Maddux and $$$ to the Dodgers for Cesar Izturis

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Per Rotoworld...

 

The Padres are reportedly interested in acquiring Greg Maddux from the Cubs.

The Cubs won't trade Maddux unless he agrees to the deal, but he is from Las Vegas and wants to return to the West Coast. A move to San Diego might be the ideal location for the professor.

 

Anyone else smell another deal for a 27 year old A pitcher with a 6.48 career ERA?

 

"But he was the 74th best Padres prospect in 2000"

[RynoRules]

Per Rotoworld...

 

The Padres are reportedly interested in acquiring Greg Maddux from the Cubs.

The Cubs won't trade Maddux unless he agrees to the deal, but he is from Las Vegas and wants to return to the West Coast. A move to San Diego might be the ideal location for the professor.

 

Anyone else smell another deal for a 27 year old A pitcher with a 6.48 career ERA?

 

"But he was the 74th best Padres prospect in 2000"

 

He's worth more than Williamson. That said, I like L.A.'s prospects better.

[dvdd127]

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

Probably.. but the reason I dont care right now is because a trade has not been made yet.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

Probably.. but the reason I dont care right now is because a trade has not been made yet.

 

That doesn't make any sense.

[mg420]

I would really prefer giving up Demp in that scenario. I think Wuertz could handle closing until the job is handed over to Broxton at some point.

 

Howry and Eyre have done their jobs very well for the most part, and it would be nice to not have to worry about the pen this offseason.

 

Maddux + Dempster for Ethier + Broxton seems feasible.

 

We could, of course, package Ethier + Pie + Broxton for Miggy Cabrera..... :-)

 

And follow with Murton + Cedeno + Hill for Miggy Tejada.

 

Now we have fewer unproven players for Dusty to ruin, no pitching whatsoever, and a higher payroll....but we won't be shutout very often :-)

if you could do this without getting rid of Dempster I would rather do it then.

 

In order to get value a team has to be willing to part with value. The purpose of the trade would be to fulfill the Dodgers needs as well as the Cubs own needs.

 

In this situation, the Dodgers need pitching and either Dempster or Howry could be used since they hold the most value in the pen. I'm not excluding Eyre, but he has an NTC.

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

 

i have heard steve stone on numerous occasions disagree with your assesment of a closer's importance.

[dvdd127]

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

Probably.. but the reason I dont care right now is because a trade has not been made yet.

 

That doesn't make any sense.

yes it does... what i am saying is. If this trade were to take place and go through I would look up Broxton's stats... and then decide if I like it or not. Its not like my opinion really matters to the Hendry. What I do know is right now I would rather have Dempster than some unproven rookie. who has never had the chance to save a game.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I would really prefer giving up Demp in that scenario. I think Wuertz could handle closing until the job is handed over to Broxton at some point.

 

Howry and Eyre have done their jobs very well for the most part, and it would be nice to not have to worry about the pen this offseason.

 

Maddux + Dempster for Ethier + Broxton seems feasible.

 

We could, of course, package Ethier + Pie + Broxton for Miggy Cabrera..... :-)

 

And follow with Murton + Cedeno + Hill for Miggy Tejada.

 

Now we have fewer unproven players for Dusty to ruin, no pitching whatsoever, and a higher payroll....but we won't be shutout very often :-)

if you could do this without getting rid of Dempster I would rather do it then.

 

In order to get value a team has to be willing to part with value. The purpose of the trade would be to fulfill the Dodgers needs as well as the Cubs own needs.

 

In this situation, the Dodgers need pitching and either Dempster or Howry could be used since they hold the most value in the pen. I'm not excluding Eyre, but he has an NTC.

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

 

i have heard steve stone on numerous occasions disagree with your assesment of a closer's importance.

 

Am I the first who has ever disagreed with Steve Stone? He also advocates the Cubs trading Aramis for Izturis.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

Probably.. but the reason I dont care right now is because a trade has not been made yet.

 

That doesn't make any sense.

yes it does... what i am saying is. If this trade were to take place and go through I would look up Broxton's stats... and then decide if I like it or not. Its not like my opinion really matters to the Hendry. What I do know is right now I would rather have Dempster than some unproven rookie. who has never had the chance to save a game.

 

If you know nothing about him, why offer an opinion? Would you rather have Neifi over BJ Upton, or have you looked up his numbers?

[Careless]

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

Probably.. but the reason I dont care right now is because a trade has not been made yet.

 

That doesn't make any sense.

yes it does... what i am saying is. If this trade were to take place and go through I would look up Broxton's stats... and then decide if I like it or not. Its not like my opinion really matters to the Hendry. What I do know is right now I would rather have Dempster than some unproven rookie. who has never had the chance to save a game.

Willful ignorance and a pressing desire to offer opinions is a bad combination

[minnesotacubsfan]

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

Probably.. but the reason I dont care right now is because a trade has not been made yet.

 

That doesn't make any sense.

yes it does... what i am saying is. If this trade were to take place and go through I would look up Broxton's stats... and then decide if I like it or not. Its not like my opinion really matters to the Hendry. What I do know is right now I would rather have Dempster than some unproven rookie. who has never had the chance to save a game.

Willful ignorance and a pressing desire to offer opinions is a bad combination

 

Is Broxton even a pitcher??

 

edit: nvm, got him confused with LaRoche

[mg420]

I would really prefer giving up Demp in that scenario. I think Wuertz could handle closing until the job is handed over to Broxton at some point.

 

Howry and Eyre have done their jobs very well for the most part, and it would be nice to not have to worry about the pen this offseason.

 

Maddux + Dempster for Ethier + Broxton seems feasible.

 

We could, of course, package Ethier + Pie + Broxton for Miggy Cabrera..... :-)

 

And follow with Murton + Cedeno + Hill for Miggy Tejada.

