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[Chocolate Milk]

As it turned out, the Bears had good offensive skill players. They just had Kyle Orton as the QB.

 

A lot of credit should go to Goony. He was anti TE for quite some time.

[goonys evil twin]

As it turned out, the Bears had good offensive skill players. They just had Kyle Orton as the QB.

 

A lot of credit should go to Goony. He was anti TE for quite some time.

 

Well, I was anti-spend a first round pick on a TE. I still think the team could use some offensive firepower, but my hopes all along were more defensive playmakers (I think it's obvious the D-Line needs some) and offensive lineman (they are old, have no depth, and are not pass blocking very well).

[bukie]

Here's a power rankings I can basically agree with: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6265494

 

It's objective, but I also agree with him that the Chargers are probably the best team overall right now.

 

Was thinking of starting a NFL Playoff discussion thread, but it might be too soon yet.

[goonys evil twin]

I have a hard time believing that the top 3 picks won't be Quinn, J. Thomas and C. Johnson, in some order.

 

The wild card could be Adrian Peterson, but yeah, I tend to agree.

 

Seems to me that if the top 3 picks go to Detroit, Oakland and Tampa, then you've got three teams that don't really need a RB picking first.

 

I'm not so sure I agree with that. You are talking about 3 teams whose running backs, and running games, are at the bottom of the league. They might have some names up there, and recently drafted guys, but they aren't getting any production. The Bears had a much better running back situation, with TJones and a quality backup in Peterson, when they drafted Benson. I think teams in that situation would be, and should be, willing to draft a RB that high. I'm guessing QB would be at the top of each of their lists, but I don't see 3 QBs going that high, and RB has to be up there.

 

Detroit probably has the most stable RB situation of that group, and they have the worst running attack in football, and their started just got injured.

 

Cadillac sucks. After 2 years of getting most of the carries, he's done nothing, besides the hot start. Teams start looking to replace RBs who don't produce for 2 years, it's not like the QB position where you develop.

 

And in Oakland, Jordan has been in the league for 6 years now, and he's pretty much shown he's no franchise back. He's a nice backup and solid change of pace guy, but I don't think they should be counting on him to carry the load for long. And of course, he's injured. And Fargas isn't much of anything.

[Chocolate Milk]

Detroit probably has the most stable RB situation of that group, and they have the worst running attack in football, and their started just got injured.

 

Probably not anymore. Jones' injury is very serious and might cause him to miss a portion of 2007.

[Banedon]

Detroit probably has the most stable RB situation of that group, and they have the worst running attack in football, and their started just got injured.

 

Probably not anymore. Jones' injury is very serious and might cause him to miss a portion of 2007.

 

Oh man...I didn't read what you quoted, and I thought you meant Thomas Jones...

[cubweiser03]

Is Ginn going to go pro? Are people saying he is gone? I sure would like it if he took Gonzalez with him to the NFL. I think Gonzalez is a better pro prospect than Ginn is. Ginn is so freaking thin. I guess he could be as good as Santana Moss though. Im not sure if Millen has the balls to draft Quinn, dude needs results faster than Hendry does. The Lions backup Qb has more catches than Mike Williams. Maybe they will draft CJ. Ha. Ive seen projections that the Browns might take DT Alan Branch if he comes out.

 

Its sweet with the local radio around here not really talking about the lions next game but what are they going to do in the draft. :twisted:

[Andy]

Is Ginn going to go pro? Are people saying he is gone? I sure would like it if he took Gonzalez with him to the NFL. I think Gonzalez is a better pro prospect than Ginn is. Ginn is so freaking thin. I guess he could be as good as Santana Moss though. Im not sure if Millen has the balls to draft Quinn, dude needs results faster than Hendry does. The Lions backup Qb has more catches than Mike Williams. Maybe they will draft CJ. Ha. Ive seen projections that the Browns might take DT Alan Branch if he comes out.

 

Its sweet with the local radio around here not really talking about the lions next game but what are they going to do in the draft. :twisted:

Marinelli has said that Kitna's his guy for 2007, which could lend credence to the theory that they might draft Quinn and Carson Palmer him for a year.

[BigSlick]

Is Ginn going to go pro? Are people saying he is gone? I sure would like it if he took Gonzalez with him to the NFL. I think Gonzalez is a better pro prospect than Ginn is. Ginn is so freaking thin. I guess he could be as good as Santana Moss though. Im not sure if Millen has the balls to draft Quinn, dude needs results faster than Hendry does. The Lions backup Qb has more catches than Mike Williams. Maybe they will draft CJ. Ha. Ive seen projections that the Browns might take DT Alan Branch if he comes out.

