie to get more playing time at some level. If that means one of them plays more at AAA, then so be it. They just need to be in a lineup.

 

Plus I'd rather have Ronny rotting on the bench in Chicago than Murton and/or Pie.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd prefer we stick with an eleven man pitching staff and send Cherry back down.

 

I wish the team would do that too, even if they don't stick with it. Tuesday is when the roster move will be made. Then they will play two games, then an off day-then 3 more, then another off day. I don't see any reason to need 12 pitchers that week.

Finally they have 13 in a row, but Cherry will be eligible to be called back up by game 4 of that, and that will buy them another 10 days of figuring out what to do and possibly putting together a trade.

This is a very solid argument for going with 11 pitchers, at least for the immediate future.

 

Yeah, there's definitely no reason to make a move now. They don't need the 5th starter for a while, so you have yourself an 7-man pen until then, and that's the only reason to have a 12-man staff. And after a series of 4 off days in 12 days, the bullpen should be well rested and properly staffed by the time a 5th starter needs to be called up.

[YearofDaCubs]

This morning on ESPN I'm sure I heard Guzman to pitch on Tuesday. I don't know what roster move will be made but it's going to be interesting.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

This morning on ESPN I'm sure I heard Guzman to pitch on Tuesday. I don't know what roster move will be made but it's going to be interesting.

 

Sounds like he'll be pitching for Iowa on Tuesday.

[YearofDaCubs]

This morning on ESPN I'm sure I heard Guzman to pitch on Tuesday. I don't know what roster move will be made but it's going to be interesting.

 

Sounds like he'll be pitching for Iowa on Tuesday.

They meant for the big league clubs but they could be wrong.

[Backtobanks]

This morning on ESPN I'm sure I heard Guzman to pitch on Tuesday. I don't know what roster move will be made but it's going to be interesting.

 

Sounds like he'll be pitching for Iowa on Tuesday.

They meant for the big league clubs but they could be wrong.

 

Today's Tribune stated Guzman will be called up to pitch either next Sunday or next Tuesday.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

This morning on ESPN I'm sure I heard Guzman to pitch on Tuesday. I don't know what roster move will be made but it's going to be interesting.

 

Sounds like he'll be pitching for Iowa on Tuesday.

They meant for the big league clubs but they could be wrong.

 

There's no need for a 5th starter yet after yesterday's game was postponed. Angel is scheduled to pitch for Iowa tomorrow.

[Amazing_Grace]

After hearing Kaspar & Brenley talk about the situation, it's starting to sound like Pie may go down. Piniella talked about "too many OFs" and "you gotta play the veterans because they have the track record or else you start to have clubhouse problems". Unless a deal can be made soon involving Jones, it sounds like Pie is the one to go down.

 

 

OK I really understand that Piniella and Dusty are not the same manager and have several differences. That quote sounds like it came straight from Dusty's mouth without the "dude"

 

There's one big difference. Piniella is worried about "clubhouse problems" while Dusty seemed to actually believe the veterans gave him a better chance to win. Remember that Lou has played Theriot at SS for several days now so there's some evidence that he will bench a veteran if they play badly enough.

 

Hendry shouldn't have signed Floyd without first trading Jones. If he was going to keep Jones, there was no need to sign Floyd at all since we had already signed another lefty OF, Daryle Ward. It's that simple. Hendry continues to be one of the worst GMs in all of baseball and whether the Cubs win or lose this year, I hope the new owner this offseason fires him immediately.

[YearofDaCubs]

After hearing Kaspar & Brenley talk about the situation, it's starting to sound like Pie may go down. Piniella talked about "too many OFs" and "you gotta play the veterans because they have the track record or else you start to have clubhouse problems". Unless a deal can be made soon involving Jones, it sounds like Pie is the one to go down.

 

 

OK I really understand that Piniella and Dusty are not the same manager and have several differences. That quote sounds like it came straight from Dusty's mouth without the "dude"

 

There's one big difference. Piniella is worried about "clubhouse problems" while Dusty seemed to actually believe the veterans gave him a better chance to win. Remember that Lou has played Theriot at SS for several days now so there's some evidence that he will bench a veteran if they play badly enough.

