Carpenter Hurt

[VanceJergins]

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I hope it's not anything major and he's back soon. If we're going to win the division I want to do it while the other teams are at their best. I don't want to be given the division because the Cards, Astros, or Brewers have big injury problems all year.

 

I can care less how we win it as long as we win it. If we get a little help so be it. We have been charitable in that department the past 3-4 years.

I agree. I won't ever wish injury on anyone, but I'm also not going to be upset when an impact player on an NL Central team goes down with an injury.

 

I can't feel too bad for these type of guys when they get injured. They're millionaires, its not like they'll go broke (unless they're idiots, which is often the case).

[KyHen]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

[A New Era]

Maybe this will be the year that all the Cards players get hurt and our crap ass players play awesome.

 

What crap ass players? Murton? Soriano? Dlee? Aram? Jones? Barret? Derosa?

 

Honestly, I know you are gonna say Izzy, or Marquis or something like that. But really, how much does 1 or 2 "crap" players hurt us with our team?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Maybe this will be the year that all the Cards players get hurt and our crap ass players play awesome.

 

What crap ass players? Murton? Soriano? Dlee? Aram? Jones? Barret? Derosa?

 

Honestly, I know you are gonna say Izzy, or Marquis or something like that. But really, how much does 1 or 2 "crap" players hurt us with our team?

 

Guys like Blanco, Izzy, Cedeno, and Marquis. I'm not criticizing our team, I really like our team, but maybe it'll be a reversal of the Cards' fortunes and our "scrubs" will have their career years, like Scott Spiezio, Hector Luna, So Taguchi, and Jeff Suppan have had during their tenures with the Cardinals.

[KyHen]

Maybe this will be the year that all the Cards players get hurt and our crap ass players play awesome.

 

What crap ass players? Murton? Soriano? Dlee? Aram? Jones? Barret? Derosa?

 

Honestly, I know you are gonna say Izzy, or Marquis or something like that. But really, how much does 1 or 2 "crap" players hurt us with our team?

 

Guys like Blanco, Izzy, Cedeno, and Marquis. I'm not criticizing our team, I really like our team, but maybe it'll be a reversal of the Cards' fortunes and our "scrubs" will have their career years, like Scott Spiezio, Hector Luna, So Taguchi, and Jeff Suppan have had during their tenures with the Cardinals.

 

To be honest, I think the only guy you can complain about from that list is Spiezio. Neither Luna nor Taguchi really did anything noteworthy (especially when you factor it was playing in limited time [favorable situations]).

 

As for Suppan... well, I would attribute that to Duncan and the defense as opposed to luck.

[E.J.]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

 

That surprises me that they didn't take an MRI. Why wouldn't they? I'm surprised they wouldn't be as extremely precautious as possible with their ace.

[KyHen]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

 

That surprises me that they didn't take an MRI. Why wouldn't they? I'm surprised they wouldn't be as extremely precatious as possible with their ace.

 

That's exactly what I asked over at GWRB. What is their rationalization? I see absolutely no benefit to not taking an MRI.

[Derwood]

Don't mean too gloat but YEEEESSSSSSS!!!!! YESSSS!!!! It's about time somone other then us suffer major injuries....

 

doesn't make Prior or Wood healthy

 

Actually, Prior is healthy right now.

 

mentally?

[Andy]

Maybe this will be the year that all the Cards players get hurt and our crap ass players play awesome.

 

What crap ass players? Murton? Soriano? Dlee? Aram? Jones? Barret? Derosa?

 

Honestly, I know you are gonna say Izzy, or Marquis or something like that. But really, how much does 1 or 2 "crap" players hurt us with our team?

 

Guys like Blanco, Izzy, Cedeno, and Marquis. I'm not criticizing our team, I really like our team, but maybe it'll be a reversal of the Cards' fortunes and our "scrubs" will have their career years, like Scott Spiezio, Hector Luna, So Taguchi, and Jeff Suppan have had during their tenures with the Cardinals.

Tony Womack. Six-year minor league veteran Chris Duncan coming up and tearing the world apart out of nowhere. Just about every reliever they've ever acquired. Hell, just about any pitcher period.

[soccer10k]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

 

If Carp was on the Cubs, he would skip his next start, make the one after that, and feel pain again. Then they would do another MRI and they would realize he has to have Tommy John surgery.

 

But since he's on the Cardinals, he'll skip his next start, make the one after that, and give up a couple hits and no runs in however many innings they let him go.

[C.C.]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

 

If Carp was on the Cubs, he would skip his next start, make the one after that, and feel pain again. Then they would do another MRI and they would realize he has to have Tommy John surgery.

 

But since he's on the Cardinals, he'll skip his next start, make the one after that, and give up a couple hits and no runs in however many innings they let him go.

 

Would not surprise me at all. Also, wanna bet Kip Wells wins at least 15-16 games this year?

[biittner77]

IF Carpenter really does miss significant time the Cards will just sign Jesus Sanchez and he'll win 17 games with a 3.30 ERA and Duncan will be a genius again.

 

Surely when Walt Jockety sold his soul to the devil to make every steaming pile of crap into an all star he took this possibility into account.

[RynoRules]

The Cards are due for some bad luck, but I don't wish injury on anyone.

 

That said, if this puts him out for a while they have big problems. Though I think Wainwright could ultimately be as good as him.

[baseball7897]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

 

If Carp was on the Cubs, he would skip his next start, make the one after that, and feel pain again. Then they would do another MRI and they would realize he has to have Tommy John surgery.

 

But since he's on the Cardinals, he'll skip his next start, make the one after that, and give up a couple hits and no runs in however many innings they let him go.

