Ozzie fires back on Rich Hill

[jaydee]

What an intelligent response by Ozzie Guillen. If he was not able to play baseball professionally, I'm sure he would of been a very successful man in his life.

[CubfaninCA]

hill's usage of "gutless" & "pathetic" set himself up to look like an idiot. i'm sure the writers had a good chuckle when ozzie mocked him.

 

if hill shuts them down, then fire away, but he got lit. his outing was pathetic...

[1908]

Poll question: Who is/was worse? Rich Hill the MLB pitcher, or Ozzie Guillen the MLB hitter?

Good stuff.

[soccer10k]

I'm going to have to agree with Guillen on this one because he hit it right on the head. Until Rich Hill does ANYTHING in the majors, he's not the right person to talk. Obviously Guillen didn't say it in the nicest of ways, but that isn't the point. Rich Hill is still a rookie. If he was a veteran, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the guy hasn't even won a game at the major league level yet. I like the enthusiasm out of Hill and I hope he does well in the majors - hopefully for the Cubs - but that doesn't change the fact that he should have kept his mouth shut.

 

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from?

 

Just curious, how do you know what question he was asked? I'm not debating you, but if there is information you know that I don't, I would sure like to read it before arguing with you. I based by argument on what was posted at the beginning of the thread.

 

We don't know the question he was asked. The point is, he was obviously asked about the incident, and claiming that he shouldn't comment on it just because he got hit hard is ridiculous.

 

I didn't say he shouldn't comment because he got hit hard today. I meant that he shouldn't comment because he's been hit hard his whole, albeit short career. Hill was basically talking trash to Pierzynski which I don't think is right considering he's basically a rookie. He's the last person who should be talking trash. The fact that he was 10-20 feet from the play doesn't matter at all because Hill didn't offer any extra insight into the situation. To sum up Hill's quote: Pierzynski is bush league. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have said anything, but there is no reason to talk trash to the opposing team who, by the way, has just handily defeated your team two days in a row.

 

You seriously think that's trash talking?

 

Hill called Pierzynski "gutless", called the play "pathetic", and said Pierzynski wasn't playing the game the right way. The only thing Hill forgot to do was insult Pierzynski's manhood.

[Chris]

The only thing Hill forgot to do was insult Pierzynski's manhood.

 

Barrett took care of that.

[SouthSideRyan]

I assume Ozzie will be along any moment now to tell Brian Anderson that once he starts hitting over 200 he can start swining wildly like a douchebag, but until then keep your fists to yourself.

 

Any moment now...

 

Yep...

 

Ozzie's a tool. And so are his kids.

[sherwood921]

Fred's stats, as usual, back it up. Like I have said in other threads..I like the kid a lot and hope he succeeds. However, he only has one real good pitch and his ceiling will be a middle of the rotation guy. It is pretty pathetic how this guy was an "untouchable." Most of us last year realized that all he could be was a 3rd starter at best. We just love to overvalue our guys.

 

the problem is once he's demoted, he'll tear it up in AAA yet again and then when he comes back in September or whenever, he's going to get rocked. Problem is if he's traded, he's going to become one of the best pitchers in the game. That's how it always seems to go with us.

 

I hear and say that all the time, but I am starting to disagree. Of the many minor leaguers we've traded in recent years, Willis is the only one that really stands out. Koronka's having a good year thus far, but I wouldn't expect that to continue. All the other players we've gotten rid of generally haven't turned into superstars though.

[abuck1220]

wow, people are rough on hill today. you'd think he lost all 25 games this year.

 

I'd settle for seeing him win one.

 

here's a fun fact...how many runs have the cubs scored in hill's four losses?

 

1 (that's combined)

 

pretty sure it wouldn't matter much if hill had an era of 8 or 1...the offense is the problem, not rich hill.

 

Here's another fun fact..... if the CUBS had scored 5 runs in every game that Hill pitched........ his record would be...... let's see....... uh....... 0-4 !!

