Cubs Pursuing Lilly

[Mizzou]

 

i can still make a choherent agrgument.

 

Padiliia is a power pitcher, with less of an injruy history,. Lilly has been on and off the DL durnig his career.

 

i'd erather thrown money at padilla than lillly.

 

if coruse, if prior is acvtually alive, he's better tnan all of them.

 

hahahahaha

 

Drunken posting is the best.

[CubsWin]

Lilly was my first choice after Zito and Schmidt and I'm not so sure about Schmidt either due to his age concerns. I know 9 mil sounds a lot for Lilly but we need pitching and it won't come cheap if we need to make a run for the WS. Sign Lilly and trade for Westbrook please.

 

If I had a choice between two middle of the pack starters, I'd take Padilla over Lilly.

 

Padilla and Westbrook would like create one of the better rotations in the NL. If Hill shows the same glimpses as last year as well as Prior showing somewhat of his '03 form, it could be the best.

 

I'm with you. Padilla is the one starter of the FA's left that I have the most interest in.

 

Me too.

Me three.

 

Padilla is my first choice after Zito and Schmidt for all the reasons our inebriated friend has already misspelled. :wink:

 

USS's fingers might not be able to walk a straight line right now, but his judgement is still razor sharp.

[CubsWin]

In the ESPN.com piece, the following quote lead me to believe that the Cubs offer was lower than the 37 million over 4 years that Washburn got and that Lilly's agent O'Brien is pursuing...

 

Lilly has a career record of 59-58 with a 4.60 ERA, but O'Brian thinks that in today's market, Washburn-type money is very possible. "I've always pointed to that contract as something that I thought would be something that we should be able to achieve," O'Brien told MLB.com. "With what Chicago has offered us, and some other conversations that we're having with a few other clubs, I think that number is definitely achievable. Who knows, it might get richer than that."

O'Brien stated in the Cubs.com article that he would present a counter-offer to the Cubs. When you combine that fact with the above quote, it seems clear that the Cubs came in under 4/37, but were probably in the ballpark.

 

Pun intended...

[jjgman21]

Lilly was my first choice after Zito and Schmidt and I'm not so sure about Schmidt either due to his age concerns. I know 9 mil sounds a lot for Lilly but we need pitching and it won't come cheap if we need to make a run for the WS. Sign Lilly and trade for Westbrook please.

 

If I had a choice between two middle of the pack starters, I'd take Padilla over Lilly.

 

Padilla and Westbrook would like create one of the better rotations in the NL. If Hill shows the same glimpses as last year as well as Prior showing somewhat of his '03 form, it could be the best.

 

I'm with you. Padilla is the one starter of the FA's left that I have the most interest in.

 

Me too.

Me three.

 

Padilla is my first choice after Zito and Schmidt for all the reasons our inebriated friend has already misspelled. :wink:

 

USS's fingers might not be able to walk a straight line right now, but his judgement is still razor sharp.

 

but I think he's advocating Padilla ahead of Zito and Schmidt. I admit before tonight I would have preferred Schmidt, but after further thought, I think Padilla is a better target based on performance and cost. their careers up until Padilla's age are very similar. there's a chance Padilla turns into the pitcher Schmidt was the past threw years, but if not, he's pretty much a lock to give you league average and 200 innings.

[nilodnayr]

In the ESPN.com piece, the following quote lead me to believe that the Cubs offer was lower than the 37 million over 4 years that Washburn got and that Lilly's agent O'Brien is pursuing...

 

Lilly has a career record of 59-58 with a 4.60 ERA, but O'Brian thinks that in today's market, Washburn-type money is very possible. "I've always pointed to that contract as something that I thought would be something that we should be able to achieve," O'Brien told MLB.com. "With what Chicago has offered us, and some other conversations that we're having with a few other clubs, I think that number is definitely achievable. Who knows, it might get richer than that."

O'Brien stated in the Cubs.com article that he would present a counter-offer to the Cubs. When you combine that fact with the above quote, it seems clear that the Cubs came in under 4/37, but were probably in the ballpark.

 

Pun intended...

 

Hopefully that ballpark includes 3/21.

[NorthsideAvenger]

In the ESPN.com piece, the following quote lead me to believe that the Cubs offer was lower than the 37 million over 4 years that Washburn got and that Lilly's agent O'Brien is pursuing...

 

Lilly has a career record of 59-58 with a 4.60 ERA, but O'Brian thinks that in today's market, Washburn-type money is very possible. "I've always pointed to that contract as something that I thought would be something that we should be able to achieve," O'Brien told MLB.com. "With what Chicago has offered us, and some other conversations that we're having with a few other clubs, I think that number is definitely achievable. Who knows, it might get richer than that."

