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Mike Hampton to miss season with elbow surgery

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Derwood GOAT

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seriously, wouldn't you ask for the contract to be voided at this point. I know you have insurance as a ballclub against this type of thing, but the guy has thrown how many pitches the past 3 years.
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I'll put out the obligatory post of:

 

"Well, if he had any stones, he'd pitch with the shredded elbow and make it work!"

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can i please ask one questions?....

 

I was wondering.. how good was hampton before the BIG Contract?...

his career stats

He was a decent pitcher, with the exception of his 2 atrocious years in Colorado.

but the real question i ment to ask was, was he worth the money at the time?

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Check out the stats from ESPN's site on overpaid Mike, assuming he doesn't pitch in 2007 (he won't):

 

Stat Total $/per

 

Starts 131 $791,044.78

 

Wins 53 $2,000,000.00

 

K's 420 $252,380.95 PER K!!

 

 

Unreal.

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Check out the stats from ESPN's site on overpaid Mike, assuming he doesn't pitch in 2007 (he won't):

 

Stat Total $/per

 

Starts 131 $791,044.78

 

Wins 53 $2,000,000.00

 

K's 420 $252,380.95 PER K!!

 

 

Unreal.

woah :shock:

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can i please ask one questions?....

 

I was wondering.. how good was hampton before the BIG Contract?...

 

He was coming off a couple of great yrs in Houston, and was considered an "ace" in the mold of a Tom Glavine. At the time, if I remember he was considered one of the elite pitchers, especially from the left side, with Glavine and Johnson. To me...at the time Hampton was worth the contract, considering he could pitch, hit, was athlethic enough to field his position. IMO, he combine the best of Zambrano (hitting wise) with the best of Glavine.

 

I felt the contract for his talent, was appropiate, he just signed with the wrong team. In the end, Hamton's "bust" in Colorado, was the final straw. No SUPERSTAR caliber pitcher will ever seriously, I repeat seriously, consider Colorado. Which means if Coloradon wants quality pitching, they have to developed it.

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People forget that he was pretty dominant for a couple of yrs prior to becoming an FA. He and Neagle were never the same after picthing at Coors for a couple of years. Both of them shredded their arms pitching there, I think. The Braves got him on the relative cheap, IIRC, b/c he was acquired through FL who (incredibly) picked up part of his contract.

 

In any case, it seems like wasted potential. His career is very likely over, I would think.

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Yes, again.

 

I'm glad the Cubs didn't sign him when they were rumored to a few years ago. He's toast.

 

It could just be my faulty memory, but didn't the Cubs try to sign him before he went to Colorado and shredded his elbow too? I know they tried to sign him after, but I thought that they had put in a bid before that too. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure :)

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seriously, wouldn't you ask for the contract to be voided at this point. I know you have insurance as a ballclub against this type of thing, but the guy has thrown how many pitches the past 3 years.

 

doesn't work that way. If the guy's making an honest effort to come back and he keeps getting hurt, there are no grounds to void the contract.

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seriously, wouldn't you ask for the contract to be voided at this point. I know you have insurance as a ballclub against this type of thing, but the guy has thrown how many pitches the past 3 years.

 

doesn't work that way. If the guy's making an honest effort to come back and he keeps getting hurt, there are no grounds to void the contract.

 

I know, and it's guaranteed contract, etc. One might hope that a guy would say "look, i'm not earning this money" and renegotiate out of good faith (though i'm sure Fehr and the Union boys would squash that notion)

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At the time, I thought he was really great, in retrospect, he wasn't that good.

 

He was never dominant. He did have a really nice season in his last Astrodome season, but you could make a case that most of it was luck. He didn't strike out many guys, and had a poor 1.75 K/BB ratio that season. He was routinely in the top ten for walks allowed and had an unimpressive WHIP during that time. He was more or less an innings eater who didn't give up many HRs while pitching in HR killing stadiums. He led the league in Wins in 1999 for an outstanding Houston team, which vaulted him to the top of the list in 2000 and fooled everybody. He was playing with fire with his very low K/9, very high walk rates and unimpressive batting average against. Maybe things would have worked out if he signed longterm to play in Shea, or LA or Seattle. But when your best quality is your ability to throw 200 innings, and you don't do anything else great, then your luck is bound to run out, especially in the HR era.

Rob Knoxville Smokies

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I'll put out the obligatory post of:

 

"Well, if he had any stones, he'd pitch with the shredded elbow and make it work!"

 

Brad Radke managed it with a shredded shoulder.

 

Then again, Brad Radke was a gamer.

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