Maddux and $$$ to the Dodgers for Cesar Izturis

[HoopsCubs]

he is assuming that if the cubs dont trade maddux they are at fault but if they dont, it just might be because maddux doesnt want to go.

 

I think Maddux has 2 goals left in his baseball life: quality of life (i.e. he's on record saying Chicago is his favorite city other than his home in Vegas) and he wants to see the Cubs win a World Series. Obvioulsy, the latter isn't happening in 2006, but with the Cubs financial reach, it could still happen in 2007. That's why I think he (with Boras) and Hendry will reach a 1 year deal.

[NewUserName]

Okay I was a little quick. Didnt realize he has a no trade. I am guessing he would wave if circumstances are right.

 

About trading a future HOFer, I would have no issues. Its not like he put up most of his HOF numbers with the Cubs. I agree the Cubs mishandled his situation in the early 90s, however its not like he showed us some sort of blind loyalty either. The Cubs owe Gregg Maddux nothing except his contract. If he sticks to he no trade than so be it. If we are not trading him because we want to keep him I still say that is a stupid move. We can probably get more in return than he will ever be worth to us in the future.

[dvdd127]

Okay I was a little quick. Didnt realize he has a no trade. I am guessing he would wave if circumstances are right.

 

About trading a future HOFer, I would have no issues. Its not like he put up most of his HOF numbers with the Cubs. I agree the Cubs mishandled his situation in the early 90s, however its not like he showed us some sort of blind loyalty either. The Cubs owe Gregg Maddux nothing except his contract. If he sticks to he no trade than so be it. If we are not trading him because we want to keep him I still say that is a stupid move. We can probably get more in return than he will ever be worth to us in the future.

If we are getting more in return than his future value... I would be fine with it.. but I because of his record we wont be able to get much......... thats why I dont want to trade him

[Monco]

If the Cubs dont trade Maddux they are the stupidest organization in all of sports. He is not good. He has value. He shouldnt be brought back next year under any circumstance. He didnt seem to have any issues leaving the Cubs before. If the Cubs show him some sort of blind loyalty and not trade him for this reason it just would show how stupid of an outfit the Cubs are. Basically they wouldnt trade him because they are afraid of a little bad PR. That is just stupid and plays right into what most people really think the Cubs are about

 

It would not suprise me one bit, if Hendry held on to Maddux and tried to sign him to a one year $8-10M deal at the end of the season.

 

I think it will be 1 year and $6M (which was his 2004 salary). I'll stick to what I said in the offseason - right or wrong, Maddux will be a Cub in 2007. I'm pretty sure Hendry will bring him back to be his #4.

 

thats alot of money for a number 4(getting closer to 5)

[davearm]

he is assuming that if the cubs dont trade maddux they are at fault but if they dont, it just might be because maddux doesnt want to go.

 

I think Maddux has 2 goals left in his baseball life: quality of life (i.e. he's on record saying Chicago is his favorite city other than his home in Vegas) and he wants to see the Cubs win a World Series. Obvioulsy, the latter isn't happening in 2006, but with the Cubs financial reach, it could still happen in 2007. That's why I think he (with Boras) and Hendry will reach a 1 year deal.

Hoops, if you're right, and those really are the foremost considerations in Maddux's mind, then doesn't it make sense to approve a trade that will boost the Cubs' outlook for 2007, play out the next two months in another city, then re-sign with the Cubs in November?

 

Like you said, the WS isn't happening in 2006, but it could in 2007. This would (presumably) bolster those chances. Win-win.

[larhur]

Boy, a lot of hate for Maddox. I don't think they should trade him, he is teaching our younger pitchers how to approach the game, you always see Marshall, Marmol or even Z discusing pitching with him, and he would have several more wins with several more runs. KEEP MADDOX

[E.J.]

Boy, a lot of hate for Maddox. I don't think they should trade him, he is teaching our younger pitchers how to approach the game, you always see Marshall, Marmol or even Z discusing pitching with him, and he would have several more wins with several more runs. KEEP MADDOX

 

This coming from the guy who can't even spell Maddux right. :wink:

[WrigleyField 22]

Boy, a lot of hate for Maddox. I don't think they should trade him, he is teaching our younger pitchers how to approach the game, you always see Marshall, Marmol or even Z discusing pitching with him, and he would have several more wins with several more runs. KEEP MADDOX

 

If hes that important make him an offer as pitching coach that he can't refuse. Hell he doesn't even have to be pitching coach. You could make a whole new position for him.

[NewUserName]

If we are justifying paying a underperforming pitcher 5 to 6 mill a yr becuase he is good with our young pitchers we really have a problem. Just another thing that is wrong with how the Cubs are run. By the way how has all that expertise he has worked with Wood and Prior.

 

I still say if any kind of prospect(s) can be had for him I would say move him. Its not that I hate Greg Maddux, I just think he symbolizes what has been wrong with the Cubs for years. Keep guys around who are popular that are not performing. Worse yet acquire a player who is well past prime and pay a high price to get him. His spot in the rotation would just be wasted while a player who may have a future with the Cubs when they are championship contenders is wasting away at AAA or in the bullpen.

[Careless]

Okay I was a little quick. Didnt realize he has a no trade. I am guessing he would wave if circumstances are right.