 

but...uh....they didn't.

 

i'd say the fact that a 90+ mil payroll team has the worst offense in the NL is a bigger concern than the struggles of the team's #7 starter.

[abuck1220]

hill's usage of "gutless" & "pathetic" set himself up to look like an idiot. i'm sure the writers had a good chuckle when ozzie mocked him.

 

if hill shuts them down, then fire away, but he got lit. his outing was pathetic...

 

i guess if i spent all off season hyping juan pierre, i'd do the best i could to make everyone forget it by making every one of my posts about rich hill too.

[NorthsideAvenger]

First: The play" was "pathetic, and AJ is "gutless." Rich Hill is correct in his comments.

 

Second: Is it me, or is Ozzie profanity just about the only words, that can made out when he talks? Listening to Ozzie speak is prolly the most challenging thing these reporters have to cover. I swear, after every few minutes, you have to ask Ozzie, "Dude, say what? "

[CubfaninCA]

hill's usage of "gutless" & "pathetic" set himself up to look like an idiot. i'm sure the writers had a good chuckle when ozzie mocked him.

 

if hill shuts them down, then fire away, but he got lit. his outing was pathetic...

 

i guess if i spent all off season hyping juan pierre, i'd do the best i could to make everyone forget it by making every one of my posts about rich hill too.

 

pierre sucks just like hill. i can admit being wrong. it's just baseball....

[soccer10k]

hill's usage of "gutless" & "pathetic" set himself up to look like an idiot. i'm sure the writers had a good chuckle when ozzie mocked him.

 

if hill shuts them down, then fire away, but he got lit. his outing was pathetic...

 

i guess if i spent all off season hyping juan pierre, i'd do the best i could to make everyone forget it by making every one of my posts about rich hill too.

 

pierre sucks just like hill. i can admit being wrong. it's just baseball....

 

Were you the one who admitted that in another thread earlier today? I remember somebody admitted building up Pierre in the offseason and I'm curious if it was you or not. I'm too lazy to look through a bunch of threads.

 

BTW, I had high hopes for Pierre and thought it was a great move by the Cubs to pick him up. I wasn't on this board at that time, so you'll just have to trust me on that one.

[CubfaninCA]

hill's usage of "gutless" & "pathetic" set himself up to look like an idiot. i'm sure the writers had a good chuckle when ozzie mocked him.

 

if hill shuts them down, then fire away, but he got lit. his outing was pathetic...

 

i guess if i spent all off season hyping juan pierre, i'd do the best i could to make everyone forget it by making every one of my posts about rich hill too.

 

pierre sucks just like hill. i can admit being wrong. it's just baseball....

 

Were you the one who admitted that in another thread earlier today? I remember somebody admitted building up Pierre in the offseason and I'm curious if it was you or not. I'm too lazy to look through a bunch of threads.

 

BTW, I had high hopes for Pierre and thought it was a great move by the Cubs to pick him up. I wasn't on this board at that time, so you'll just have to trust me on that one.

 

wasn't me. i wasn't online too much during the day.

 

i thought it was a good move, and said that speed helps other hitters. if pierre ever got on, guess we'd see. :(

 

no need to make up multiple excuses. when you're this wrong just take it like a man. :)

[Sosa21MVP]

I didn't see this posted here yet, from ChicagoSports.com...

 

While manager Dusty Baker and most Cubs players interviewed had no problem with A.J. Pierzynski's collision with Michael Barrett, rookie left-hander Rich Hill called it "gutless" and "pathetic."

 

"I think it was pretty gutless on their part—him hitting Michael when he didn't even have the ball," Hill said. "That's not how you play the game. If he had the ball and he hits him, that's fine, that's how you play it. But you don't go around just running over catchers. What if he injured him and he didn't have the ball? That's not the way you play the game. … It was pathetic."

 

Sox manager Ozzie Guillen was livid when he heard Hill's comment.

