Murton getting benched again for lesser player

[frostwyrm]

Average speed and below average defense with not much power do not equal superstar.

 

where is it being argued that murton is a superstar? we're arguing that he's better than floyd (who has average to below average speed and certainly below average defense now, as well).

 

So this is the official Northsidebaseball boogeyman of the 2007 season? A .820 OPS messageboard hero is getting a 60/40 split of at bats with a .800 OPS board persona non grata.

 

Floyd has a .634 OPS. Not what you want from an old defensively-challenged corner OF on the downside of his career.

[JeffH]

The Cubs will wind up ruining Murton's trade value and trading him for pennies on the dollar.

[RegulusBlue]

The Cubs will wind up ruining Murton's trade value and trading him for pennies on the dollar.

 

God that scares me so much.

 

Lou has turned out to be atrocious at handling Murton just as Dusty was.

[NewUserName]

The Cubs will wind up ruining Murton's trade value and trading him for pennies on the dollar.

 

God that scares me so much.

 

Lou has turned out to be atrocious at handling Murton just as Dusty was.

 

Dusty was better. Though he didnt have Floyd and Soriano either.

[soapy]

So Floyd is on pace to easily eclipse the PA threshold of 425 he needs to guarantee his 2008 salary. He's going to rack up bonuses for this year as well. I believe I heard the deal started at 1 year $3m guaranteed, but could be worth as much as $17m over 2 years. That right there should be reason enough to start sitting him more frequently, let alone his sub .300 OBP and 634 OPS.

 

Play him too much and you risk making the already dangerous payroll situation that much more unmanagable.

 

Oh God, I had almost forgotten about his incentives.

 

:pukel:

 

What a craptacular situation.

[Soriano12]

Jim Hendry = Moron.

[RegulusBlue]

Jim Hendry = Moron.

 

Lou Piniella = Colossal failure as manager of the Cubs who duped everyone waxing poetic about midgets who can walk and Murton in the 2 hole.

[Soul]

Jim Hendry = Moron.

 

Lou Piniella = Colossal failure as manager of the Cubs who duped everyone waxing poetic about midgets who can walk and Murton in the 2 hole.

 

 

Uh oh. That sound you hear is the honeymoon ending prematurely.

[VanceJergins]

Jim Hendry = Moron.

 

Lou Piniella = Colossal failure as manager of the Cubs who duped everyone waxing poetic about midgets who can walk and Murton in the 2 hole.

 

 

Uh oh. That sound you hear is the honeymoon ending prematurely.

 

Caught playing grab-ass in the first month....honeymoon, over.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Jim Hendry = Moron.

 

Lou Piniella = Colossal failure as manager of the Cubs who duped everyone waxing poetic about midgets who can walk and Murton in the 2 hole.

 

 

Uh oh. That sound you hear is the honeymoon ending prematurely.

 

Caught playing grab-ass in the first month....honeymoon, over.

 

?

 

We've lost a ton of close ballgames b/c a bunch of guys who should be producing, aren't. That's not Lou's fault.

 

A ton of guys aren't producing and we're still in just about every game. That's not playing "grab-ass" on Lou's part. It's the players not earning their paychecks.

[VanceJergins]

Jim Hendry = Moron.

 

Lou Piniella = Colossal failure as manager of the Cubs who duped everyone waxing poetic about midgets who can walk and Murton in the 2 hole.

 

 

Uh oh. That sound you hear is the honeymoon ending prematurely.

 

Caught playing grab-ass in the first month....honeymoon, over.

 

?

 

We've lost a ton of close ballgames b/c a bunch of guys who should be producing, aren't. That's not Lou's fault.

 

A ton of guys aren't producing and we're still in just about every game. That's not playing "grab-ass" on Lou's part. It's the players not earning their paychecks.

 

If people aren't producing and there are better players on the bench (Murton, Theriot) and there are players like Eyre still pitching in crucial situations, then I feel perfectly justified placing a lot of the blame on Lou. When players that aren't producing yet aren't replaced by available better players, you can't just blame the players forever.

[Schwarber Fan]

Here I go again basing my opinions on 1 game

 

4-5, pretty solid day for Cliff today. Can't argue that he hasn't earned another start

[NewUserName]

Here I go again basing my opinions on 1 game

 

4-5, pretty solid day for Cliff today. Can't argue that he hasn't earned another start

 

Murton had good games his last 3 starts also. Didnt earn him squat.

[BigSlick]

Here I go again basing my opinions on 1 game

 

4-5, pretty solid day for Cliff today. Can't argue that he hasn't earned another start

 

Sure I can.

 

He started teh day with a sub .300 OBP, and his supposed power isn't showing.

 

He's still a fat bastard who can't play defense.