 

About trading a future HOFer, I would have no issues. Its not like he put up most of his HOF numbers with the Cubs. I agree the Cubs mishandled his situation in the early 90s, however its not like he showed us some sort of blind loyalty either. The Cubs owe Gregg Maddux nothing except his contract. If he sticks to he no trade than so be it. If we are not trading him because we want to keep him I still say that is a stupid move. We can probably get more in return than he will ever be worth to us in the future.

If we are getting more in return than his future value... I would be fine with it.. but I because of his record we wont be able to get much......... thats why I dont want to trade him

Since his future value is probably extremely low and his value to us this season is 0 or below, why wouldn't you want to trade him?

[dvdd127]

Since his future value is probably extremely low and his value to us this season is 0 or below, why wouldn't you want to trade him?

this is not true..he is helping guys like Marmol and Marshall. If he is traded he wont be able to help them learn.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Since his future value is probably extremely low and his value to us this season is 0 or below, why wouldn't you want to trade him?

this is not true..he is helping guys like Marmol and Marshall. If he is traded he wont be able to help them learn.

 

Is there any quanitative proof that he is helping them?

[abuck1220]

Since his future value is probably extremely low and his value to us this season is 0 or below, why wouldn't you want to trade him?

this is not true..he is helping guys like Marmol and Marshall. If he is traded he wont be able to help them learn.

 

Is there any quanitative proof that he is helping them?

 

of course not.

 

the best thing he could do for the cubs' young pitchers is to leave and let them have his spot in the rotation. hill's going to win 300 games in AAA before he ever gets another shot at this rate.

[dvdd127]

Since his future value is probably extremely low and his value to us this season is 0 or below, why wouldn't you want to trade him?

this is not true..he is helping guys like Marmol and Marshall. If he is traded he wont be able to help them learn.

 

Is there any quanitative proof that he is helping them?

 

of course not.

 

the best thing he could do for the cubs' young pitchers is to leave and let them have his spot in the rotation. hill's going to win 300 games in AAA before he ever gets another shot at this rate.

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Since his future value is probably extremely low and his value to us this season is 0 or below, why wouldn't you want to trade him?

this is not true..he is helping guys like Marmol and Marshall. If he is traded he wont be able to help them learn.

 

Is there any quanitative proof that he is helping them?

 

of course not.

 

the best thing he could do for the cubs' young pitchers is to leave and let them have his spot in the rotation. hill's going to win 300 games in AAA before he ever gets another shot at this rate.

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

[dvdd127]

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

shut up.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

shut up.

 

Don't count on it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Cubs dont trade Maddux they are the stupidest organization in all of sports. He is not good. He has value. He shouldnt be brought back next year under any circumstance. He didnt seem to have any issues leaving the Cubs before. If the Cubs show him some sort of blind loyalty and not trade him for this reason it just would show how stupid of an outfit the Cubs are. Basically they wouldnt trade him because they are afraid of a little bad PR. That is just stupid and plays right into what most people really think the Cubs are about

If that is how you feel about a future hall of famer.. you are the dumbest person I have ever seen.

 

Maddux's spot in the HOF has nothing to do with this. Even if he has an effect on the young pitchers, it's likely negligible. He's probably shared all the advice he has anyway.

 

When you have a team 22 games under .500 approaching the deadline, the smartest thing they can do is trade any and all players who are not part of the future. Any player not under contract is in that group. If you want to retain them, have the sign an extension. Without an extension, even if you want them next season, you're still bidding with all the other teams. Having kept them lends a little advantage, but not much.

 

Maddux is in this group. A team that is going to move forward has to put sentimentality aside and get what they can for every impending FA. This idea isn't the same for players under team control for 2007 and beyond, but Maddux, Walker, Pierre, Nevin, and Blanco should be moved if a trade is available. That is the prudent and intelligent thing to do.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

shut up.

 

Don't tell other posters to shut up.

[Sarcastic]

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

shut up.

 

Don't tell other posters to shut up.

The correct response is, "no, you shut up."

[dvdd127]

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

shut up.

 

Don't count on it.

ok. well... have you heard of slang??? cause thats what i was using.

[dvdd127]

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

shut up.

 

Don't tell other posters to shut up.

He was making fun of my slang typing... I couldnt help myself

[WrigleyField 22]

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

shut up.

 

Don't tell other posters to shut up.

He was making fun of my slang typing... I couldnt help myself

 

Tons of other posters can "help themselves".

 

The immediate reaction of frustration can't possible last the time it takes to hit the quote button, wait or the page to load, type the message, then hit respond.

[dvdd127]

He was making fun of my slang typing... I couldnt help myself

 

Tons of other posters can "help themselves".

 

The immediate reaction of frustration can't possible last the time it takes to hit the quote button, wait or the page to load, type the message, then hit respond.

your right. sorry.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

betchya nething if Maddux wasnt a Cub early in the year... Marshall wont not be 3-3 right now.. but rather he'd be down in AAA and we would have traded for another starter

 

I'll bet a grammar text book.

shut up.

 

Don't tell other posters to shut up.

He was making fun of my slang typing... I couldnt help myself

 

You're going to have to. Don't attack other posters. If you don't like their making fun of you, PM one of the mods and ask them to intervene.