 

"Tell that Triple-A [bleep] to shut the [bleep] up," Guillen said. "Tell him to start throwing some strikes or he's going to get Dusty fired."

 

More power to Ozzie. He called it like it is.

[wolf stansson]

What?! Ozzie Guillen ran his mouth in the press?! What?! He loves attention?!

 

I'm so shocked. He is such a tool.

 

 

That being said, what he said about Dusty is pretty funny. Also the AAA player making comments is unneeded.

[srbin84]

Ozzie's a tool.

 

Hill's a bigger tool. When he was called up, the score interviewed him the same day. They asked him what pitcher is most similar to him and his stuff, and he said Sandy Koufax.

[Tracer Bullet]

wow, people are rough on hill today. you'd think he lost all 25 games this year.

 

I'd settle for seeing him win one.

 

here's a fun fact...how many runs have the cubs scored in hill's four losses?

 

1 (that's combined)

 

pretty sure it wouldn't matter much if hill had an era of 8 or 1...the offense is the problem, not rich hill.

 

It's really convenient to toss that out and then not mention how many runs he's given up in his games pitched this season. Hell, last season, too. Obviously, the offense is letting guys down, but Hill on the mound typically means you need 5-6 runs just to keep it close, almost every single time. He's a useless sack of meat.

 

Greg Maddux:

 

SEASON 	TEAM G 	 GS CG SHO  IP    H   R 	  ER  HR BB SO 	 W  L  ERA
1986 	  ChC  6 	 5  1 	0  31.0  44  20     19  3  11 20 	 2  4  5.52
1987 	  ChC  30    27 1 	0  156.2 181 111    97  17 74 101    6  14 5.61

 

He turned out ok.

 

Useless sack of meat!

[Balsa]

First: The play" was "pathetic, and AJ is "gutless." Rich Hill is correct in his comments.

 

Second: Is it me, or is Ozzie profanity just about the only words, that can made out when he talks? Listening to Ozzie speak is prolly the most challenging thing these reporters have to cover. I swear, after every few minutes, you have to ask Ozzie, "Dude, say what? "

 

Wow that's classy. Making fun of him because he can't speak english like a native english speaker. Good job.

 

As for Hill, Ozzie's right. The guy just can't throw strikes. Comparisons to Maddux are ridiculous. Were you even watching yesterday's game? He couldn't have found the strike zone with a seeing eye dog. The guy has two pitches, neither of which were very good, but since he fooled all the AAA guys who can't follow a curveball, everyone is drooling over him.

[RynoRules]

hill's usage of "gutless" & "pathetic" set himself up to look like an idiot. i'm sure the writers had a good chuckle when ozzie mocked him.

 

if hill shuts them down, then fire away, but he got lit. his outing was pathetic...

 

i guess if i spent all off season hyping juan pierre, i'd do the best i could to make everyone forget it by making every one of my posts about rich hill too.

 

What the heck is this? You can't just respond to his argument?

[E.J.]

Haha. Ozzie's a tool, but that's funny stuff. And Hill was right on when calling AJ gutless. He got smacked by Barrett and then just ran out of the way when the benches cleared. If you got punched in the face wouldn't you want to go after the guy that clocked you? Not AJ. He runs away, and then smacks his chin to the crowd telling them it didn't hurt that much. Total WWF crap.

[srbin84]

Haha. Ozzie's a tool, but that's funny stuff. And Hill was right on when calling AJ gutless. He got smacked by Barrett and then just ran out of the way when the benches cleared. If you got punched in the face wouldn't you want to go after the guy that clocked you? Not AJ. He runs away, and then smacks his chin to the crowd telling them it didn't hurt that much. Total WWF crap.

 

Showing it didn't hurt after fighting the guy and doing something to him is one thing, but yeah, that was so lame. What a wimp. I also don't see anything admirable about his teamates coming to his defense and tackling Barrett. If you are a man, you fight one on one or not at all.

[E.J.]

