Where are the Haters? Jones Breaking Out.

[1908]

Like I said he would be #7 in the league, which is better than avg and the median.

 

And he is only 10 ABs from qualifying which he would have had the last couple of days except for his groin.

Right, if the facts were different, your original post would be accurate.

 

If you include Alou's 1.107 OPS in 82 at-bats, is he still better than average?

[Pistolcub42]

I'll stop hating Jacque Jones when he learns to throw ball farther than 5 feet at a time....

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Should we be dancing in the streets that our 3 year investment for RF is up to respectability? The point remains all along that Jones is not very good. He is an acceptable option against RHP, but since he is so abominable against LHP, he is a poor option overall, and especially for a long term deal given his age(which is what we gave him). People were so relentless prior because he wasn't even giving the so-so overall production of past years, plus making stupid baserunning errors and playing a poor defensive RF. Add in the fact that people just don't care as much now because of all the losses, and it's not a mystery why Jones isn't continually berated if he hits RHP.

 

We'll be hitting a streak of division games soon plus matchups with teams that have multiple LHP in their rotation(Cleveland, Detroit). Jones is likely going to be thoroughly useless during that stretch. So if you're hankering for some Jones hate to pop up, people will probably be getting mighty sick of him again in a couple weeks.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

o the jacque jones haters are still here...sweet throw today jock strap

[sunnydoo]

If you include Alou's 1.107 OPS in 82 at-bats, is he still better than average?

 

then he is right about average and not slightly above.

 

But the thing i dont understand is that we have 2 other power corners that are doing way below Jones OPS production and they are not getting railed on. And our other power spot is down with an injury.

 

Murton is .286/.768, although he is clutch and i would miss his 2 out rbis. Murton is 10 out of 14 in league OPS rank.

 

ADisaster is .217/.721 and is hitting exactly .007 points higher than the Neifury. He is 10 out of 12 in league OPS rank.

 

Yet no one is yelling about them, ARams 11m dollar waste of salary, or whether Murton will ever have the ability to hit more than 25 HRs at a power spot, which apparently is a no no in the Jones argument.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If you include Alou's 1.107 OPS in 82 at-bats, is he still better than average?

 

then he is right about average and not slightly above.

 

But the thing i dont understand is that we have 2 other power corners that are doing way below Jones OPS production and they are not getting railed on. And our other power spot is down with an injury.

 

Murton is .286/.768, although he is clutch and i would miss his 2 out rbis. Murton is 10 out of 14 in league OPS rank.

 

ADisaster is .217/.721 and is hitting exactly .007 points higher than the Neifury. He is 10 out of 12 in league OPS rank.

 

Yet no one is yelling about them, ARams 11m dollar waste of salary, or whether Murton will ever have the ability to hit more than 25 HRs at a power spot, which apparently is a no no in the Jones argument.

 

There was plenty of debate about Murton's power this offseason. That doesn't change the fact that he's still getting on base at a good clip and is outproducing Jones when you look at RC, BRAR, VORP, etc. Plus he's younger, cheaper, and isn't making the moranic mistakes defensively and on the basepaths that Jones is.

 

I won't go over the Ramirez stuff again, others have laid it out for you and you're either not reading it or just not acknowledging it.

[frostwyrm]

Sure got quiet in Jacque Jones world all of the sudden.

 

Now hitting close to 275 and has the 2nd highest OPS of his entire career going at 806. That is good enough for 7th in OPS for RF in the NL with those qualified.

 

Yet there are crickets chirping here. So where you be?

 

Let me hear ya.

This post and this thread title absolutely reek of cubs.com. Classless, stupid, and juvenile. Maybe you should leave us and go to a message board where this type of thread is the norm and not the obnoxious exception. And guess what, Jones' numbers are only on the extreme low end of what's acceptable for his position for a whole season. He's also signed for 3 years. Kinda makes your thread look dumb.

[frostwyrm]

if you want a positive thread, why not post "Jones doing much better" or "Jones ripping righties" instead of one that calls out other posters? Wouldn't that be more positive?

 

no, not after 20+ pages of anti-Jones sentiment. i need blood in the water.

 

Does that mean I can call you out on saying Pierre will do fine until he does?

You could if you played by his pathetic rules, but I doubt you or most of the membership here will stoop to that level. NSBB forums would be a complete waste of time if that happened.

