Cubs Sign Marquis to 3/21

[jjgman21]

 

But I think people should be careful in suggesting that a hitter has no control over a ball once hit. Batters have a large range in production via their batted balls. So within the world of contact, there is a world of difference between one hitter and the next.

 

....

 

*For balls in play, you can crush one and still be out, and dink another and end up with a hit. So there is a degree of randomness, leading to the scatter in BABIP from year to year. But, there are substantial hitter-based patterns in BABIP.

 

I think it goes without saying that the harder you hit the ball, the better chance that you get a hit.

 

that said I wish they would just start measuring the speed at which the ball leaves the players bat and take the mystery out of all of this. how hard can it be?

[Andy]

 

2.) Cedeno outpeformed Neifi Perez in 2006 which is all that matters.

 

 

04/03 - 10/01  AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR  TB RBI  BB  SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
Cedeno        534  51 131  18   7   6 181  41  17 109  0.245  0.271  0.339  0.610
Perez         236  27  60  13   1   2  81  24   5  21  0.254  0.266  0.343  0.610

 

I think they were equally bad, no?

 

Not that it makes much of a difference, but based on that, I think Neifi's OPS is .609.

Probably rounding abnormalities (i.e. Neifi's OBP would be .2663 or something and his SLG is .3433, therefore adding up to .6096 and being rounded to .610).

[nilodnayr]

walking is better than making contact.

Though Bonds in 2001 came very close to changing that balance for himself.

 

And Mizzou: I'll take a team that can draw a walk every time to one that can make solid contact every time - every time.

 

Actually a team that can draw a walk every time will never get out of the first inning if they dont make any outs on the bases. After about 3 business days and about 675432 runs scored the MLB would have to step in with a slaughter rule.

[Jon]

walking is better than making contact.

Though Bonds in 2001 came very close to changing that balance for himself.

 

And Mizzou: I'll take a team that can draw a walk every time to one that can make solid contact every time - every time.

 

Actually a team that can draw a walk every time will never get out of the first inning if they dont make any outs on the bases. After about 3 business days and about 675432 runs scored the MLB would have to step in with a slaughter rule.

But think of the advertising revenue. And if Bonds was involved, ESPN would cut to ever AB of his, making the ad billboard behind home plate quite profitable.

[Bull]

walking is better than making contact.

 

working the count to get a good pitch>walking>swinging at the first pitch

[BigbadB]

walking is better than making contact.

Though Bonds in 2001 came very close to changing that balance for himself.

 

And Mizzou: I'll take a team that can draw a walk every time to one that can make solid contact every time - every time.

 

Actually a team that can draw a walk every time will never get out of the first inning if they dont make any outs on the bases. After about 3 business days and about 675432 runs scored the MLB would have to step in with a slaughter rule.

But think of the advertising revenue. And if Bonds was involved, ESPN would cut to ever AB of his, making the ad billboard behind home plate quite profitable.

 

Don't forget also that steroids would no longer be an issue. :P

[nilodnayr]

walking is better than making contact.

Though Bonds in 2001 came very close to changing that balance for himself.

 

And Mizzou: I'll take a team that can draw a walk every time to one that can make solid contact every time - every time.

 

Actually a team that can draw a walk every time will never get out of the first inning if they dont make any outs on the bases. After about 3 business days and about 675432 runs scored the MLB would have to step in with a slaughter rule.

But think of the advertising revenue. And if Bonds was involved, ESPN would cut to ever AB of his, making the ad billboard behind home plate quite profitable.

 

Don't forget also that steroids would no longer be an issue. :P

 

Didn't they say that steroids enhances eyesight though? If that is the case then being able to recognize pitches and taking them would be affected by steroids.

[sethuel1]

walking is better than making contact.

Though Bonds in 2001 came very close to changing that balance for himself.

 

And Mizzou: I'll take a team that can draw a walk every time to one that can make solid contact every time - every time.

 

Actually a team that can draw a walk every time will never get out of the first inning if they dont make any outs on the bases. After about 3 business days and about 675432 runs scored the MLB would have to step in with a slaughter rule.

But think of the advertising revenue. And if Bonds was involved, ESPN would cut to ever AB of his, making the ad billboard behind home plate quite profitable.