Haha. Ozzie's a tool, but that's funny stuff. And Hill was right on when calling AJ gutless. He got smacked by Barrett and then just ran out of the way when the benches cleared. If you got punched in the face wouldn't you want to go after the guy that clocked you? Not AJ. He runs away, and then smacks his chin to the crowd telling them it didn't hurt that much. Total WWF crap.

 

Showing it didn't hurt after fighting the guy and doing something to him is one thing, but yeah, that was so lame. What a wimp. I also don't see anything admirable about his teamates coming to his defense and tackling Barrett. If you are a man, you fight one on one or not at all.

 

Can't blame the teammates. That's what they're supposed to do. But if you watch the replays you'll see AJ get clocked and then he just backs out of the situation while his teammates go after Barrett.

[SaorsaDaonnan]

What on this green earth does Hill's performance have to do with his comment?

 

Yeah, he's been bad. That means he can't call out his teammates in the press for poor play, if anyone ever can. It means that he can't jaw in the press about opposing players, too.

 

But what happened out there wasn't baseball. It was a bunch of six year olds smacking eachother around. And guess what? When that kind of crap starts up, you aren't a baseball player anymore. You're just a guy with a team to support. It's no different than a bar fight with your friends.

 

Suppose you've had a hard day at the office (or 30). You're telling me that if ~30 guys come running out to smack your friend around, even if he deserves it, you can't even say anything about it afterwords?

 

By this logic, Neifi should have just said 'F this, man, I suck so bad I don't even deserve to be out there fighting with the team."

 

I'm not saying Hill was right. I don't know; I haven't made up my mind yet. But on this issue, you're not asking Hill the baseball player. You're asking Hill the man. Or Hill the boy. Whatever. But the stats stop when fists fly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe someone will be nice enough to explain this to me.

[srbin84]

Haha. Ozzie's a tool, but that's funny stuff. And Hill was right on when calling AJ gutless. He got smacked by Barrett and then just ran out of the way when the benches cleared. If you got punched in the face wouldn't you want to go after the guy that clocked you? Not AJ. He runs away, and then smacks his chin to the crowd telling them it didn't hurt that much. Total WWF crap.

 

Showing it didn't hurt after fighting the guy and doing something to him is one thing, but yeah, that was so lame. What a wimp. I also don't see anything admirable about his teamates coming to his defense and tackling Barrett. If you are a man, you fight one on one or not at all.

 

Can't blame the teammates. That's what they're supposed to do. But if you watch the replays you'll see AJ get clocked and then he just backs out of the situation while his teammates go after Barrett.

 

Yeah, at least the Cubs players were out there too. I just have strong feelings about it because I was involved in a fight where one guy started a fight with me for pretty much no reason by coming up from behind me and punching me in the head. I responded by turning around and landing about 10 unanswered alternating hooks to the left and right temple. He responded by calling out for one of his friends to help him restrain me and the other to kick and punch me. I went from starting to pulverize one guy to getting the crap beat out of me by three. AJ's actions showed he is a female sex organ, and I despise men with that quality.

[BigbadB]

Good Times!

 

The AJ non slide, the Barrett roundhouse, Hill's comments, Guillen's comments. They all mean nothing in the big picture.

 

What has happened is the media has been rerouted to something different to report about, which gives Dusty and Hendry time to breathe. And that's a shame. The Cubs lost this game 7-0. Heads need to roll.

 

Everyone now wants to discuss how Guillen is a tool, while completely ignoring Dusty. I'd trade Dusty for Guillen in a Chicago minute. It's really a no brainer. Your the GM, who do you hire?

 

1) The guy who is best friends with everyone on the team? The guy who excuses poor fundamentals and actually rewards it with more playing time? The guy who fill out his line up card upside down everyday? The guy who always has a new excuse for why the team is not playing well? The guy who thinks walks clog bases?

 

Or do you want the guy who:

 

2) Holds players accountable for their mistakes? Gets the most out of his players for fear they will be verbally abused in the Sunday papers? Wins a World Series?