[CubinNY]

And a week ago he sucked.

 

It's called regression to the mean. It can go in both directions. But I expect he will be pretty close to his three year averages at the end of the year.

 

How stupid will this thread look in a week if he goes back to old ways?

 

One thing I've noticed is that he has been a littler more paitent during his current streak of mediocrity.

[RynoRules]

Sure got quiet in Jacque Jones world all of the sudden.

 

Now hitting close to 275 and has the 2nd highest OPS of his entire career going at 806. That is good enough for 7th in OPS for RF in the NL with those qualified.

 

Yet there are crickets chirping here. So where you be?

 

Let me hear ya.

This post and this thread title absolutely reek of cubs.com. Classless, stupid, and juvenile. Maybe you should leave us and go to a message board where this type of thread is the norm and not the obnoxious exception. And guess what, Jones' numbers are only on the extreme low end of what's acceptable for his position for a whole season. He's also signed for 3 years. Kinda makes your thread look dumb.

 

I don't think that is necessary, but I do think that sunny's logic is questionable. if you jump on guys for burying him before he gets the chance to prove himself, how can you now call them out b/c Jacque has been hot for what, a week and a half? Kinda' cuts both ways.

 

Look, I hope Jacque does really well - a .900-plus OPS woud be welcome. But its hard to ignore his putrid play in RF and that bloody three-year K (which isn't his fault - its JH's). Plus this team stinks, so I don't blame people who aren't feeling the love.

[soapy]

 

Sometimes it just takes a player 1 month to adjust to the league. One of those crazy things.

 

How does that explain his poor play in Minnesota? As has been said, (over 2,000,000 times by my count) dislike for Jones goes far beyond his early season struggles in 06.

 

You know what, nevermind.

 

ANYONE WHO THOUGHT JONES SUCKED IS WRONG AND IS A HATER. I CAN'T WAIT FOR PIERRE TO HAVE A HOT WEEK SO I CAN START A THREAD JUST LIKE THIS. THEN RUSCH, THEN NEIFI!!! IT WILL BE GREAT!!

[srbin84]

I'll read the thread later, but the answer to the question is that the haters never admit they are wrong.

[USSoccer]

I'll read the thread later, but the answer to the question is that the haters never admit they are wrong.

 

One "hot" week doesn't change a career of below average production, and doesn't excuse the terrible contract he was signed to.

[srbin84]

I'll read the thread later, but the answer to the question is that the haters never admit they are wrong.

 

One "hot" week doesn't change a career of below average production, and doesn't excuse the terrible contract he was signed to.

 

No, it doesn't, but what difference does it make. Jones is blacklisted. He can finish the season with an .850 OPS, and I doubt it would be enough to get support from the haters. How do you think the same types of people would react to a Neifi Perez NL batting title? Crickets, that's what. That's fine...if people wanna be like that, that's up to them. Let's just tell it like it is though.

[Balsa]

Maybe this will make it easier to trade him in the July fire sale.

[USSoccer]

I'll read the thread later, but the answer to the question is that the haters never admit they are wrong.

 

One "hot" week doesn't change a career of below average production, and doesn't excuse the terrible contract he was signed to.

 

No, it doesn't, but what difference does it make. Jones is blacklisted. He can finish the season with an .850 OPS, and I doubt it would be enough to get support from the haters. How do you think the same types of people would react to a Neifi Perez NL batting title? Crickets, that's what. That's fine...if people wanna be like that, that's up to them. Let's just tell it like it is though.

 

Bull. Every one of us "haters" would be thrilled to be proven wrong over a sample size like a season. If Jones finished with an .850 OPS, everyone here will be suprised and happy about that kind of season, but it wouldn't change the original facts that it was a bad signing and it would get anyone not to worry about a regression back to his career numbers in 2007. It's not "hating", it's seeing a trend and realizing that baseball players tend to gravitate towards their career norms.

 

If Neifi won a batting title, everyone here would be thrilled, because it would likely mean a more productive offense and a more competitive team. But it wouldn't erase his 2.5 years of poor play in Chicago and excuse the contract given him after those first poor seasons. It would mean he got incredibly lucky. And you know what? We'd all love to have our players-even the ones a lot of us can't stand-have that kind of luck.