 

Don't forget also that steroids would no longer be an issue. :P

 

Didn't they say that steroids enhances eyesight though? If that is the case then being able to recognize pitches and taking them would be affected by steroids.

 

growth hormone enhances eyesight

[nilodnayr]

walking is better than making contact.

Though Bonds in 2001 came very close to changing that balance for himself.

 

And Mizzou: I'll take a team that can draw a walk every time to one that can make solid contact every time - every time.

 

Actually a team that can draw a walk every time will never get out of the first inning if they dont make any outs on the bases. After about 3 business days and about 675432 runs scored the MLB would have to step in with a slaughter rule.

But think of the advertising revenue. And if Bonds was involved, ESPN would cut to ever AB of his, making the ad billboard behind home plate quite profitable.

 

Don't forget also that steroids would no longer be an issue. :P

 

Didn't they say that steroids enhances eyesight though? If that is the case then being able to recognize pitches and taking them would be affected by steroids.

 

growth hormone enhances eyesight

 

Did you end up going to optometry school? (Seriously)

[sethuel1]

walking is better than making contact.

Though Bonds in 2001 came very close to changing that balance for himself.

 

And Mizzou: I'll take a team that can draw a walk every time to one that can make solid contact every time - every time.

 

Actually a team that can draw a walk every time will never get out of the first inning if they dont make any outs on the bases. After about 3 business days and about 675432 runs scored the MLB would have to step in with a slaughter rule.

But think of the advertising revenue. And if Bonds was involved, ESPN would cut to ever AB of his, making the ad billboard behind home plate quite profitable.

 

Don't forget also that steroids would no longer be an issue. :P

 

Didn't they say that steroids enhances eyesight though? If that is the case then being able to recognize pitches and taking them would be affected by steroids.

 

growth hormone enhances eyesight

 

Did you end up going to optometry school? (Seriously)

yep. But I didn't learn that there

[tkenm356]

So how bout that Marquis contract?

[Garwilly]

So how bout that Marquis contract?

 

He hits well, doesn't walk well. :lol:

[Mephistopheles]

walking is better than making contact.

 

working the count to get a good pitch>walking>swinging at the first pitch

 

If that were the case then guys who walk and strike out a lot should have the highest LD%s. Last season LD% and (BB+SO)/PA had an r of -0.06157, so nope on that one. BB/PA? 0.06227. So really no.

[Bruno7481]

walking is better than making contact.

 

working the count to get a good pitch>walking>swinging at the first pitch

 

If that were the case then guys who walk and strike out a lot should have the highest LD%s. Last season LD% and (BB+SO)/PA had an r of -0.06157, so nope on that one. BB/PA? 0.06227. So really no.

 

ummm...

 

e= mc2?

[Mephistopheles]

e = mc^2

[Guest]

e = mc^2

mc could be a single variable there, so it is more properly written: e = m*c^2

 

Or, best yet: e = m*(c^2)

 

You know, just to remove any doubt about operator precedence. :D

 

For premium users, e = m*c²

[CuseCubFan69]

walking is better than making contact.

 

working the count to get a good pitch>walking>swinging at the first pitch

 

If that were the case then guys who walk and strike out a lot should have the highest LD%s. Last season LD% and (BB+SO)/PA had an r of -0.06157, so nope on that one. BB/PA? 0.06227. So really no.

 

That's not the point of working the count. It's to get the pitcher to throw extra pitches so he tires further down the road.

[FergieJ31]

walking is better than making contact.

 

working the count to get a good pitch>walking>swinging at the first pitch

 

If that were the case then guys who walk and strike out a lot should have the highest LD%s. Last season LD% and (BB+SO)/PA had an r of -0.06157, so nope on that one. BB/PA? 0.06227. So really no.

 

That's not the point of working the count. It's to get the pitcher to throw extra pitches so he tires further down the road.

 

Yeah it's easy, and too glib IMO, to just say "walking trumps everything". Of course it does if you only look at the surface (it's like the Piniella line about sending 8 midgets up to walk every AB).

 

I think kctigers is forgetting one thing about why people walk: they tend to be dangerous hitters so the pitcher doesn't want to throw strikes. I also don't get why what MrWood said should imply a high correlation between K+BB rate and LD%.

