ARam Sounds Off

[BigbadB]

i, personally, amdshocked that we got rid of all of our "chemistry" problems yet more continue to pop up.

 

could winning and losing beget mood and not the other way around?

 

the answer is almost without any doubt: yes.

 

=D>

[Magnetic Curses]

i, personally, amdshocked that we got rid of all of our "chemistry" problems yet more continue to pop up.

 

could winning and losing beget mood and not the other way around?

 

the answer is almost without any doubt: yes.

 

=D>

 

thanks, i added some stuff.

[Jehrico]

Could Mashall have taken ARam's comments personally?

 

The offense sure wasn't what won this game for us...

[Sammy Sofa]

Could Mashall have taken ARam's comments personally?

 

The offense sure wasn't what won this game for us...

 

Maybe Aram had those horrible at-bats and strikeouts tonight trying to prove a point, and it backfired when Marshall pitched so well.

[soccer10k]

Is this the beginning of a "Clutch Pitching" stance by the organization?

 

Yeah, we are having trouble getting that last out. We just need to make some clutch pitches but haven't been able to get the job done.

 

It's just going to be a whole "Clutch" movement in general. If you don't come through in the clutch, whether hitting or pitching, you aren't going to win games.

 

Note: Cubs philosophy not mine.

[soccer10k]

i, personally, amdshocked that we got rid of all of our "chemistry" problems yet more continue to pop up.

 

could winning and losing beget mood and not the other way around?

 

the answer is almost without any doubt: yes.

 

=D>

 

Agreed. Excellent post.

[WrigleyField 22]

If he did it to push blame off himself and onto the pitchers it is certainly not okay. It is very possible he was led into that question or he meant it in a we all stink type of way.

 

He can say whatever he wants. If he wants to say that I don't want him on my team.

[Sosa21MVP]

Sure, let's run off ARAM for being frustrated. Makes perfect sense. :roll:

[USSoccer]

Sure, let's run off ARAM for being frustrated. Makes perfect sense. :roll:

 

When the mob needs a scapegoat...

[beowulf28]

This reminds me of when Alou complained a bit about how the pitchers were getting all the attention in ... '04, I guess it was?

 

It's a weak free agent class. I don't like Aramis acting like the primadonna, either, but until that ARod trade happens, I'm concerned about losing him for zero-to-diddly-squat.

 

ARod's got a great OBP. I don't think it can happen, but if it can, Hendry needs to do it! :lol:

 

But to be clear, I like Aramis, and would rather have him unless someone much better came along.

[mg420]

maybe aram should pay more attention to his own fundamentals before blasting the pitching staff. his bone headed attempt at a triple might have cost the cubs their best scoring chance of the night (not to mention his horrible throw yesterday that almost cost them the game).

[CubinNY]

maybe aram should pay more attention to his own fundamentals before blasting the pitching staff. his bone headed attempt at a triple might have cost the cubs their best scoring chance of the night (not to mention his horrible throw yesterday that almost cost them the game).

 

Aramis didn't blast anyone. Go back and read his qoutes.

 

This team only needs one scapegoat and his name is John B. "Dusty" Baker.

[mg420]

According to Baseball Tonite, after the game, ARam said (paraphrasing), "Everyone always talks about us not scoring runs. Well, we aren't shutting anyone down, either."

 

Finger pointing, "mischaracterized" radio interviews--the second half is going to suck...worse.

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sure sounds like he's blasting the pitching to me.

[Illini Iceman]

According to Baseball Tonite, after the game, ARam said (paraphrasing), "Everyone always talks about us not scoring runs. Well, we aren't shutting anyone down, either."

 

Finger pointing, "mischaracterized" radio interviews--the second half is going to suck...worse.

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sure sounds like he's blasting the pitching to me.

 

They need to fire Dusty and ARam needs to shut his trap. Plenty of people in the media have talked about the pitching being bad. Did he think that was some revelation that no one had thought about before? Yeah ARam, we all know already that your offense and pitching stink. Do you feel better now.

 

BTW, that pitching really let you down the last couple days. That 1 run of support over 2 games really should have been enough for 2 wins instead of just 1.