 

Would not surprise me at all. Also, wanna bet Kip Wells wins at least 15-16 games this year?

 

Looper will probably win 15-16 games as well.

[KyHen]

I do want to say that I think that its absurd to attribute the Cardinals success to "luck."

 

Yes, I agree, Kip Wells probably will have a good season. It's not because of luck, though.

 

The production they get from free agents they sign (particularly position players) is often times greatly exaggerated.

[tkenm356]

I'm glad he's injured for the Cubs sake.

 

I'm upset he's injured for my fantasy team's sake.

 

Not that I would've drafted him anyways, but it makes me even more frustrated that I missed the draft and it picked Carpenter up for me in the 2nd friggin' round, something I NEVER would've done in ANY round.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

 

There's a doctor on the Card's medical staff with the last name of Patella?

 

I wonder if he works closely with the team's strength coach, Gary Barbell.

[wolf stansson]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

 

There's a doctor on the Card's medical staff with the last name of Patella?

 

I wonder if he works closely with the team's strength coach, Gary Barbell.

It's actually Paletta.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Joe Buck is talking about it right now. He was talking with Dr. Patella (Cards medical staff member), and they said that based on what they saw they saw it didn't even warrant an MRI.

 

As a precaution, though, they will be skipping his next start while monitoring his recovery.

 

There's a doctor on the Card's medical staff with the last name of Patella?

 

I wonder if he works closely with the team's strength coach, Gary Barbell.

It's actually Paletta.

 

Not anymore.

[Guest]

I do want to say that I think that its absurd to attribute the Cardinals success to "luck."

 

Yes, I agree, Kip Wells probably will have a good season. It's not because of luck, though.

 

The production they get from free agents they sign (particularly position players) is often times greatly exaggerated.

 

 

Yes, it is. Carpenter is a great story - but to me injuries are part of baseball - especially for pitchers. Doesn't bother me at all if the Cubs win while Carpenter is hurt.

 

Speaking of So (Bad) - what's up with his defense? He looked terrible in LF on Sunday night.

[KyHen]

It's actually Paletta.

 

I honestly did not know that. I have operated all of this time thinking that his name was Patella. In my defense though, I don't live in the St. Louis area so I never hear these names out loud. I'll often times glance at a name once, unknowingly pronounce it wrong and stick with that.

 

eg: Bernie Miklasz; for the longest time, I pronounced his name "Mill - az - key."

 

 

Yes, it is. Carpenter is a great story - but to me injuries are part of baseball - especially for pitchers. Doesn't bother me at all if the Cubs win while Carpenter is hurt.

 

Yes what is? STL free agent position player production being overrated, or the other stuff being attributed to luck? (I'm guessing you're talking about the latter.)

 

 

Speaking of So (Bad) - what's up with his defense? He looked terrible in LF on Sunday night.

 

I don't really know. He didn't look like himself defensively last year, either. I personally think it's time they cut him and go with Schumaker (and replace J-Rod with Taguchi). Schumaker had a pretty brutal play yesterday too, though.

[Guest]

Cards scrap heap production is over-stated by Cub fans. Its like Card fans saying Neifi is over-producing because he hits one GW grand slam.

[wolf stansson]

Cards scrap heap production is over-stated by Cub fans. Its like Card fans saying Neifi is over-producing because he hits one GW grand slam.

I don't know.

 

Tony Womack - '03: 349 at bats, .226/.251/.307. OPS+ 40. '04 with Cards: 553 at bats, .307/.349/.385. OPS+ 93 (career high). '05 Yankees: 329 at bats, .249/.276/.280. OPS+ 47.

Nunez - '04: 182 at bats, .236/.275/.319. OPS+ 56. '05 with Cards: 421 at bats, .285/.343/.361. OPS+ 84 (career high). '06: 322 at bats, .211/.303/.273. OPS + 48.

John Mabry's 4 best seasons were as a Cardinal, his best after being cut by the Mariners at age 34.

Al Reyes, Kiko Calero and Josh Kinney all came out of relatively nowhere to have great years as key set up men.

Fernando Tatis had ops+'s of 118, 140 and 118 for the Cardinals and then disappeared.

Kent Bottenfield was a career swing man who won 18 games with an era+ of 115 as a starter in '99.

 

Of course the most obvious example of Cardinals luck is Chris Carpenter.

[KyHen]

Part-time guys are somewhat misleading though. They can have inflated stats from limited exposure, and from being but into favorable situations when they do get time. I think that is one of La Russa's strengths -- putting players in a positiion to succeed.

 

Ultimately, though, it's their philosiphy. Commit to only proven guys that are sure things (Rolen, Edmonds, Pujols, Carp, etc); don't go after the big fish in free agency. Instead, sign low-risk, high-reward players.

 

Sidney Ponson could very well have been a success last year. He wasn't. He got cut, and made what... $2 million last year? What about Junior Spivey? How did he fare last year? He spent the whole year in AAA. The Cards were on the books for a mere $1.5 million. Both of these signings had upside; neither of them worked out. Because of the way they were structured, they were not damning.

 

The Cards have their fair share of signings that don't work out well. It's just that the signings are low risk, and have very few -- if any -- ramifications down the line if they do not work out well.

 

And pitchers tend to be a different story. I liken a pitcher coming to St. Louis to a running back going to Denver. You're not suprised with a back goes there and has success (nor are you surprised if he struggles when he leaves). I think their traditionally strong defense and Dave Duncan are responsible for pitching success, not luck.

[oldstyle81]

Huzzah?

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd like any advantage over the Cardinals... but at the same time I'd like to legitimately take the division, without cards fans being allowed to say "well if carp weren't hurt..."

 

boo hoo for them