[CuseCubFan69]

walking is better than making contact.

 

working the count to get a good pitch>walking>swinging at the first pitch

 

If that were the case then guys who walk and strike out a lot should have the highest LD%s. Last season LD% and (BB+SO)/PA had an r of -0.06157, so nope on that one. BB/PA? 0.06227. So really no.

 

That's not the point of working the count. It's to get the pitcher to throw extra pitches so he tires further down the road.

 

Yeah it's easy, and too glib IMO, to just say "walking trumps everything". Of course it does if you only look at the surface (it's like the Piniella line about sending 8 midgets up to walk every AB).

 

I think kctigers is forgetting one thing about why people walk: they tend to be dangerous hitters so the pitcher doesn't want to throw strikes. I also don't get why what MrWood said should imply a high correlation between K+BB rate and LD%.

 

I think the teams that have a consistant scoring rate make pitchers throw the ball more often. Heck, I want guys that hit for a high average and walk a lot!

 

You're right, a dangerous hitter makes a pitcher pitch a little more carefully and a selective dangerous hitter even more so. Vlad swings at everything but is a dangerous hitter while Bonds makes the pitchers pitch and IMO is the biggest pain in the butt to pitch to. The combination of two is really hard to teach and even harder to impliment.

[UK1679666180]

While it's ideal to let every pitcher's pitch go by and not be afraid to choke up and inside out the ball with two strikes, every situation dictates different responses.

 

If I'm facing Marquis and he can't get his breaking pitch over, I would gear up dead red and look to nail him early in the count. There's no reason to allow him to get ahead in the count and give him two pitches per AB to find to breaking pitch.

 

Same thing with pitchers that tip, you find that weakness and you exploit it.

 

Going up against Maddux is different than Zambrano as far as approach.

 

For me, the point of working the count does many things (most of them are obvious)

 

1)Most pitchers in a 5+ pitch AB will make 2 mistakes.

2)Hitters get better pitches to hit when they are ahead in the count.

3)Increase the chances of baserunners via BB.

4)Wear the pitcher down.

 

There is also a difference between patient and passive, some hitters will let FBs go right down the middle either early in the count or when they're ahead in the count and it costs them. Bonds is probably the most aggressive hitter I've seen while being the most patient, when the pitch is in his zone, he'll try and just make contact, he swings hard on every swing.

[goonys evil twin]

There is also a difference between patient and passive, some hitters will let FBs go right down the middle either early in the count or when they're ahead in the count and it costs them.

 

Ryno

[UK1679666180]

I was thinking Bellhorn and Choi.

[CuseCubFan69]

I was thinking Bellhorn and Choi.

 

It's maddening to watch a hitter let 1-2 or 2-2 fastballs down the middle consistantly go by.

 

Bonds has a great plan when he goes up to the plate and impliments better than anyone I have ever seen.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I was thinking Bellhorn and Choi.

 

The "Hee Seop CHOI" chant at Wrigley was pretty cool. It was even cooler when a Korean friend tried to get a "Choi Hee SEOP" chant going, lol. Good times, I wish Choi would have panned out.

[nilodnayr]

walking is better than making contact.

 

working the count to get a good pitch>walking>swinging at the first pitch

 

If that were the case then guys who walk and strike out a lot should have the highest LD%s. Last season LD% and (BB+SO)/PA had an r of -0.06157, so nope on that one. BB/PA? 0.06227. So really no.

 

That's not the point of working the count. It's to get the pitcher to throw extra pitches so he tires further down the road.

 

Yeah it's easy, and too glib IMO, to just say "walking trumps everything". Of course it does if you only look at the surface (it's like the Piniella line about sending 8 midgets up to walk every AB).

 

I think kctigers is forgetting one thing about why people walk: they tend to be dangerous hitters so the pitcher doesn't want to throw strikes. I also don't get why what MrWood said should imply a high correlation between K+BB rate and LD%.

 

Interesting to note that of the top 40 guys in BBs, only 22 of them had 25 or more HRs. Power hitters definitely walk more than non-power hitters, but there are plenty of guys who don't have to be a big threat to hit the long ball to coax a walk.