[CubinNY]

The Muskat version:

 

"It's not the hitting," Ramirez said. "Every time we lose the game, everybody points to us not driving in runs and that kind of stuff. It's everybody. We allow a lot of runs every day, too. We don't shut people down. We allow a lot of runs, too."

 

Isn't it a combination? Walking 10 batters doesn't help, but stranding 10 runners isn't going to win a game either.

 

"It is a combination," Ramirez said. "We're not pitching well, we're not hitting well. It's not just the hitting."

 

"That happens," Ramirez said. "They pitch me tough and I haven't been able to come through with the big hit last two games. What can I do? I have to go up there and play again.

 

"Like I said, I don't know why when we lose a game, everybody points at the hitters," he said. "It's not the hitters. If we look at the scoreboard, we allow a lot of runs, too. Today, yesterday, day before, every day. It's everything."

 

Told Ramirez's comments, Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee took a different approach.

 

"We're the ones with the bats," Lee said. "We've got to hit. Obviously, you're going to face good pitching. More times than not, we're not getting the job done. It comes down on us."

[WrigleyField 22]

The Muskat version:

 

"It's not the hitting," Ramirez said. "Every time we lose the game, everybody points to us not driving in runs and that kind of stuff. It's everybody. We allow a lot of runs every day, too. We don't shut people down. We allow a lot of runs, too."

 

Isn't it a combination? Walking 10 batters doesn't help, but stranding 10 runners isn't going to win a game either.

 

"It is a combination," Ramirez said. "We're not pitching well, we're not hitting well. It's not just the hitting."

 

"That happens," Ramirez said. "They pitch me tough and I haven't been able to come through with the big hit last two games. What can I do? I have to go up there and play again.

 

"Like I said, I don't know why when we lose a game, everybody points at the hitters," he said. "It's not the hitters. If we look at the scoreboard, we allow a lot of runs, too. Today, yesterday, day before, every day. It's everything."

 

Told Ramirez's comments, Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee took a different approach.

 

"We're the ones with the bats," Lee said. "We've got to hit. Obviously, you're going to face good pitching. More times than not, we're not getting the job done. It comes down on us."

 

Well with all that i certainly doesn't look quite so bad, but I would much rather have the Lee approach.

 

There are 3 people who, IMO, can place resonsibility on someone: The fans, the media, and the coaches.

The fans and media opinion mean little. The coach needs to let which players know who aren't doing their job and at the same time take some responsibility for it. Dusty doesn't do this, obviously.

[BigbadB]

maybe aram should pay more attention to his own fundamentals before blasting the pitching staff. his bone headed attempt at a triple might have cost the cubs their best scoring chance of the night (not to mention his horrible throw yesterday that almost cost them the game).

 

How can you knock a guys throwing error when he's committed a total of 4 errors all year?

 

The argument about attempting to go to 3rd is reasonable, but it should also quiet the argument that he's lazy.

[Andy]

As I expected, DLee says it in a much more coherent and diplomatic way than Aramis.

 

Lee for captain.

[CubbieRich]

maybe aram should pay more attention to his own fundamentals before blasting the pitching staff. his bone headed attempt at a triple might have cost the cubs their best scoring chance of the night (not to mention his horrible throw yesterday that almost cost them the game).

 

How can you knock a guys throwing error when he's committed a total of 4 errors all year?

 

The argument about attempting to go to 3rd is reasonable, but it should also quiet the argument that he's lazy.

 

He's Lazy!!! He's lazy at the plate. He's lazy running. He's lazy in the field. Plus, he just doesn't get it. He has very little baseball sense. No wonder when he lost that pop fly in the sun that was to his side and it hit him in the head-he didn't rub it. There was nothing there that could be hurt. His stupid baserunning last night was typical on not knowing what to do.

 

I'm sure those that wallow in their 'stats du jour' will look at his fielding numbers or other such meaningless huey and try to tell us different. But those who have actually watched him play, know he is average-on his best days. And this guy is being paid $11 million? No thank you.

 

Trade him to the Dodgers-get some prospects. Then acquire Josh Fields from the White Sox who already has better numbers and isn't LAZY!!

[UBlink]

There are 3 people who, IMO, can place resonsibility on someone: The fans, the media, and the coaches.

