Foxsports: Cubs discussing Jones for Jennings/Lugo

[Rob]

Why is everyone so high on Lugo? He's not that good of a player.

 

Cause "not that good of a player" >>>>>>> Izturis

[Vinestal]

I think people need to face the sad reality that Hendry is not going to get rid of Izturis for anyone, he loves Izturis.

[CubinNY]

Why is everyone so high on Lugo? He's not that good of a player.

 

Cause "not that good of a player" >>>>>>> Izturis

 

you forgot one >

 

Izturis would be fine if you could hide him in the 8th slot, but the Cubs don't have that luxury.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Why is everyone so high on Lugo? He's not that good of a player.

 

Cause "not that good of a player" >>>>>>> Izturis

 

you forgot one >

 

Izturis would be fine if you could hide him in the 8th slot, but the Cubs don't have that luxury.

 

Not that I disagree, however Bruce Miles mentioned (on this board) the other day that he believes Izturis will stay and hit 8th.

 

Food for thought!

[nilodnayr]

Why is everyone so high on Lugo? He's not that good of a player.

 

Cause "not that good of a player" >>>>>>> Izturis

 

you forgot one >

 

Izturis would be fine if you could hide him in the 8th slot, but the Cubs don't have that luxury.

 

Who is going to hit in the 8th slot if not Izturis?!?!?!?

[CubinNY]

Why is everyone so high on Lugo? He's not that good of a player.

 

Cause "not that good of a player" >>>>>>> Izturis

 

you forgot one >

 

Izturis would be fine if you could hide him in the 8th slot, but the Cubs don't have that luxury.

 

Who is going to hit in the 8th slot if not Izturis?!?!?!?

 

I wasn't clear, sorry. If you could hide him the 8th slot and not expect much offensive production from him.

 

Something like this

 

A. Jones

Soriano

Lee

Aramis

J. Jones

Murton

Barrett

Izturis

Pitcher

[nilodnayr]

Why is everyone so high on Lugo? He's not that good of a player.

 

Cause "not that good of a player" >>>>>>> Izturis

 

you forgot one >

 

Izturis would be fine if you could hide him in the 8th slot, but the Cubs don't have that luxury.

 

Who is going to hit in the 8th slot if not Izturis?!?!?!?

 

I wasn't clear, sorry. If you could hide him the 8th slot and not expect much offensive production from him.

 

Something like this

 

A. Jones

Soriano

Lee

Aramis

J. Jones

Murton

Barrett

Izturis

Pitcher

 

Gotcha...he will hit in the 8th slot, but wont be hidden. I don't think Murton/DeRosa are horrible 7 hole hitters.

[PrimeTime]

Looks like Hendry made on offer to Lilly... Its on Cubs.com

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jones for Jennings

 

Sign Lugo and Schmidt

 

Izturis for Crisp

 

 

Soriano

Covelli

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

DeRosa

Lugo

 

Z, Schmidt, Jennings, Hill, Miller/Prior

[BigbadB]

Jones for Jennings

 

Sign Lugo and Schmidt

 

Izturis for Crisp

 

 

Soriano

Covelli

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

DeRosa

Lugo

 

Z, Schmidt, Jennings, Hill, Miller/Prior

 

Explain who is playing left field and I might be sold on this offseason plan. Floyd and Murton works for me.

[nilodnayr]

Jones for Jennings

 

Sign Lugo and Schmidt

 

Izturis for Crisp

 

 

Soriano

Covelli

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

DeRosa

Lugo

 

Z, Schmidt, Jennings, Hill, Miller/Prior

 

That is the best possible rest of the offseason, but it will probably end up with...

 

Sign Lilly for 4/40

Sign Meche for 3/27

Sign Floyd for 4+incentives

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jones for Jennings

 

Sign Lugo and Schmidt

 

Izturis for Crisp

 

 

Soriano

Covelli

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

DeRosa

Lugo

 

Z, Schmidt, Jennings, Hill, Miller/Prior

 

Explain who is playing left field and I might be sold on this offseason plan. Floyd and Murton works for me.

 

Ack, just Murton.

 

Soriano

Covelli/Murton

Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

Murton/DeRosa

Lugo/Covelli

DeRosa/Lugo

[questionmarkgrace]

Covelli

 

who?