 

Now we have fewer unproven players for Dusty to ruin, no pitching whatsoever, and a higher payroll....but we won't be shutout very often :-)

if you could do this without getting rid of Dempster I would rather do it then.

 

In order to get value a team has to be willing to part with value. The purpose of the trade would be to fulfill the Dodgers needs as well as the Cubs own needs.

 

In this situation, the Dodgers need pitching and either Dempster or Howry could be used since they hold the most value in the pen. I'm not excluding Eyre, but he has an NTC.

Ok. I realize that. But I dont know much about Broxton thats why I say if we could do it without getting rid of Dempster I would like it more

 

Then shouldn't you take it upon yourself to learn more about the player instead of just deciding you would rather have Dempster? Closer is the most overrated "position" in baseball.

 

i have heard steve stone on numerous occasions disagree with your assesment of a closer's importance.

 

Am I the first who has ever disagreed with Steve Stone? He also advocates the Cubs trading Aramis for Izturis.

 

thats true but his suggestion was izturis & prospects (aybar, kemp, either, braxton, guzman). i believe you will find looking at how highly sought & paid closer's are in the majors that most if not all gm's agree with stone as far as the value of a closer.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

thats true but his suggestion was izturis & prospects (aybar, kemp, either, braxton, guzman). i believe you will find looking at how highly sought & paid closer's are in the majors that most if not all gm's agree with stone as far as the value of a closer.

 

Most GM's also still think they need to stick their fastest guy in the #1 spot. It doesn't make them right.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm all for trading Maddux for Kottaras, but I think I've expressed that already ad nauseum.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Per Rotoworld...

 

The Padres are reportedly interested in acquiring Greg Maddux from the Cubs.

The Cubs won't trade Maddux unless he agrees to the deal, but he is from Las Vegas and wants to return to the West Coast. A move to San Diego might be the ideal location for the professor.

 

Anyone else smell another deal for a 27 year old A pitcher with a 6.48 career ERA?

 

"But he was the 74th best Padres prospect in 2000"

 

He's worth more than Williamson. That said, I like L.A.'s prospects better.

 

The problem is, the Dodgers like their prospects more than Maddux too...

[RynoRules]

BUMP:

 

From Jayson Stark at ESPN.com:

 

The Cubs have spelled out to interested clubs -- specifically, the Dodgers, Padres and Brewers -- exactly what they're looking for if they do move Maddux to a team of his choosing. "You're not going to get Greg Maddux for some guy in A-ball," says an official of one team with interest. "It's got to be a major league player. Or if it's not, it has to be somebody who's real close -- somebody in Triple-A they can call up in September. If not, he won't go anywhere. He's Greg Maddux. He's won 325 games. He's not somebody you just give away for a prospect." The Dodgers remain the team that looks like the best fit. But the buzz of late is that the Dodger the Cubs have targeted is good-looking outfielder Andre Ethier. Ethier is among the Dodgers' leaders in on-base percentage and slugging. So unless they can find some alternative, Maddux might not wind up in Chavez Ravine after all.

 

If true, a step in the right direction by JH. I'd send someone else along with Maddux to get Ethier.

[CoolHandLuke]

I am really surprised that the Cubs are interested in Ethier. He is the anti Hendry guy: not much in the way of tools, good on base skills, past statistical results, etc...

 

He is/was one of my favorite prospects and I would be ecstatic if the Cubs acquired him.

[Laura]

Wish he'd chill on those 2-HR games until the deal is done! :P

[RynoRules]

Ethier's stats (not including 06', which I have not tracked down yet):

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/E/Andre-Ethier.shtml

 

2006:

 

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=444843

 

:thumleft:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Don't give Jimmy too much credit. I have a feeling they're asking for Ethier because everyone knows who he is now, not because of what he's actually done.

[goonys evil twin]

Wish he'd chill on those 2-HR games until the deal is done! :P

 

This is the time you'd hope your manager would help the GM out. After 6 Maddux had given up 4 runs, and should have left with a comfortable lead. But Dusty tried to get 7 out of him, despite being lucky to have only given up 4 at the time. With a 7 man bullpen and these games being meaningless, Maddux should have been pulled, looking decent against a great lineup. There was no reason for him to hit in the 6th either, but Dusty can't think beyond right here and now, and it's questionable how he handles the here and now.

[CubColtPacer]

I am really surprised that the Cubs are interested in Ethier. He is the anti Hendry guy: not much in the way of tools, good on base skills, past statistical results, etc...

 

He is/was one of my favorite prospects and I would be ecstatic if the Cubs acquired him.

 

I think he looks very much like a Hendry guy, but his differences help. He gets most of his OBP from his average-he is not allergic to walks, but he doesn't appear to be a high walk guy either. He may not hit for a great amount of home runs, but he makes up for that with his doubles. I don't think he is exactly a Hendry type of guy, but I don't think he is really an anti-Hendry player either, at least with the statistics I'm looking at.

[abuck1220]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

[goonys evil twin]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

[Backtobanks]

Wish he'd chill on those 2-HR games until the deal is done! :P

 

This is the time you'd hope your manager would help the GM out. After 6 Maddux had given up 4 runs, and should have left with a comfortable lead. But Dusty tried to get 7 out of him, despite being lucky to have only given up 4 at the time. With a 7 man bullpen and these games being meaningless, Maddux should have been pulled, looking decent against a great lineup. There was no reason for him to hit in the 6th either, but Dusty can't think beyond right here and now, and it's questionable how he handles the here and now.

 

Exactly, if Maddux can get through the 5th with a lead, you keep him on a very short leash. First sign of trouble, yank him.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

I wish they would have tried that with Williamson. His value wasn't too terribly high, but I think we could have gotten more closer to the deadline.