O'Brien stated in the Cubs.com article that he would present a counter-offer to the Cubs. When you combine that fact with the above quote, it seems clear that the Cubs came in under 4/37, but were probably in the ballpark.

 

Pun intended...

 

I would go as high as 4 yr $40 mill for Lilly, but not much higher. I would offer said deal, and tell them in a polite but motivating tone of voice that this deal is only good for a few days, as there are others options on the table. Don't scare them away, but motivate them into not dragging this out too long.

[A New Era]

 

is humongous, and we won't contend with the latter without significantly improving our offense (no, not Lgo for CF... POWER BAT)

 

You're right.

 

Z

Lilly

Hill

Westbrook

Miller

 

won't contend in the NL central at all next year, with.

 

Soriano

Murton

Lee

Ramirez

Jones

Barret

Derosa

Izturis

 

:roll:

 

You can roll your eyes all you want. But that team is maybe a .500 team. If everything breaks right they could contend for the division. But with a top 5 payroll I expect more.

 

Where did you come up with this briliant conclusion? Can you see the future? If you can, might I give it a shot? Hill will rise up and become an ace. Miller will suprise everybody and become way above average. See it works both ways. I can make absurd assumptions as well. .

[CubsWin]

Lilly was my first choice after Zito and Schmidt and I'm not so sure about Schmidt either due to his age concerns. I know 9 mil sounds a lot for Lilly but we need pitching and it won't come cheap if we need to make a run for the WS. Sign Lilly and trade for Westbrook please.

 

If I had a choice between two middle of the pack starters, I'd take Padilla over Lilly.

 

Padilla and Westbrook would like create one of the better rotations in the NL. If Hill shows the same glimpses as last year as well as Prior showing somewhat of his '03 form, it could be the best.

 

I'm with you. Padilla is the one starter of the FA's left that I have the most interest in.

 

Me too.

Me three.

 

Padilla is my first choice after Zito and Schmidt for all the reasons our inebriated friend has already misspelled. :wink:

 

USS's fingers might not be able to walk a straight line right now, but his judgement is still razor sharp.

 

but I think he's advocating Padilla ahead of Zito and Schmidt. I admit before tonight I would have preferred Schmidt, but after further thought, I think Padilla is a better target based on performance and cost. their careers up until Padilla's age are very similar. there's a chance Padilla turns into the pitcher Schmidt was the past threw years, but if not, he's pretty much a lock to give you league average and 200 innings.

Based on cost, yeah, maybe. But its not my money, so if I can have Zito and/or Schmidt, I'll take it. But yeah, considering that there actually is a limit to the Cubs spending this off season...

[nilodnayr]

 

but I think he's advocating Padilla ahead of Zito and Schmidt. I admit before tonight I would have preferred Schmidt, but after further thought, I think Padilla is a better target based on performance and cost. their careers up until Padilla's age are very similar. there's a chance Padilla turns into the pitcher Schmidt was the past threw years, but if not, he's pretty much a lock to give you league average and 200 innings.

 

While I really like Padilla, I still have to take Schmidt over him. It all really depends on the $ and years, but I think theres a better chance Schmidt continues at this level or slightly regresses for the next few years compared to Padilla miraculously making the jump that Schmidt did. It'd be interesting to hear a scouting comparison of the two.

[CubsWin]

 

but I think he's advocating Padilla ahead of Zito and Schmidt. I admit before tonight I would have preferred Schmidt, but after further thought, I think Padilla is a better target based on performance and cost. their careers up until Padilla's age are very similar. there's a chance Padilla turns into the pitcher Schmidt was the past threw years, but if not, he's pretty much a lock to give you league average and 200 innings.

 

While I really like Padilla, I still have to take Schmidt over him. It all really depends on the $ and years, but I think theres a better chance Schmidt continues at this level or slightly regresses for the next few years compared to Padilla miraculously making the jump that Schmidt did. It'd be interesting to hear a scouting comparison of the two.

I agree, it would all come down to the dollars and years. The thing that keeps coming up for me is that Padilla will be 29 almost all season long next year while Schmidt will be 34 in January. That's five years difference. I'm not saying going with Padilla is the clear choice, its not. But 5 years does give one pause.

[E.J.]

Chicago Tribune[/url]"]

The Cubs have made free-agent left-hander Ted Lilly their priority at the upcoming winter meetings and already have an offer on the table.

 

Lilly, who is seeking at least a four-year deal for around $40 million, is being pursued by Toronto, the New York Yankees, San Francisco and, perhaps, Baltimore.

 

Cubs general manager Jim Hendry declined comment but sources confirmed he has made a four-year offer.

