Manny Ramirez?

[Rob]

 

I dont see how his defense wouldn't hurt the Cubs.

 

I don't sew why he would be any worse than Jones was in right. Jones may be able to get to the ball quicker, but he cant throw it into the infield to save his life. Manny may not get to the ball as fast but he has a cannon. So its a trade off, in my opinion.

 

Manny has a horrible throwing arm.

 

I disagree.

 

Everyone who plays LF in Boston looks like they have a strong arm. Ramirez is awful when he throws the ball. Not only does he have a poor throwing arm, but he is not even accurate with his throws.

 

His arm looked strong enough when he was playing RF in Cleveland.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Manny has the arm for RF. I reiteriate, he'd be no worse than Sosa was out there.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Someone without an accurate arm would have a difficult time racking up as many assists as Manny does.

 

From The Fielding Bible:

 

"His arm is quite good, generally accurate, and he reads the ball extremely well off the Green Monster. He led the American League in baserunner kills in 2005, with 13."

[baseball7897]

Someone without an accurate arm would have a difficult time racking up as many assists as Manny does.

 

From The Fielding Bible:

 

"His arm is quite good, generally accurate, and he reads the ball extremely well off the Green Monster. He led the American League in baserunner kills in 2005, with 13."

 

Because he is playing 10ft off the infield. If Pierre was playing LF in Boston he would have as many assists as Manny would have.

[questionmarkgrace]

Hey, Tiger what exactly does the fielding bible say about Jacque Jones' fielding and range. I found a little bit on one web site but not specifically what I want to know. Any insights would be great.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Someone without an accurate arm would have a difficult time racking up as many assists as Manny does.

 

From The Fielding Bible:

 

"His arm is quite good, generally accurate, and he reads the ball extremely well off the Green Monster. He led the American League in baserunner kills in 2005, with 13."

 

Because he is playing 10ft off the infield. If Pierre was playing LF in Boston he would have as many assists as Manny would have.

 

What evidence or expert opinion other than your own do you have that he has a poor arm?

 

I trust Dewan much more than I do your opinion.

[baseball7897]

Hey, Tiger what exactly does the fielding bible say about Jacque Jones' fielding and range. I found a little bit on one web site but not specifically what I want to know. Any insights would be great.

 

I know he had 9A in 123 games for Minnesota in 2005.

[questionmarkgrace]

Because he is playing 10ft off the infield. If Pierre was playing LF in Boston he would have as many assists as Manny would have.

 

he plays 80 games away from boston too. I wonder if there is a way to find out how many assists he had away from boston. But again I've seen him hose a guy first hand at the cell so I have no doubt about his arm .

[JWCUB]

IMO the Cubs should at least make an offer to Boston. If they land Manny, and he is more trouble than he is worth, then he could be traded at the deadline. Very risky I know, but why not try?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Someone without an accurate arm would have a difficult time racking up as many assists as Manny does.

 

From The Fielding Bible:

 

"His arm is quite good, generally accurate, and he reads the ball extremely well off the Green Monster. He led the American League in baserunner kills in 2005, with 13."

 

Because he is playing 10ft off the infield. If Pierre was playing LF in Boston he would have as many assists as Manny would have.

 

Ramirez also plays 81 games a year away from Boston.

 

Hey, Tiger what exactly does the fielding bible say about Jacque Jones' fielding and range. I found a little bit on one web site but not specifically what I want to know. Any insights would be great.

 

Jones rates as one of the worst RF's. In 2005 his +/- was -4, and his 3 year +/- was -16. Here's what Dewan says:

 

"Jones has good speed and athleticism, but he doesn't always get good jumps on balls and ranks 24th in enhanced plays made. Ironically, his throwing has ranked in the top ten the past two years even though he doesn't have a typical right field arm."

[questionmarkgrace]

Thanks, I'll re-post that in the Cubs shopping jones thread where a couple of people have been arguing that jones should and can play centerfield.

[Sammy Sofa]

Manny is, at worst, as bad a fielder as Jones, and our overall defense (weren't the Cubs like 7th or better in the league?) was just fine with his shenanigans out there, and his bat is almost infinitely better.

[Rob]

Manny is, at worst, as bad a fielder as Jones, and our overall defense (weren't the Cubs like 7th or better in the league?) was just fine with his shenanigans out there, and his bat is almost infinitely better.

 

Yeah, our defense was well above-average last season by most accounts.

 

Irregardless, defense isn't as important to this team as most of the teams in the league because of the way the club places such an extreme importance on strikeouts.

 

Our defense could be comfortably below-average and it wouldn't make too huge of a difference, considering the opportunities the defense gets.