 

Its sweet with the local radio around here not really talking about the lions next game but what are they going to do in the draft. :twisted:

Marinelli has said that Kitna's his guy for 2007, which could lend credence to the theory that they might draft Quinn and Carson Palmer him for a year.

 

I know that Quinn is magically somehow the lock for the first overall pick in the draft, but, is anyone else thinking that he could become a huge bust?

 

I mean, yeah, he's been playing in that pro-style offense for two years and is the "most ready" but I haven't been impressed with him in any big game at the college level.

 

Do I think he'll bust? No. I think he'll be a pretty safe pick. But I don't think he's as safe as everyone thinks he is.

[Andy]

Is Ginn going to go pro? Are people saying he is gone? I sure would like it if he took Gonzalez with him to the NFL. I think Gonzalez is a better pro prospect than Ginn is. Ginn is so freaking thin. I guess he could be as good as Santana Moss though. Im not sure if Millen has the balls to draft Quinn, dude needs results faster than Hendry does. The Lions backup Qb has more catches than Mike Williams. Maybe they will draft CJ. Ha. Ive seen projections that the Browns might take DT Alan Branch if he comes out.

 

Its sweet with the local radio around here not really talking about the lions next game but what are they going to do in the draft. :twisted:

Marinelli has said that Kitna's his guy for 2007, which could lend credence to the theory that they might draft Quinn and Carson Palmer him for a year.

 

I know that Quinn is magically somehow the lock for the first overall pick in the draft, but, is anyone else thinking that he could become a huge bust?

 

I mean, yeah, he's been playing in that pro-style offense for two years and is the "most ready" but I haven't been impressed with him in any big game at the college level.

 

Do I think he'll bust? No. I think he'll be a pretty safe pick. But I don't think he's as safe as everyone thinks he is.

As much as I know you'd love to see Brady Quinn crash and burn, here are a few stats:

 

Career Record:

 

Quinn: 29-16

QB1: 27-18

 

Record vs. Top 15 teams:

Quinn: 2-7

QB1: 2-7

 

Career Numbers:

Quinn: 914-1567, 11,614 yards, 93 TDs, 37 INTs, 58.3 comp%, 7.41 yards/attempt

QB1: 927-1569, 11.818 yards, 72 TDs, 49 INTs, 59.1 comp%, 7.53 yards/attempt

 

This "all-numbers" QB who couldn't get it done in big games' name was Carson Palmer, coached by Norm Chow. At worst, Quinn/Weis is a wash.

 

Brady's gonna be fine.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

As much as I know you'd love to see Brady Quinn crash and burn, here are a few stats:

 

Career Record:

 

Quinn: 29-16

QB1: 27-18

 

Record vs. Top 15 teams:

Quinn: 2-7

QB1: 2-7

 

Career Numbers:

Quinn: 914-1567, 11,614 yards, 93 TDs, 37 INTs, 58.3 comp%, 7.41 yards/attempt

QB1: 927-1569, 11.818 yards, 72 TDs, 49 INTs, 59.1 comp%, 7.53 yards/attempt

 

This "all-numbers" QB who couldn't get it done in big games' name was Carson Palmer, coached by Norm Chow. At worst, Quinn/Weis is a wash.

 

Brady's gonna be fine.

 

:shrug: Career records aren't the best of things to look at in terms of a pro prospect. Both Quinn and Palmer didn't play with that many playmakers at other skill positions and Quinn hasn't played with a good defense. And, of course, Carson Palmer was coached by Norm Chow for just the last two seasons...and really had one good year at USC - his senior season.

 

Looking at stats isn't the best idea - gotta look at the overall picture. Being able to run a pro offense was good for Carson and it will be good for Brady at the next step. Brady doesn't have the arm strength that Carson did, I think their accuracy is about equal. When coming out of college, Carson was a better prospect than Quinn will be. But in this era where franchise QBs are king, no way Brady Quinn shouldn't go with the top pick.

[brinoch]

ah, found it. Now to make all you fools accountable!

 

Hester? Yikes.

 

Now, everyone say you're sorry to Mr. Angelo and Mr. Hester :D

 

Sometimes it's so good to be oh-so-wrong. :)

Edited December 13, 2006 by brinoch

[Andy]

As much as I know you'd love to see Brady Quinn crash and burn, here are a few stats:

 

Career Record:

 

Quinn: 29-16

QB1: 27-18

 

Record vs. Top 15 teams:

Quinn: 2-7

QB1: 2-7

 

Career Numbers:

Quinn: 914-1567, 11,614 yards, 93 TDs, 37 INTs, 58.3 comp%, 7.41 yards/attempt

QB1: 927-1569, 11.818 yards, 72 TDs, 49 INTs, 59.1 comp%, 7.53 yards/attempt

 

This "all-numbers" QB who couldn't get it done in big games' name was Carson Palmer, coached by Norm Chow. At worst, Quinn/Weis is a wash.

 

Brady's gonna be fine.

 

:shrug: Career records aren't the best of things to look at in terms of a pro prospect. Both Quinn and Palmer didn't play with that many playmakers at other skill positions and Quinn hasn't played with a good defense. And, of course, Carson Palmer was coached by Norm Chow for just the last two seasons...and really had one good year at USC - his senior season.

 

Looking at stats isn't the best idea - gotta look at the overall picture. Being able to run a pro offense was good for Carson and it will be good for Brady at the next step. Brady doesn't have the arm strength that Carson did, I think their accuracy is about equal. When coming out of college, Carson was a better prospect than Quinn will be. But in this era where franchise QBs are king, no way Brady Quinn shouldn't go with the top pick.

I was just responding to BigSlick's post that Quinn might end up busting because he "can't come through in big games". Of course, I don't consider 22/45, 330 yards, 3 TD, 0 INTs, and 70 rushing yards (his USC stats) when your team is letting you down repeatedly with dropped balls and no blocking "not coming through", but that's another thread.

[Soul]

As much as I know you'd love to see Brady Quinn crash and burn, here are a few stats:

 

Career Record:

 

Quinn: 29-16

QB1: 27-18

 

Record vs. Top 15 teams:

Quinn: 2-7

QB1: 2-7

 

Career Numbers:

Quinn: 914-1567, 11,614 yards, 93 TDs, 37 INTs, 58.3 comp%, 7.41 yards/attempt

QB1: 927-1569, 11.818 yards, 72 TDs, 49 INTs, 59.1 comp%, 7.53 yards/attempt

 

This "all-numbers" QB who couldn't get it done in big games' name was Carson Palmer, coached by Norm Chow. At worst, Quinn/Weis is a wash.

 

Brady's gonna be fine.

 

:shrug: Career records aren't the best of things to look at in terms of a pro prospect. Both Quinn and Palmer didn't play with that many playmakers at other skill positions and Quinn hasn't played with a good defense. And, of course, Carson Palmer was coached by Norm Chow for just the last two seasons...and really had one good year at USC - his senior season.

 

Looking at stats isn't the best idea - gotta look at the overall picture. Being able to run a pro offense was good for Carson and it will be good for Brady at the next step. Brady doesn't have the arm strength that Carson did, I think their accuracy is about equal. When coming out of college, Carson was a better prospect than Quinn will be. But in this era where franchise QBs are king, no way Brady Quinn shouldn't go with the top pick.

I was just responding to BigSlick's post that Quinn might end up busting because he "can't come through in big games". Of course, I don't consider 22/45, 330 yards, 3 TD, 0 INTs, and 70 rushing yards (his USC stats) when your team is letting you down repeatedly with dropped balls and no blocking "not coming through", but that's another thread.

 

I'd like to see the final list of top prospects next spring, but my early sense is that Quinn should go high 1st round.

 

His arm strength is fine. He's tall. He's run a very good NCAA offense for awhile. He's played under Weis---a solid coach from a successful pro team.

 

I don't see how anyone could deny that Brady Quinn is a high 1st rounder. Not that I'm hearing alot of that.

[Chocolate Milk]

Is Ginn going to go pro? Are people saying he is gone? I sure would like it if he took Gonzalez with him to the NFL. I think Gonzalez is a better pro prospect than Ginn is. Ginn is so freaking thin. I guess he could be as good as Santana Moss though. Im not sure if Millen has the balls to draft Quinn, dude needs results faster than Hendry does. The Lions backup Qb has more catches than Mike Williams. Maybe they will draft CJ. Ha. Ive seen projections that the Browns might take DT Alan Branch if he comes out.