 

 

or you could sign lugo, trade izturis plus a reliever for Wily mo pena and install him in center.

 

Jones for jennings sounds great to me.

 

all in all we'd be getting pitching and boosting the obp.

[Guest]

Covelli

 

who?

Covelli is Coco Crisp's real first name.

[CubColtPacer]

The one thing not mentioned is that the SS FA market is even worse next year than it is this year. So if we do not acquire Lugo, we will definitely have to pick up Izturis' option barring a trade.

 

This is the point that I think is most interesting. The indications are that Lugo is not going to be picked up as a SS-not for this year anyway. If you don't pick up Lugo now though, then they probably let Izturis play SS in 2008 as well, while the indications are that they would move Lugo from CF to SS in 2008 if he were acquired. So would you rather have Jones and Izturis for 2 years (plus a FA pitcher), or Jennings, Lugo+Izturis for 1 year, and then Lugo+New CF for the second year.

 

I like the second option much better. I know that there are other options that people on here would love to do, but from all indications, those options are not going to happen, and Izturis will be the starting SS come Opening Day 07. So I see these options as the only two real viable ones, and I think the second one is definitely better.

[Mizzou]

Why is everyone so high on Lugo? He's not that good of a player.

 

Lugo is the only decent SS available, and look at the difference in Lugo and Izturis. If it's Lugo for CF, then I don't want him, but if we can bump Izturis out and get Lugo at short, I'm allllll for it.

All things equal, I'd definitely prefer Lugo to Izturis, but Lugo is going to be way overpaid. And you can't just dismiss his absolutely horrible performance in the NL last year (.219/.278/.267/.545 in 49 games). If we can dump Izturis and convince some other team to pay all of his salary, then I might jump on the Lugo bandwagon, but I just don't see that happening.

[nilodnayr]

Why is everyone so high on Lugo? He's not that good of a player.

 

Lugo is the only decent SS available, and look at the difference in Lugo and Izturis. If it's Lugo for CF, then I don't want him, but if we can bump Izturis out and get Lugo at short, I'm allllll for it.

All things equal, I'd definitely prefer Lugo to Izturis, but Lugo is going to be way overpaid. And you can't just dismiss his absolutely horrible performance in the NL last year (.219/.278/.267/.545 in 49 games). If we can dump Izturis and convince some other team to pay all of his salary, then I might jump on the Lugo bandwagon, but I just don't see that happening.

 

You can't dismiss it, but you can sure take it within context.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I feel obligated to post this yet again.

 

Jones >> Lugo >>>> Izturis

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I like Jones for Jennings.

 

I don't like Lugo in CF.

 

I like Lugo at SS.

[Fro]

I really like that series of moves, just because it'll be a lot easier to get a OF bat at the trade deadline as opposed to a starter. And you can bump Lugo to SS if Pie goes nuts, or after the trade for an OF. You'll also know if Soriano can handle CF or not.

 

Plus you keep the kids around for trade bait.

Edited December 2, 2006 by Fro

[nilodnayr]

I feel obligated to post this yet again.

 

Jones >> Lugo >>>> Izturis

 

Lugo OPS+

 

06:94 (122 in TB)

05:105

04:94

 

Jones OPS+

 

06:107

05:99

04:90

 

Jone's 3 year OPS+ (straight) average is 1 point higher than Lugo's and Lugo's is 27 points higher than Izturis'. To be fair, you'd have to add 50 more > to the Lugo/Izturis comparison. Of course, Lugo will cost nearly as much as both Jones and Izturis combined, so that needs to be considered.

 

After looking into the #s I don't really think that if we can get something decent for Jones, it would be so horrible to replace his production with Lugo, especially when you take into consideration the predicament we will be in next offseason at SS if we don't.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I feel obligated to post this yet again.

 

Jones >> Lugo >>>> Izturis

 

Lugo OPS+

 

06:94 (122 in TB)

05:105

04:94

 

Jones OPS+

 

06:107

05:99

04:90

 

Jone's 3 year OPS+ (straight) average is 1 point higher than Lugo's and Lugo's is 27 points higher than Izturis'. To be fair, you'd have to add 50 more > to the Lugo/Izturis comparison. Of course, Lugo will cost nearly as much as both Jones and Izturis combined, so that needs to be considered.