[Elrhino]

No matter what happens, Murton will always have a place in the northsidebaseball Hall of Fame. Sandwiched between Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi and Juan Cruz.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No matter what happens, Murton will always have a place in the northsidebaseball Hall of Fame. Sandwiched between Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi and Juan Cruz.

 

Don't forget Eric Karros, Mark Grudzielanek, and Shawn Estes.

[Sammy Sofa]

Jim Hendry = Moron.

 

Lou Piniella = Colossal failure as manager of the Cubs who duped everyone waxing poetic about midgets who can walk and Murton in the 2 hole.

 

 

Uh oh. That sound you hear is the honeymoon ending prematurely.

 

Caught playing grab-ass in the first month....honeymoon, over.

 

?

 

We've lost a ton of close ballgames b/c a bunch of guys who should be producing, aren't. That's not Lou's fault.

 

A ton of guys aren't producing and we're still in just about every game. That's not playing "grab-ass" on Lou's part. It's the players not earning their paychecks.

 

If people aren't producing and there are better players on the bench (Murton, Theriot) and there are players like Eyre still pitching in crucial situations, then I feel perfectly justified placing a lot of the blame on Lou. When players that aren't producing yet aren't replaced by available better players, you can't just blame the players forever.

 

There are plenty of things Lou has or hasn't done that are ticking me off, but I'm not ready to close the book on him yet. He's still getting a feel for his new team and the coaching staff working together...if he's still making the big mistakes even just a couple weeks from now, THEN I'll be fed up.

[brinoch]

No matter what happens, Murton will always have a place in the northsidebaseball Hall of Fame. Sandwiched between Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi and Juan Cruz.

 

Don't forget Eric Karros, Mark Grudzielanek, and Shawn Estes.

 

You forgot Neifi Perez and Glendon Rusch.

[Omar]

No matter what happens, Murton will always have a place in the northsidebaseball Hall of Fame. Sandwiched between Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi and Juan Cruz.

 

Don't forget Eric Karros, Mark Grudzielanek, and Shawn Estes.

 

You forgot Neifi Perez and Glendon Rusch.

 

Jason Dubois.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

No matter what happens, Murton will always have a place in the northsidebaseball Hall of Fame. Sandwiched between Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi and Juan Cruz.

 

Don't forget Eric Karros, Mark Grudzielanek, and Shawn Estes.

 

You forgot Neifi Perez and Glendon Rusch.

No list is complete without Jeff Fassero.

[Warpticon]

Never ceases to amaze me how people interpret "give the guy who has a chance to be above average a chance to play over proven mediocrity" into "x young player is a future 8 time MVP."

[killthegoat06]

No matter what happens, Murton will always have a place in the northsidebaseball Hall of Fame. Sandwiched between Bobby Hill, Hee Seop Choi and Juan Cruz.

 

Don't forget Eric Karros, Mark Grudzielanek, and Shawn Estes.

 

You forgot Neifi Perez and Glendon Rusch.

 

Jason Dubois.

 

How can anyone forget the Gremlin?

Are you all crazy... Jose Macias is # 1!!!!!!!!!!!

[NewUserName]

Never ceases to amaze me how people interpret "give the guy who has a chance to be above average a chance to play over proven mediocrity" into "x young player is a future 8 time MVP."

 

 

What it is called is lack of vision. This is what keeps guys like Darin Erstad even in the league. So to validate the silly notion that you can when with past prime players who have a name they recognize, They have to make a valid arguement for more vision look silly. Hence they bring up guys like Bobby Hill(who still was probably at least as good as the crap we have had a 2nd base for the last several years) Juan Cruz(who still was better than Jason Bere in 2002 shawn Estes in 2003) and Hee Sop Choi(who still was good enough to net us a superstar 1b in Derek Lee.

 

The truth though that the sticking Cubs have not won a WS in 100 years with the likes of Cliff Floyd never seems to enter their mind though.

[sethuel1]

grab-ass

[brinoch]

Never ceases to amaze me how people interpret "give the guy who has a chance to be above average a chance to play over proven mediocrity" into "x young player is a future 8 time MVP."

 

 

What it is called is lack of vision. This is what keeps guys like Darin Erstad even in the league. So to validate the silly notion that you can when with past prime players who have a name they recognize, They have to make a valid arguement for more vision look silly. Hence they bring up guys like Bobby Hill(who still was probably at least as good as the crap we have had a 2nd base for the last several years) Juan Cruz(who still was better than Jason Bere in 2002 shawn Estes in 2003) and Hee Sop Choi(who still was good enough to net us a superstar 1b in Derek Lee.

 

The truth though that the sticking Cubs have not won a WS in 100 years with the likes of Cliff Floyd never seems to enter their mind though.

 

It's also aversion to risk because, frankly, it's uncertain what Murton will do. Can't have that. With the Proven Veteran, however, We Know What We'll Get. Except that the proven veteran is usually washed up and on the downslope of his career.

 

It's poor decision-making, that's for sure.