 

Hendry shouldn't have signed Floyd without first trading Jones. If he was going to keep Jones, there was no need to sign Floyd at all since we had already signed another lefty OF, Daryle Ward. It's that simple. Hendry continues to be one of the worst GMs in all of baseball and whether the Cubs win or lose this year, I hope the new owner this offseason fires him immediately.

I agree completely. Hendry has done a terrible job and has overstocked the OF. He just doesn't get it.

[Backtobanks]

After hearing Kaspar & Brenley talk about the situation, it's starting to sound like Pie may go down. Piniella talked about "too many OFs" and "you gotta play the veterans because they have the track record or else you start to have clubhouse problems". Unless a deal can be made soon involving Jones, it sounds like Pie is the one to go down.

 

 

OK I really understand that Piniella and Dusty are not the same manager and have several differences. That quote sounds like it came straight from Dusty's mouth without the "dude"

 

There's one big difference. Piniella is worried about "clubhouse problems" while Dusty seemed to actually believe the veterans gave him a better chance to win. Remember that Lou has played Theriot at SS for several days now so there's some evidence that he will bench a veteran if they play badly enough.

 

Hendry shouldn't have signed Floyd without first trading Jones. If he was going to keep Jones, there was no need to sign Floyd at all since we had already signed another lefty OF, Daryle Ward. It's that simple. Hendry continues to be one of the worst GMs in all of baseball and whether the Cubs win or lose this year, I hope the new owner this offseason fires him immediately.

I agree completely. Hendry has done a terrible job and has overstocked the OF. He just doesn't get it.

 

I don't necessarily agree. Ward was signed strictly as a pinch hitter, Derosa was signed to play everyday at 2B, nobody was sure (and still aren't) whether Pie is ready this year, and Floyd was signed to an incentive-laden contract because he has a long history of being injury prone. If Floyd's past shows up and Pie really struggles, then all of a sudden everyone is after Hendry to get another OF. The "problem" has arisen because Floyd has remained healthy and Pie has shown flashes of brilliance. Hendry bashers blame him for everything that goes wrong on the team, but what about signing Lilly and Marquis and absolutely refusing to trade Hill last year. Soriano will come around, Zambrano will straighten out, Jones will be traded and the Cubs will be okay.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't necessarily agree. Ward was signed strictly as a pinch hitter, Derosa was signed to play everyday at 2B, nobody was sure (and still aren't) whether Pie is ready this year, and Floyd was signed to an incentive-laden contract because he has a long history of being injury prone. If Floyd's past shows up and Pie really struggles, then all of a sudden everyone is after Hendry to get another OF. The "problem" has arisen because Floyd has remained healthy and Pie has shown flashes of brilliance.

 

If Floyd wasn't here and Pie wasn't up, the OF would be Soriano, Murton and Jones, and I don't think many people would be clamoring for another guy. And if it was, it wouldn't be the redundent Floyd.

 

 

Hendry bashers blame him for everything that goes wrong on the team, but what about signing Lilly and Marquis and absolutely refusing to trade Hill last year. Soriano will come around, Zambrano will straighten out, Jones will be traded and the Cubs will be okay.

 

Hendry bashers blame Hendry for the sub .500 record during his tenure because he is responsible for everything. Excusing him for one bad signing because he made another good one makes no sense.

[Amazing_Grace]

I don't necessarily agree. Ward was signed strictly as a pinch hitter, Derosa was signed to play everyday at 2B, nobody was sure (and still aren't) whether Pie is ready this year, and Floyd was signed to an incentive-laden contract because he has a long history of being injury prone. If Floyd's past shows up and Pie really struggles, then all of a sudden everyone is after Hendry to get another OF. The "problem" has arisen because Floyd has remained healthy and Pie has shown flashes of brilliance.