The fans and media opinion mean little. The coach needs to let which players know who aren't doing their job and at the same time take some responsibility for it. Dusty doesn't do this, obviously.

 

You left out the fourth, and most important group, and that's the team. They have to accept responsibility for their own performance and demand effort from their teammates. This isn't meant to defend Dusty, but a new manager won't have success if the team doesn't change.

[goonys evil twin]

There are 3 people who, IMO, can place resonsibility on someone: The fans, the media, and the coaches.

The fans and media opinion mean little. The coach needs to let which players know who aren't doing their job and at the same time take some responsibility for it. Dusty doesn't do this, obviously.

 

You left out the fourth, and most important group, and that's the team. They have to accept responsibility for their own performance and demand effort from their teammates. This isn't meant to defend Dusty, but a new manager won't have success if the team doesn't change.

 

And Dusty doesn't stand a chance at changing the team.

[CuseCubFan69]

There are 3 people who, IMO, can place resonsibility on someone: The fans, the media, and the coaches.

The fans and media opinion mean little. The coach needs to let which players know who aren't doing their job and at the same time take some responsibility for it. Dusty doesn't do this, obviously.

 

You left out the fourth, and most important group, and that's the team. They have to accept responsibility for their own performance and demand effort from their teammates. This isn't meant to defend Dusty, but a new manager won't have success if the team doesn't change.

 

And Dusty doesn't stand a chance at changing the team.

 

Actually I think if anything it'll get worse if Baker stays around. I think you'll see more and more of this type of play with this team as the season goes on. This country club atmosphere has got to change. You don't have to be a scream in their face guy but let them know who's in charge and hold them accountable for their mistakes.

[frostwyrm]

I think Aram is lazy because I don't believe he worked very hard to upgrade his fitness in the offseason.

[WrigleyField 22]

There are 3 people who, IMO, can place resonsibility on someone: The fans, the media, and the coaches.

The fans and media opinion mean little. The coach needs to let which players know who aren't doing their job and at the same time take some responsibility for it. Dusty doesn't do this, obviously.

 

You left out the fourth, and most important group, and that's the team. They have to accept responsibility for their own performance and demand effort from their teammates. This isn't meant to defend Dusty, but a new manager won't have success if the team doesn't change.

 

I personally think every individual teammate needs to take responsibility for their own actions. Once players point fingers it all goes to hell. Now the occassional figurative smack in the face(or sometimes literal) to get the message across is okay from a teammate whos an established leader. But theres a way to go about it and blaming one whole group of players and just saying they suck isn't it. I can't exactly how to explain how thats done but there should be some more motivation and support there. Players play, coaches get on players cases.

[USSoccer]

maybe aram should pay more attention to his own fundamentals before blasting the pitching staff. his bone headed attempt at a triple might have cost the cubs their best scoring chance of the night (not to mention his horrible throw yesterday that almost cost them the game).

 

How can you knock a guys throwing error when he's committed a total of 4 errors all year?

 

The argument about attempting to go to 3rd is reasonable, but it should also quiet the argument that he's lazy.

 

He's Lazy!!! He's lazy at the plate. He's lazy running. He's lazy in the field. Plus, he just doesn't get it. He has very little baseball sense. No wonder when he lost that pop fly in the sun that was to his side and it hit him in the head-he didn't rub it. There was nothing there that could be hurt. His stupid baserunning last night was typical on not knowing what to do.

 

I'm sure those that wallow in their 'stats du jour' will look at his fielding numbers or other such meaningless huey and try to tell us different. But those who have actually watched him play, know he is average-on his best days. And this guy is being paid $11 million? No thank you.

 

Trade him to the Dodgers-get some prospects. Then acquire Josh Fields from the White Sox who already has better numbers and isn't LAZY!!

 

Would you care to cite a tangible reason why Aramis is "Average on his best day"? Because, despite his struggles this season, every available number says otherwise.

 

Would you also care to prove how he "Just doesn't get it", and has "very little baseball sense"? You cite the lost pop up, but I very much doubt he's the only ML who's ever lost a popup.

 

It's funny how there always has to be a scapegoat who "doesn't play the game right", or is "lazy", or "gutless", or some other such nonesense. Everything is magnified when a team is this bad, and there are about 22 guys on this roster who are more of a problem than Ramirez.