Maddux and $$$ to the Dodgers for Cesar Izturis

[abuck1220]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

[goonys evil twin]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

 

If you hold out for something good, but then cave at the end because you want his roster spot, then your bargaining position is significantly reduced for later deals. Maddux's spot isn't worth that much. It's not like it would be impossible to find starts for Hill even with him around.

[RynoRules]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

 

Sort of contradictory: you don't trust Hendry to do the right thing in evaluating other teams' talent (a legit criticisim, IMO). But now Hendry is apparently willing to do the right thing and go after a good one, but you are killing him for shooting too high. Can't have it both ways, no?

 

If he holds out and trades Greg at the last second for a B-level guy or two, we will know that an A-level guy like Ethier wasn't made available, even though JH tried to get one (assuming the veracity of Stark's report). So why not hold out? And since you mentioned it, how about Murton and Maddux for Ethier and low level prospect?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

 

Sort of contradictory: you don't trust Hendry to do the right thing in evaluating other teams' talent (a legit criticisim, IMO). But now Hendry is apparently willing to do the right thing and go after a good one, but you are killing him for shooting too high. Can't have it both ways, no?

 

If he holds out and trades Greg at the last second for a B-level guy or two, we will know that an A-level guy like Ethier wasn't made available, even though JH tried to get one (assuming the veracity of Stark's report). So why not hold out? And since you mentioned it, how about Murton and Maddux for Ethier and low level prospect?

 

The Dodgers don't need outfielders so they probably wouldn't even want Murton. They have Joel Guzman, Delwyn Young and Matt Kemp st Las Vegas. And Jason Repko rehabbing there. Not to mention JD Drew, Kenny Lofton, and Jose Cruz Jr at the major league level. Granted Lofton and Cruz will be gone after this season.

 

But, pitching interests them and Maddux and Dempster could probably net the Cubs a nice deal Eithier or not.

[abuck1220]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

 

Sort of contradictory: you don't trust Hendry to do the right thing in evaluating other teams' talent (a legit criticisim, IMO). But now Hendry is apparently willing to do the right thing and go after a good one, but you are killing him for shooting too high. Can't have it both ways, no?

 

 

no, it's not contradictory. i don't think it's worth the risk of holding out for a top prospect because a) i doubt maddux will net a top prospect and b) i doubt i'll think much of hendry's idea of a top prospect anyway.

 

now, if he's really after ethier, then i'll give him some credit (as far as talent evaluation), though i'm not 100% convinced that's the case.

[RynoRules]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

 

Sort of contradictory: you don't trust Hendry to do the right thing in evaluating other teams' talent (a legit criticisim, IMO). But now Hendry is apparently willing to do the right thing and go after a good one, but you are killing him for shooting too high. Can't have it both ways, no?

 

 

no, it's not contradictory. i don't think it's worth the risk of holding out for a top prospect because a) i doubt maddux will net a top prospect and b) i doubt i'll think much of hendry's idea of a top prospect anyway.

 

now, if he's really after ethier, then i'll give him some credit (as far as talent evaluation), though i'm not 100% convinced that's the case.

 

OK, but if he is in fact after Ethier (as is being reported) and is holding out in an attempt to get him, wouldn't that be a good thing? How can you criticize him for that?

[Laura]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

 

It may also be that the Cubs are serious about not having any sense of urgency in terms of moving Maddux, regardless of the logic in doing so.

[abuck1220]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

 

Sort of contradictory: you don't trust Hendry to do the right thing in evaluating other teams' talent (a legit criticisim, IMO). But now Hendry is apparently willing to do the right thing and go after a good one, but you are killing him for shooting too high. Can't have it both ways, no?

 

 

no, it's not contradictory. i don't think it's worth the risk of holding out for a top prospect because a) i doubt maddux will net a top prospect and b) i doubt i'll think much of hendry's idea of a top prospect anyway.

 

now, if he's really after ethier, then i'll give him some credit (as far as talent evaluation), though i'm not 100% convinced that's the case.