 

After looking into the #s I don't really think that if we can get something decent for Jones, it would be so horrible to replace his production with Lugo, especially when you take into consideration the predicament we will be in next offseason at SS if we don't.

 

Your fancy stats just reinforced my point. Jones is a much better option for CF than Lugo, who is an extremely better option at SS than Izturis. Lugo will not bring enough production to warrant the 3-5M that he'll cost more than Jones.

[nilodnayr]

I feel obligated to post this yet again.

 

Jones >> Lugo >>>> Izturis

 

Lugo OPS+

 

06:94 (122 in TB)

05:105

04:94

 

Jones OPS+

 

06:107

05:99

04:90

 

Jone's 3 year OPS+ (straight) average is 1 point higher than Lugo's and Lugo's is 27 points higher than Izturis'. To be fair, you'd have to add 50 more > to the Lugo/Izturis comparison. Of course, Lugo will cost nearly as much as both Jones and Izturis combined, so that needs to be considered.

 

After looking into the #s I don't really think that if we can get something decent for Jones, it would be so horrible to replace his production with Lugo, especially when you take into consideration the predicament we will be in next offseason at SS if we don't.

 

Your fancy stats just reinforced my point. Jones is a much better option for CF than Lugo, who is an extremely better option at SS than Izturis. Lugo will not bring enough production to warrant the 3-5M that he'll cost more than Jones.

 

But he will surely be worth the 3M that he'll cost more than Izturis in 08. You also have to factor in who we could get for Jones and that we will have to pick up Izturis' option in 08. On a straight production basis, Lugo and Jones are about equal.

[killthegoat06]

I feel obligated to post this yet again.

 

Jones >> Lugo >>>> Izturis

 

Lugo OPS+

 

06:94 (122 in TB)

05:105

04:94

 

Jones OPS+

 

06:107

05:99

04:90

 

Jone's 3 year OPS+ (straight) average is 1 point higher than Lugo's and Lugo's is 27 points higher than Izturis'. To be fair, you'd have to add 50 more > to the Lugo/Izturis comparison. Of course, Lugo will cost nearly as much as both Jones and Izturis combined, so that needs to be considered.

 

After looking into the #s I don't really think that if we can get something decent for Jones, it would be so horrible to replace his production with Lugo, especially when you take into consideration the predicament we will be in next offseason at SS if we don't.

 

Your fancy stats just reinforced my point. Jones is a much better option for CF than Lugo, who is an extremely better option at SS than Izturis. Lugo will not bring enough production to warrant the 3-5M that he'll cost more than Jones.

 

But he will surely be worth the 3M that he'll cost more than Izturis in 08. You also have to factor in who we could get for Jones and that we will have to pick up Izturis' option in 08. On a straight production basis, Lugo and Jones are about equal.

 

Barrett is not a #5 hitter on a world series contender.

[nilodnayr]

I feel obligated to post this yet again.

 

Jones >> Lugo >>>> Izturis

 

Lugo OPS+

 

06:94 (122 in TB)

05:105

04:94

 

Jones OPS+

 

06:107

05:99

04:90

 

Jone's 3 year OPS+ (straight) average is 1 point higher than Lugo's and Lugo's is 27 points higher than Izturis'. To be fair, you'd have to add 50 more > to the Lugo/Izturis comparison. Of course, Lugo will cost nearly as much as both Jones and Izturis combined, so that needs to be considered.

 

After looking into the #s I don't really think that if we can get something decent for Jones, it would be so horrible to replace his production with Lugo, especially when you take into consideration the predicament we will be in next offseason at SS if we don't.

 

Your fancy stats just reinforced my point. Jones is a much better option for CF than Lugo, who is an extremely better option at SS than Izturis. Lugo will not bring enough production to warrant the 3-5M that he'll cost more than Jones.

 

But he will surely be worth the 3M that he'll cost more than Izturis in 08. You also have to factor in who we could get for Jones and that we will have to pick up Izturis' option in 08. On a straight production basis, Lugo and Jones are about equal.

 

Barrett is not a #5 hitter on a world series contender.

 

Is your argument that Barrett isn't and Jones is?

 

Barrett's last 3 year OPS+

 

06:121

05:113

04:105

 

He outpaced Jones by an average of 15 points a year.