 

Its sweet with the local radio around here not really talking about the lions next game but what are they going to do in the draft. :twisted:

Marinelli has said that Kitna's his guy for 2007, which could lend credence to the theory that they might draft Quinn and Carson Palmer him for a year.

 

I know that Quinn is magically somehow the lock for the first overall pick in the draft, but, is anyone else thinking that he could become a huge bust?

 

I mean, yeah, he's been playing in that pro-style offense for two years and is the "most ready" but I haven't been impressed with him in any big game at the college level.

 

Do I think he'll bust? No. I think he'll be a pretty safe pick. But I don't think he's as safe as everyone thinks he is.

 

http://pages.britishlibrary.net/patgardiner/images/Mushroom%20Cloud%203.gif

[CubColtPacer]

As much as I know you'd love to see Brady Quinn crash and burn, here are a few stats:

 

Career Record:

 

Quinn: 29-16

QB1: 27-18

 

Record vs. Top 15 teams:

Quinn: 2-7

QB1: 2-7

 

Career Numbers:

Quinn: 914-1567, 11,614 yards, 93 TDs, 37 INTs, 58.3 comp%, 7.41 yards/attempt

QB1: 927-1569, 11.818 yards, 72 TDs, 49 INTs, 59.1 comp%, 7.53 yards/attempt

 

This "all-numbers" QB who couldn't get it done in big games' name was Carson Palmer, coached by Norm Chow. At worst, Quinn/Weis is a wash.

 

Brady's gonna be fine.

 

:shrug: Career records aren't the best of things to look at in terms of a pro prospect. Both Quinn and Palmer didn't play with that many playmakers at other skill positions and Quinn hasn't played with a good defense. And, of course, Carson Palmer was coached by Norm Chow for just the last two seasons...and really had one good year at USC - his senior season.

 

Looking at stats isn't the best idea - gotta look at the overall picture. Being able to run a pro offense was good for Carson and it will be good for Brady at the next step. Brady doesn't have the arm strength that Carson did, I think their accuracy is about equal. When coming out of college, Carson was a better prospect than Quinn will be. But in this era where franchise QBs are king, no way Brady Quinn shouldn't go with the top pick.

I was just responding to BigSlick's post that Quinn might end up busting because he "can't come through in big games". Of course, I don't consider 22/45, 330 yards, 3 TD, 0 INTs, and 70 rushing yards (his USC stats) when your team is letting you down repeatedly with dropped balls and no blocking "not coming through", but that's another thread.

 

I would agree with that. Brady may very well bust because of his sometimes questionable accuracy, but he won't bust because he can't show up in big games. Brady's biggest strength is his ability to make good decisions with the football. That is what caused him to have so few INT's on the year (and remember, 2 of the 3 INT's against Michigan were a ball off the tight end's hands, a ball where Brady tried to throw it deep, got hit as he threw, the ball sailed about 12 yards and was picked off, and the third INT was Brady trying to force it into coverage trying to make a play down by a bunch in the 4th). With the huge emphasis in the NFL on ball security, Brady's decision making will keep him in the league-if his accuracy can become more consistent, he could be one of those true franchise QB's-if it doesn't, he could flame out and be a consistent backup after a few years.

 

Oh, I forgot, Brady is as tough as they come. Forget the "Brady is courageous" talk during the USC game-that was simply ridiculous. If you want to see toughness, Brady's freshman year when he played USC was unbelievable. They hit him with shot after shot after shot in the second half, and Quinn kept standing up and staying in the pocket-I have no idea how he came out of that game alive. He's not afraid to stay in the pocket and make a throw, and that will help him on the NFL level as well.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

As much as I know you'd love to see Brady Quinn crash and burn, here are a few stats:

 

Career Record:

 

Quinn: 29-16

QB1: 27-18

 

Record vs. Top 15 teams:

Quinn: 2-7

QB1: 2-7

 

Career Numbers:

Quinn: 914-1567, 11,614 yards, 93 TDs, 37 INTs, 58.3 comp%, 7.41 yards/attempt

QB1: 927-1569, 11.818 yards, 72 TDs, 49 INTs, 59.1 comp%, 7.53 yards/attempt

 

This "all-numbers" QB who couldn't get it done in big games' name was Carson Palmer, coached by Norm Chow. At worst, Quinn/Weis is a wash.

 

Brady's gonna be fine.