 

"We've had an offer [from Chicago], and we're considering coming back with another counter offer," Lilly's agent, Larry O'Brien, told MLB.com on Friday. "I'm planning on meeting with Jim Hendry down at the winter meetings in Orlando next week, but we're also going to be meeting with [Toronto GM] J.P. Ricciardi."

 

Lilly, 29, is considered to be at the top of the second tier of free-agent pitchers, behind starters Barry Zito and Jason Schmidt. He would fit into the No. 2 slot in the Cubs' rotation behind Carlos Zambrano and would give them two lefties, along with Rich Hill.

[RynoRules]

Chicago Tribune[/url]"]

The Cubs have made free-agent left-hander Ted Lilly their priority at the upcoming winter meetings and already have an offer on the table.

 

Lilly, who is seeking at least a four-year deal for around $40 million, is being pursued by Toronto, the New York Yankees, San Francisco and, perhaps, Baltimore.

 

Cubs general manager Jim Hendry declined comment but sources confirmed he has made a four-year offer.

 

"We've had an offer [from Chicago], and we're considering coming back with another counter offer," Lilly's agent, Larry O'Brien, told MLB.com on Friday. "I'm planning on meeting with Jim Hendry down at the winter meetings in Orlando next week, but we're also going to be meeting with [Toronto GM] J.P. Ricciardi."

 

Lilly, 29, is considered to be at the top of the second tier of free-agent pitchers, behind starters Barry Zito and Jason Schmidt. He would fit into the No. 2 slot in the Cubs' rotation behind Carlos Zambrano and would give them two lefties, along with Rich Hill.

 

I'd rather have Schmidt, but I'd be fine with getting both. Obviously its mroe realistic that we will have Lilly and maybe one other guy.

 

Z

Hill

Lilly

Miller

Prior

etc.

 

Meh.

[chuckywang]

Great, we're now pursuing a pitcher whose claim to fame is fighting his manager.

[Soul]

Chicago Tribune[/url]"]

The Cubs have made free-agent left-hander Ted Lilly their priority at the upcoming winter meetings and already have an offer on the table.

 

Lilly, who is seeking at least a four-year deal for around $40 million, is being pursued by Toronto, the New York Yankees, San Francisco and, perhaps, Baltimore.

 

Cubs general manager Jim Hendry declined comment but sources confirmed he has made a four-year offer.

 

"We've had an offer [from Chicago], and we're considering coming back with another counter offer," Lilly's agent, Larry O'Brien, told MLB.com on Friday. "I'm planning on meeting with Jim Hendry down at the winter meetings in Orlando next week, but we're also going to be meeting with [Toronto GM] J.P. Ricciardi."

 

Lilly, 29, is considered to be at the top of the second tier of free-agent pitchers, behind starters Barry Zito and Jason Schmidt. He would fit into the No. 2 slot in the Cubs' rotation behind Carlos Zambrano and would give them two lefties, along with Rich Hill.

 

I'd rather have Schmidt, but I'd be fine with getting both. Obviously its mroe realistic that we will have Lilly and maybe one other guy.

 

Z

Hill

Lilly

Miller

Prior

etc.

 

Meh.

 

Yes, and I like your slotting him #3 instead of the Trib who says #2.

 

Mark me down as someone who believes Rich Hill has a shot at being a decent #2. Certainly much more potential than Lilly, who is a known quantity, a middle-of-the-rotation guy.

[XZero771679666304]

I may be being redundant here, but looking at Lilly's splits he's:

 

A fly ball pitcher who gives up a bunch of HR

 

Markedly worse during the day

 

Worse on grass

 

Worse in open stadiums

 

Looks like a recipe for disaster to me.

[Soul]

I may be being redundant here, but looking at Lilly's splits he's:

 

A fly ball pitcher who gives up a bunch of HR

 

Markedly worse during the day

 

Worse on grass

 

Worse in open stadiums

 

Looks like a recipe for disaster to me.

 

Yeah, I pointed out earlier that he seems to give up a ton of dingers (28 last year in 181 innings).

 

Can we do a wind-directional platoon at SP? :lol:

[chuckywang]

I may be being redundant here, but looking at Lilly's splits he's:

 

Markedly worse during the day

 

 

Doesn't Toronto play in a dome? Your other points are noted, however.

[USSoccer]

 

USS's fingers might not be able to walk a straight line right now, but his judgement is still razor sharp.

 

Thanks, I try to keep my mind in the game when my motor skills are on the bench. :D

[Tedward]

 

but I think he's advocating Padilla ahead of Zito and Schmidt. I admit before tonight I would have preferred Schmidt, but after further thought, I think Padilla is a better target based on performance and cost. their careers up until Padilla's age are very similar. there's a chance Padilla turns into the pitcher Schmidt was the past threw years, but if not, he's pretty much a lock to give you league average and 200 innings.