 

OK, but if he is in fact after Ethier (as is being reported) and is holding out in an attempt to get him, wouldn't that be a good thing? How can you criticize him for that?

 

because he's not going to get him. on one hand, i'd be glad that hendry appreciates ethier's ability. but at the same time, there's no way he's going to get him, so he's wasting his time.

[mg420]

from the The Orange County Register :

"That untouchable group is probably limited to three players - catcher Russell Martin, right-hander Chad Billingsley and outfielder Matt Kemp, currently in Triple-A. All three have star potential.

 

A well-stocked second tier of prospects would include outfielder Andre Ethier, right-hander Jonathan Broxton, infielder Willy Aybar and a group at Triple-A (Joel Guzman, James Loney and Andy LaRoche) that Colletti might be more inclined to trade"

 

aram, amddux & dempster for ethier, broxton & aybar sounds good to me.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

hendry's dreaming if he thinks he can get ethier for what's left of maddux's old bones. and the cubs are foolish if they refuse to move maddux unless they get something great in return. opening up his spot in the rotation is return enough.

 

I actually like the idea of holding out for something significant, even though he's not really worth much. Teams get stupid when going after name pitchers. You never know.

 

well, yeah, hold out as long as you can. but if he's left to rot on the cubs' roster 8/1 because hendry couldn't get a top of the line prospect for him, i'm going to be kinda upset. if the cubs were in the dodgers position and they traded murton (who is half the prospect ethier is) for a guy like maddux, i'd be irate.

 

i can't get too excited for the cubs being in sell mode for the first time in a while anyway because of how hendry and co. judge prospects and draft picks. i'm not getting my hopes up.

 

Sort of contradictory: you don't trust Hendry to do the right thing in evaluating other teams' talent (a legit criticisim, IMO). But now Hendry is apparently willing to do the right thing and go after a good one, but you are killing him for shooting too high. Can't have it both ways, no?

 

 

no, it's not contradictory. i don't think it's worth the risk of holding out for a top prospect because a) i doubt maddux will net a top prospect and b) i doubt i'll think much of hendry's idea of a top prospect anyway.

 

now, if he's really after ethier, then i'll give him some credit (as far as talent evaluation), though i'm not 100% convinced that's the case.

 

OK, but if he is in fact after Ethier (as is being reported) and is holding out in an attempt to get him, wouldn't that be a good thing? How can you criticize him for that?

 

I think the fear is holding out for Babe Ruth when we could have gotten Andre Dawson and ending up with neither.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

[ChiCubsFan]

from the The Orange County Register :

"That untouchable group is probably limited to three players - catcher Russell Martin, right-hander Chad Billingsley and outfielder Matt Kemp, currently in Triple-A. All three have star potential.

 

A well-stocked second tier of prospects would include outfielder Andre Ethier, right-hander Jonathan Broxton, infielder Willy Aybar and a group at Triple-A (Joel Guzman, James Loney and Andy LaRoche) that Colletti might be more inclined to trade"

 

aram, amddux & dempster for ethier, broxton & aybar sounds good to me.

 

i'm not big on aybar. exchange aybar for laroche and then i'd probably be interested.

[mg420]

from the The Orange County Register :

"That untouchable group is probably limited to three players - catcher Russell Martin, right-hander Chad Billingsley and outfielder Matt Kemp, currently in Triple-A. All three have star potential.

 

A well-stocked second tier of prospects would include outfielder Andre Ethier, right-hander Jonathan Broxton, infielder Willy Aybar and a group at Triple-A (Joel Guzman, James Loney and Andy LaRoche) that Colletti might be more inclined to trade"

 

aram, amddux & dempster for ethier, broxton & aybar sounds good to me.

 

i'm not big on aybar. exchange aybar for laroche and then i'd probably be interested.

 

whats wrong with aybar? i dont know anything about him but he is a switch hitter and has put up some good #'s so far this year.