 

If Floyd wasn't here and Pie wasn't up, the OF would be Soriano, Murton and Jones, and I don't think many people would be clamoring for another guy. And if it was, it wouldn't be the redundent Floyd.

 

 

Hendry bashers blame him for everything that goes wrong on the team, but what about signing Lilly and Marquis and absolutely refusing to trade Hill last year. Soriano will come around, Zambrano will straighten out, Jones will be traded and the Cubs will be okay.

 

Hendry bashers blame Hendry for the sub .500 record during his tenure because he is responsible for everything. Excusing him for one bad signing because he made another good one makes no sense.

 

Exactly. The Floyd signing was unneccessary because we had sooo many guys that could play the corners. The fact that Jones can play CF made him more valuable so had I been in Hendry's shoes, I'd have passed on Floyd altogether. If you subtract Floyd and Pie, you still have 6 guys that can play the OF in Murton, Soriano, Jones, Theriot, DeRosa, and Ward.

[CubColtPacer]

I don't necessarily agree. Ward was signed strictly as a pinch hitter, Derosa was signed to play everyday at 2B, nobody was sure (and still aren't) whether Pie is ready this year, and Floyd was signed to an incentive-laden contract because he has a long history of being injury prone. If Floyd's past shows up and Pie really struggles, then all of a sudden everyone is after Hendry to get another OF. The "problem" has arisen because Floyd has remained healthy and Pie has shown flashes of brilliance.

 

If Floyd wasn't here and Pie wasn't up, the OF would be Soriano, Murton and Jones, and I don't think many people would be clamoring for another guy. And if it was, it wouldn't be the redundent Floyd.

 

 

Hendry bashers blame him for everything that goes wrong on the team, but what about signing Lilly and Marquis and absolutely refusing to trade Hill last year. Soriano will come around, Zambrano will straighten out, Jones will be traded and the Cubs will be okay.

 

Hendry bashers blame Hendry for the sub .500 record during his tenure because he is responsible for everything. Excusing him for one bad signing because he made another good one makes no sense.

 

Exactly. The Floyd signing was unneccessary because we had sooo many guys that could play the corners. The fact that Jones can play CF made him more valuable so had I been in Hendry's shoes, I'd have passed on Floyd altogether. If you subtract Floyd and Pie, you still have 6 guys that can play the OF in Murton, Soriano, Jones, Theriot, DeRosa, and Ward.

 

At the time though, the team didn't know if Theriot could play the OF or not, and I don't think anyone was counting on Ward to play OF.

 

The Floyd signing looks poor now only because Pie came up so quickly (which was partly due to the Soriano injury). If Pie had been held off until June or July (which looked very possible in the offseason) and Floyd had not been signed, the bench would have been Ward/Theriot/Pagan/Cedeno/Blanco. That's not a strong bench at all, and there would have been plenty of complaints that the bench was not producing whatsoever.

 

When Hendry signed Floyd, it basically was a signal that Pie would not be up until Jones was traded. Pie's hot start, Soriano struggling a bit in CF, and Soriano's injury changed all that.

[biittner77]

At the time though, the team didn't know if Theriot could play the OF or not, and I don't think anyone was counting on Ward to play OF.

 

But we did know that DeRosa could and we knew Theriot could play 2nd. Ward is less than ideal in the OF but if someone got hurt they could always call up an OF if they didn't think Ward could handle it.

 

The Floyd signing looks poor now only because Pie came up so quickly (which was partly due to the Soriano injury).

 

The Floyd signing looked bad at the time because they already had Ward and there's really no reason to carry 2 different LH defensive liability OFs. It would have made much more sense to find another RH bat for the bench.

 

When Hendry signed Floyd, it basically was a signal that Pie would not be up until Jones was traded. Pie's hot start, Soriano struggling a bit in CF, and Soriano's injury changed all that.

 

Why not just keep Jones and when Pie was ready have him split time with Murton? I can't see how having Floyd split time with Murton is any better than having him split time with Jones.