 

While I really like Padilla, I still have to take Schmidt over him. It all really depends on the $ and years, but I think theres a better chance Schmidt continues at this level or slightly regresses for the next few years compared to Padilla miraculously making the jump that Schmidt did. It'd be interesting to hear a scouting comparison of the two.

I agree, it would all come down to the dollars and years. The thing that keeps coming up for me is that Padilla will be 29 almost all season long next year while Schmidt will be 34 in January. That's five years difference. I'm not saying going with Padilla is the clear choice, its not. But 5 years does give one pause.

 

When you are looking at the 2nd tier guys behind Zito and Schmidt, they all have their own warts. Padilla put up some nice numbers in contract year last season and has a good arm, but he worries me.

 

Their were a lot of rumors flying around him the last couple of years here, in the Delaware Valley, and I still find it odd that Gillick (who isn't a bad GM) basically gave him away last offseason to TX. He had been an enigma in PHL, and their have been rumors that he has a problem with the "sauce". He's been known to be lazy and not workout and listen to coaches. I'm not saying I don't want him (he does have a good arm) but giving him a 4 year deal makes me a bit nervous.

[Ivy Walls]

Lilly highest is 197 (last year is 181), Cubs need to have the starting rotation eclipse 900 IP for them to truly compete.

 

Lilly appears to me to be a late-blooming LHP, he has focus problems that Rothschild has a history addressing, he has a mechanical flaw with a 'tell' with his change up where he was fanning his glove, but he is also moving from the offensively strong AL East to the NL Central.

 

He fills a spot there is another spot that I think will be Jennings from CO who wants to be FA next year and the Rockies need a SS and CF'er.

 

However no matter how I shake it, I still don't see a true #1 ACE unless Prior is healthy and back to his '03 form.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Typical dumb Cub luck. The one year there is a horrendous free agent class, the Trib Co. and Jim Hendry decide they are going to spend money like drunken sailors.

 

4 years for Ted Lilly? yikes. Too bad there aren't some really good free agents out there for Hendry to overspend on.

[Soul]

Typical dumb Cub luck. The one year there is a horrendous free agent class, the Trib Co. and Jim Hendry decide they are going to spend money like drunken sailors.

 

4 years for Ted Lilly? yikes. Too bad there aren't some really good free agents out there for Hendry to overspend on.

 

True, that said though, I'll take Ted Lilly for a #4, or maybe a #3 over the likes of Gooz, Marmol, or Mateo any day of the week. He might be overpaid, but he is still an improvement.

 

It's not our money, so if the Trib wants to spend it then let 'em. Lord knows we aren't going to improve from that steaming pile of crap known as the Cubs farm system.

[b_wiggy_66]

This Lilly deal is not looking good at all. I would rather see Miguel Batista than Lilly. As someone pointed out Lilly has terrible day splits while Batistas are very good. They have both had an ERA around 4.50 the past few years. Batista is more durable and has pitched over 200 innnings before. That being said if you could pay Batista say $12 mil. over two years why pay someone who has similar numbers $38 over 4 years.I have seen people today saying Lilly would be our number two guy, number two, Yikes he may be the worst # 2 in baseball. I hope this Lilly thing does fall through. Sign Schmidt and Batista isnstead Jim.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Lilly highest is 197 (last year is 181), Cubs need to have the starting rotation eclipse 900 IP for them to truly compete.

 

Lilly appears to me to be a late-blooming LHP, he has focus problems that Rothschild has a history addressing, he has a mechanical flaw with a 'tell' with his change up where he was fanning his glove, but he is also moving from the offensively strong AL East to the NL Central.

 

He fills a spot there is another spot that I think will be Jennings from CO who wants to be FA next year and the Rockies need a SS and CF'er.

 

However no matter how I shake it, I still don't see a true #1 ACE unless Prior is healthy and back to his '03 form.

 

Did Zambrano break his neck in a movie watching accident in this scenario?

[nilodnayr]

I may be being redundant here, but looking at Lilly's splits he's:

 

A fly ball pitcher who gives up a bunch of HR

 

Markedly worse during the day

 

Worse on grass

 

Worse in open stadiums

 

Looks like a recipe for disaster to me.

 

Yeah, I pointed out earlier that he seems to give up a ton of dingers (28 last year in 181 innings).

 

Can we do a wind-directional platoon at SP? :lol:

 

And that was actually an improvement in his HR rate from the year before

Edited December 2, 2006 by nilodnayr