 

But again, a week isn't anything. It's not a good indicator of anything at all. No one here should ever get excited about such a mediocre hot streak such as the one Sunny is yammering about Jones having, particularly when the team is 1-5 during said hot streak.

[frostwyrm]

I'll read the thread later, but the answer to the question is that the haters never admit they are wrong.

 

You should read the thread before you comment. It wasn't created to praise Jones, it was created to ridicule and embarrass other members of this forum. That's troll behavior. If I were a moderator this thread would prompt a strong warning.

[srbin84]

I'll read the thread later, but the answer to the question is that the haters never admit they are wrong.

 

You should read the thread before you comment. It wasn't created to praise Jones, it was created to ridicule and embarrass other members of this forum. That's troll behavior. If I were a moderator this thread would prompt a strong warning.

 

Oh, really? I just looked at the thread stater's post total and assumed it was praising Jones and other outcasts when they do well.

[Monco]

Its great that hes finally starting to hit.But,there is more to the game than hitting.Yesterday he missed a cutoff man that lead to a run.A week or 2 ago he was doubled off of 2nd twice in 3 days.Hopefully his hitting continues and his baserunning and defense gets up to par.

[CUBZ99]

I can't believe someone would be so thrilled with mediocrity. I think the biggest problem that most of the posters had with the Jones signing was the amount of money Jones was paid along with his less than stellar career numbers.

 

Big deal if Jones is ranked as an avg. RF so far. It still does not excuse the fact that the Cubs had money and/or talent to acquire a difference maker to play RF instead of a barely above average RF. Combined with Pierre and Murton it is my guess that the Cubs OF is below avg offensively.

[rawaction]

It took 3 premium pages before someone pointed out that an OPS of .806 isn't good? Whether or not he's been hot and has "figured it out" isn't what I'm getting from this thread. I'm getting he was really bad and is now right around average. I'm a Jones hater and I've been touting that he could be right about average or slightly above all year. Whoop-de-freakin-doo! The fact that he's the 2nd best offensive player right now isn't a reason to rejoice about his performance.

[BigbadB]

I'm not hatin' on anybody. This has become so comical that it's hysterical.

 

The Cubs have managed to remove the "lovable losers" tag. They are now the "laughable losers".

 

They are getting what they deserve for spending a good chunk of their payroll on players that bottom feeder, small market teams don't even want.

 

I'm a Cub fan, but this team is humorously bad. Good thing Hendry got an extension. I wouldn't want to see him sending out line ups that can catch the ball for some other team and against the Cubs day in and day out. How would we ever compete?

[soapy]

I'm not hatin' on anybody. This has become so comical that it's hysterical.

 

The Cubs have managed to remove the "lovable losers" tag. They are now the "laughable losers".

 

They are getting what they deserve for spending a good chunk of their payroll on players that bottom feeder, small market teams don't even want.

 

I'm a Cub fan, but this team is humorously bad. Good thing Hendry got an extension. I wouldn't want to see him sending out line ups that can catch the ball for some other team and against the Cubs day in and day out. How would we ever compete?

 

I wonder what "philosophy" Hendry will use to assemble next year's team. He's already tried sluggers, chemistry and defense. Maybe next season he'll realize he likes guys who are productive players. I won't get my hopes up.

[BigbadB]

I'm guessing guys who are more sound fundamentally. You know, guys who can actually lay down a bunt.

[sweetpeteman]

I'm not hatin' on anybody. This has become so comical that it's hysterical.

 

The Cubs have managed to remove the "lovable losers" tag. They are now the "laughable losers".

 

They are getting what they deserve for spending a good chunk of their payroll on players that bottom feeder, small market teams don't even want.

 

I'm a Cub fan, but this team is humorously bad. Good thing Hendry got an extension. I wouldn't want to see him sending out line ups that can catch the ball for some other team and against the Cubs day in and day out. How would we ever compete?

 

I wonder what "philosophy" Hendry will use to assemble next year's team. He's already tried sluggers, chemistry and defense. Maybe next season he'll realize he likes guys who are productive players. I won't get my hopes up.

 

And once again we get to the root of the problem. HENDRY DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN/HAS NO CLUE WHAT HE'S DOING.

 

 

man, it pisses me off when Hendry is giving a press conference and no one asks him about his plan and why it keeps changing...