[RynoRules]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

 

Based on what Eithier has done thus far he will be costly at the moment. They are desperate for pitching......Maddux and Howry could possible get it done. The Dodgers might have to give a low minor league prospect also.

 

Note: FWIW,Eithier is projected to a an average major league player. I recently read this. I'll attempt to find where I read it.

 

Dodger outfielder Joel Guzman has more power and projects much higher than Eithier and reportedly the Dodger brass has soured on him a bit.

 

Personally I like Eithier, but Guzman might be attainable and a great move for the Cubs if possible.

[fromthestretch]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

 

Williamson....oh wait.

[davearm]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

Walker? They've got Ramon Martinez playing 2B with Kent on the DL.

 

Ohman? Beimel is the only lefty in their pen with Perez out the door.

 

Nevin? As insurance on Nomar and a RH power bat for the bench.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

Walker? They've got Ramon Martinez playing 2B with Kent on the DL.

 

Ohman? Beimel is the only lefty in their pen with Perez out the door.

 

Nevin? As insurance on Nomar and a RH power bat for the bench.

 

They also have been playing Aybar at 2b since Kent has been out.

 

You might be on to something with Ohman.

 

Nevin.... I'm not sure they would even consider it because of the reputation he has. They just got rid of their clubhouse cancer...Odalis Perez.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

 

Walker? They've got Ramon Martinez playing 2B with Kent on the DL.

 

Ohman? Beimel is the only lefty in their pen with Perez out the door.

 

Nevin? As insurance on Nomar and a RH power bat for the bench.

 

I'm going to pretend that I did not just look up to see how Ramon has been doing this year and see a 377 OBP.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

 

They shown interest in Dempster, Eyre and Howry.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

 

Walker? They've got Ramon Martinez playing 2B with Kent on the DL.

 

Ohman? Beimel is the only lefty in their pen with Perez out the door.

 

Nevin? As insurance on Nomar and a RH power bat for the bench.

 

I'm going to pretend that I did not just look up to see how Ramon has been doing this year and see a 377 OBP.

 

Dude sometimes hits cleanup. In games the Dodgers win by double digits.

[Burtonbell]

Maddux alone will not get Ethier.

 

Probably right. What else could we add? Think aloud, please.

 

Walker? They've got Ramon Martinez playing 2B with Kent on the DL.

 

Ohman? Beimel is the only lefty in their pen with Perez out the door.

 

Nevin? As insurance on Nomar and a RH power bat for the bench.

 

I'm going to pretend that I did not just look up to see how Ramon has been doing this year and see a 377 OBP.

 

 

 

Dude sometimes hits cleanup. In games the Dodgers win by double digits.

 

 

Dude didnt save us last year though! Its like bass fishing...

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Whatever happens, they might want to get serious about a package. The Dodgers have a lot of young talent that they're probably going to part with, and I'd hate to miss the boat on all of them.

[soccer10k]

Whatever happens, they might want to get serious about a package. The Dodgers have a lot of young talent that they're probably going to part with, and I'd hate to miss the boat on all of them.

 

Agreed. I will be disappointed if Maddux isn't traded. Not that I don't like the guy, because I do, but he isn't part of the plans for next year and we should get what we can for him.

[CubsWin]

Whatever happens, they might want to get serious about a package. The Dodgers have a lot of young talent that they're probably going to part with, and I'd hate to miss the boat on all of them.

 

Agreed. I will be disappointed if Maddux isn't traded. Not that I don't like the guy, because I do, but he isn't part of the plans for next year and we should get what we can for him.

I agree, the Cubs should get what they can for Maddux, but with Ned Colletti at the helm for the Dodgers, I doubt he will give them much. Colletti used to work for the Cubs and left the organization with a lot of bad blood. He hates the Cubs. Some have theorized thats why Furcal is in LA right now, just to spite the Tribune. He, among all other GMs, will not want to give a lot in a trade with the Cubs.