 

:shrug: Career records aren't the best of things to look at in terms of a pro prospect. Both Quinn and Palmer didn't play with that many playmakers at other skill positions and Quinn hasn't played with a good defense. And, of course, Carson Palmer was coached by Norm Chow for just the last two seasons...and really had one good year at USC - his senior season.

 

Looking at stats isn't the best idea - gotta look at the overall picture. Being able to run a pro offense was good for Carson and it will be good for Brady at the next step. Brady doesn't have the arm strength that Carson did, I think their accuracy is about equal. When coming out of college, Carson was a better prospect than Quinn will be. But in this era where franchise QBs are king, no way Brady Quinn shouldn't go with the top pick.

I was just responding to BigSlick's post that Quinn might end up busting because he "can't come through in big games". Of course, I don't consider 22/45, 330 yards, 3 TD, 0 INTs, and 70 rushing yards (his USC stats) when your team is letting you down repeatedly with dropped balls and no blocking "not coming through", but that's another thread.

 

And I agree with you on that point. That was my point in mr first paragraph.

[TruffleShuffle]

They hit him with shot after shot after shot in the second half, and Quinn kept standing up and staying in the pocket-I have no idea how he came out of that game alive. He's not afraid to stay in the pocket and make a throw, and that will help him on the NFL level as well.

 

well that's good, because if he gets picked by detroit or oakland he's going to be getting drilled a lot

[TruffleShuffle]

can't believe abiamiri is a senior already. It seems like just yesterday that he took money from a Maryland coach.

:?:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2003/08/11/maryland_probation_ap/

 

 

surprised you didn't know about that - there's a good chance it's the reason he ended up at ND. Most people thought he was headed for Maryland until the recruiting fiasco.

[Andy]

can't believe abiamiri is a senior already. It seems like just yesterday that he took money from a Maryland coach.

:?:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2003/08/11/maryland_probation_ap/

 

 

surprised you didn't know about that - there's a good chance it's the reason he ended up at ND. Most people thought he was headed for Maryland until the recruiting fiasco.

Hmmm, well thank the lord Maryland's coaches lost their ethics because without him we have no defense.

[Chocolate Milk]

The Patriots released Doug Gabriel.

[soccer10k]

"With the first pick in the 2007 NFL draft, the Oakland Raiders select...Brady Quinn."

[dew1679666265]

Time for Vince to lead the Titans to within one game of second place in the AFC South!

Never did I think I would be even hopeful that the Titans would have a chance to beat Jax this year, but now I expect a close game and think we have a good shot at a win. :shock:

It's a great feeling, even though we're going to miss out on the number one receiver (Ted Ginn or Calvin Johnson) we need so badly.

 

The draft is so deep in WRs that I wouldn't worry about missing out on Calvin Johnson - Jarrett, Ginn and Meachem should all be in the 8-20 range.

 

I hope you're right, but I'm afraid Calvin won't drop below top 10 and if we keep winning, we'll be out of that area.

Also, as much as I like Meachem, I doubt he goes above Calvin if Robert decides to leave early.

 

I didn't mention Calvin because I think he's a top-5 pick. Meachem is with the guys like Ginn and Jarrett, I think.

 

I see what you were saying in the post now. Sorry about misunderstanding it.

I also doubt Ginn will drop below the top-10 so he's probably ruled out. After those two, with no disrespect for Meachem or Jarrett, I'd just as soon the Titans look at impact ends.

The DEs in the draft are not high first round quality but if the Titans settle in around the teens, somebody like Abiamiri from ND or the kid from Purdue (maybe CubColtPacer or some other Big Ten fan can refresh my memory, I think his last name's Spencer) would look real good.

Not that I wouldn't be happy with a WR, I just think Ginn and Calvin are a level above Meachem and Jarrett.

 

A DE? How about Gaines Adams (Clemson) or Quentin Moses (Georgia)?

 

The Boilermaker you're talking about is Anthony Spencer.

 

I would love Adams but think he'll go somewhere in the top 10 and we likely won't be there. Moses and his teammate Charles Johnson are guys I had forgotten about but would love to have. Moses would likely have to be taken with the first rounder, but Johnson may fall to the second round.

Thanks for reminding me of Spencer's first name, I keep forgetting it. :?

[soccer10k]

Seattle (-10) over San Francisco.

[Andy]

Seattle (-10) over San Francisco.

I'll take SF.