[UK1679666180]

I prefer accuracy of a throw more than arm strength even with a RF'er. Manny probably does have below avg. arm strength for a RF'er, it can be restricted better in LF not having to throw to 3B on a line.

 

His lack of range and poor ability to get an early read on a fly ball in one of the most diff. areas to play OF in the majors (RF) is why it would be hard to swallow as far as him in RF.

 

Obviously, you find a way to trade for him (within reason) and stick him in the OF.

[Cubzfan64]

Having watched Manny play many games over the past few seasons after moving out here from Illinois, I can tell you that he simply isn't the terrible defensive outfielder that people are led to believe.

 

Statistics don't always tell the full story, and the media tends to really focus on outfielder "gaffs" and blunders which just about every outfielder makes at one time or another.

 

From a purely unbiased viewpoint, I would say Manny is average defensively - he has moments of looking great, and others of looking terrible. Personally I think his offensive output far outweighs anything his defense lacks.

 

I'll tell you what my view is on Manny personally - I honestly don't think he loves the game of baseball... I mean, I think he likes it and he's very obviously immensely talented at it, but I don't think he LOVES it in that he gives 100% every time he steps on the field.

 

Boston really got on him late this past season when he sat out alot at the end due to an unknown "hamstring injury" that suddenly plagued him just before the All-Star game allowing him to not go to that either (evew though it didn't affect him before or after it). I think when he saw that the team had really started it's slide into the basement, he just didn't care much anymore and didn't see the point of going out there.

 

Those are must my personal opinions, so they aren't worth diddly, but to get back on topic - I certainly wouldn't say "let's not trade for Manny because he can't play LF."

[JWCUB]

Now, according to BenMaller.com, the Sox could trade Manny for relievers and bench help. Jump on it Jim.

[Stu]

Fox is reporting the Giants might be targeting Manny.

[JWCUB]

Peter Gammons is saying a prime reliever and 2 stud prospects. I know, its Peter Gammons. But still.........

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Peter Gammons is saying a prime reliever and 2 stud prospects. I know, its Peter Gammons. But still.........

 

So the Cubs could get him for Bob Howry, Donnie Veal, and Eric Patterson.

[RynoRules]

Peter Gammons is saying a prime reliever and 2 stud prospects. I know, its Peter Gammons. But still.........

 

So the Cubs could get him for Bob Howry, Donnie Veal, and Eric Patterson.

 

Where do I sign?

[ChiCubsFan]

Peter Gammons is saying a prime reliever and 2 stud prospects. I know, its Peter Gammons. But still.........

 

So the Cubs could get him for Bob Howry, Donnie Veal, and Eric Patterson.

 

I'd hardly qualify Eric Patterson as a stud prospect. Veal isn't even an A prospect either, although he is close. If they want STUD prospects, I don't think we have much of a chance. I'd imagine, however, that it wouldnt take 2 STUD prospects. I think giving them salary relief and providing them with a prime reliever and someone like Izturis and/or prospects, would be enough to do it.

[erik316wttn]

Fox is reporting the Giants might be targeting Manny.

 

As is ESPNews.

[RynoRules]

Buster Olney on ESPN Radio: stating that Manny is on the mkt and there is a lot of "play" for him as the Drew signing is imminent. Red Sox are lowering their demands to the level that the Yanks received for Sheff. Could happen by Sat.

 

EDIT:

 

Involved teams:

 

Giants

Pads

Dodgers

 

Angels and Indians might have had interest at one time.

 

Note: he also says that McGwire will never get into the HOF.

[JWCUB]

Buster Olney on ESPN Radio: stating that Manny is on the mkt and there is a lot of "play" for him as the Drew signing is imminent. Red Sox are lowering their demands to the level that the Yanks received for Sheff. Could happen by Sat.

 

EDIT:

 

Involved teams:

 

Giants

Pads

Dodgers

 

Angels and Indians might have had interest at one time.

 

 

Jim needs to get involved NOW. Manny would put our offense over the top. What are you waiting for Hendry?

 

Note: he also says that McGwire will never get into the HOF.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Buster Olney on ESPN Radio: stating that Manny is on the mkt and there is a lot of "play" for him as the Drew signing is imminent. Red Sox are lowering their demands to the level that the Yanks received for Sheff. Could happen by Sat.

 

EDIT:

 

Involved teams:

 

Giants

Pads

Dodgers

 

Angels and Indians might have had interest at one time.

 

Note: he also says that McGwire will never get into the HOF.

 

I wish I were reading the Cubs on that list of involved team... :cry: