Gary Hughes Possible Candidate for Reds GM

[rocket]

Please let it be true.

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/reds/daily/0124redsside.html

 

Names surfacing immediately included Brad Kullman, Wayne Krivsky, Gary Hughes, Jack McKeon and Michael Hill, among others.

 

Hughes, a personable baseball lifer, is assistant general manager of the Chicago Cubs and a close confidante to general manager Jim Hendry, both acknowledged as two of baseball's top minds.

 

Hughes served as a special adviser to Bowden before the Cubs hired him as their assistant general manager.

 

"I love that place, that city, that team, the people there and it's a shame what has happened," said Hughes.

[imb]

What in the hell is a dips? sounds like something i put my chips in, am i right scouts, i mean, give me some fives on that one!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hopefully, they hire Hughes and he doesn't like Dunn in LF and trades him to the Cubs for Felix Pie and Roberto Novoa.

[CubinNY]

What in the hell is a dips? sounds like something i put my chips in, am i right scouts, i mean, give me some fives on that one!

 

That is awesome!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Hopefully, they hire Hughes and he doesn't like Dunn in LF and trades him to the Cubs for Felix Pie and Roberto Novoa.

 

Hopefully, he trades him to the Cubs for Dwaine Bacon and Roberto Novoa.

[rawaction]

Hopefully, they hire Hughes and he doesn't like Dunn in LF and trades him to the Cubs for Felix Pie and Roberto Novoa.

 

Or he could always just leave him at 1B where he is slated to play this year.

[SouthSideRyan]

How great that you've all decided to ignore comments posted on this very board From Bruce Miles that Hughes isn't the old stat hating codger you all claimed he was. Nothing gets in the way of bad jokes! Edited January 24, 2006 by SouthSideRyan

[Ram1380]

Hopefully, they hire Hughes and he doesn't like Dunn in LF and trades him to the Cubs for Felix Pie and Roberto Novoa.

 

Or he could always just leave him at 1B where he is slated to play this year.

 

 

 

Buzz kill.

 

 

 

:)

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Hopefully, they hire Hughes and he doesn't like Dunn in LF and trades him to the Cubs for Felix Pie and Roberto Novoa.

 

Or he could always just leave him at 1B where he is slated to play this year.

Lyke no wai!1 teh cobs r gun get r Dunn lolz!

[E.J.]

The Reds just hired Jim Beattie to be special advisor to the GM. Gotta figure he has the inside track at being named GM with his previous history.

 

Cincy Enquirer

 

Jim Beattie starts a new job with the Reds today. He hopes it leads to a very quick promotion.

 

Beattie, the former Baltimore Orioles general manager, has been hired by chief executive officer Bob Castellini as a special adviser to evaluate the club's pitching.

 

"I'm going to come in and take a look at what they've been doing," he said. "I'll take a look at the prospects in the system and the programs they have in place."

 

But Castellini said Beattie will be considered as the permanent replacement for GM Dan O'Brien, who was fired Monday.

[wekse]

Hopefully, they hire Hughes and he doesn't like Dunn in LF and trades him to the Cubs for Felix Pie and Roberto Novoa.

 

Or he could always just leave him at 1B where he is slated to play this year.

Lyke no wai!1 teh cobs r gun get r Dunn lolz!

 

you should go ahead and change your name now, it's fitting.

[Bruce Miles]

I appreciate sarcasm as much as the next guy, but let's not stereotype Gary Hughes. Just look at the great players he brought into the Montreal and Florida organizations. And you can give him a big assist in the Cubs getting Nomar and Murton in 2004. As I've said before, he's a scout's scout, but he understands the importance of things like OBP. He'd make a fine general manager IMO.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How great that you've all decided to ignore comments posted on this very board From Bruce Miles that Hughes isn't the old stat hating codger you all claimed he was. Nothing gets in the way of bad jokes!

 

It's not like we made this stuff up.

[SouthSideRyan]

Gary Hughes said this "What in the hell is a dips? sounds like something i put my chips in, am i right scouts, i mean, give me some fives on that one!"

 

?

[JeffH]

Beattie, the former Baltimore Orioles general manager, has been hired by chief executive officer Bob Castellini as a special adviser to evaluate the club's pitching.

 

"Bob, the pitching sucks. Can I punch out?"

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Gary Hughes said this "What in the hell is a dips? sounds like something i put my chips in, am i right scouts, i mean, give me some fives on that one!"

 

?

 

ALAN SCHWARZ: One thing that Eddie and Gary, you might not be aware of, is that a few years ago Voros came up with something called Defense Independent Pitching Stats, which . . .

 

EDDIE BANE: Alan, you said, "You guys may not be aware." That's one of the things we're battling. We are aware. I read these guys' stuff all the time.

 

ALAN SCHWARZ: I said, "May not be aware." Gary, have you ever heard of DIPS?

 

GARY HUGHES: No.

 

ALAN SCHWARZ: OK then! (Laughter)

 

EDDIE BANE: But I'm going to read everything I can, and on top of that have Gary Hughes in the ballpark to see what the guy does. We're trying to dispel these things. It's not like when we're drafting we spit tobacco at the board, and whatever name we hit is the guy we take. I've read this stuff.

 

GARY HUGHES: Is that what DIPS is? Tobacco? (Laughter)

 

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[CuseCubFan69]

The Reds just hired Jim Beattie to be special advisor to the GM. Gotta figure he has the inside track at being named GM with his previous history.

 

Cincy Enquirer

 

Jim Beattie starts a new job with the Reds today. He hopes it leads to a very quick promotion.

 

Beattie, the former Baltimore Orioles general manager, has been hired by chief executive officer Bob Castellini as a special adviser to evaluate the club's pitching.

 

"I'm going to come in and take a look at what they've been doing," he said. "I'll take a look at the prospects in the system and the programs they have in place."

 

But Castellini said Beattie will be considered as the permanent replacement for GM Dan O'Brien, who was fired Monday.

 

Isn't Beattie one of the guys that helped ruin Baltimore?

[CuseCubFan69]

I appreciate sarcasm as much as the next guy, but let's not stereotype Gary Hughes. Just look at the great players he brought into the Montreal and Florida organizations. And you can give him a big assist in the Cubs getting Nomar and Murton in 2004. As I've said before, he's a scout's scout, but he understands the importance of things like OBP. He'd make a fine general manager IMO.

 

I like to bust Hughes chops as much as the next fan but I agree with you that he would be a fine GM for the Reds.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Isn't Beattie one of the guys that helped ruin Baltimore?

 

Well he did work for Baltimore, but it is PETER ANGELOS who has ruined the Baltimore Orioles. It has got to be a real pain in the bootay for the Orioles fans, that the previous franchise that went by "Baltimore Orioles" has 26 world championships, and the current "Baltimore Orioles" have a messed up owner in Peter Angelos.

[CubDad4Ever]

I really get it now. Most of the sarcasm on this board is based on percieved views from the book moneyball and "old school baseballs respones to it. Walks clog , get guys who can catch it etc. First of all i have a lot of friends that are ex college and some pro players. They respect how dificullt the game is and how much failure is in it. They naturally question statements in the form of absolutes and are often trying to exhibit said feelings , with sarcasm and humor. Many on this board buy it hook line and sinker as they do moneyball in general . They fail to read all the books Bill James has written . (i have) and his abhorance of people who run away with one stat or metric. He values constant evaulation and multiple metric tests. So guys like Gary Hughes have their value when taken in context , as does Dusty. The truth is people dont want to blame people like Wood and Prior who have not pitched to the level of expectation. Its easier to make Dusty the whipping boy with Nefi. Offense is critical but many aspects of the game are also. Evaluation needs to be eclectic and diverse to fit diverse needs. God Bless Coach L

[SouthSideRyan]

Huh, never read that debate. Interesting to say the least. But, tangentially related to DIPS you have this quote from Hughes:

 

"You show up at a game and the first thing you get is a stat sheet and you look at it. This has only been for the last 30 or 35 years that I’ve been doing this. But guess what? The guy with the best strikeout-to-walk ratio is usually the best player. Wow! This didn’t just happen in the past five years."

[imb]

Gary Hughes said this "What in the hell is a dips? sounds like something i put my chips in, am i right scouts, i mean, give me some fives on that one!"

 

?

 

It was a joke, jesus christ, crusader.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Many have held their beliefs long before Moneyball. I believe it was the late eighties when I first started reading the work of Palmer, Thorn, James, among others. Moneyball may have brought to light what many of us already were aware of.

[CuseCubFan69]

I really get it now. Most of the sarcasm on this board is based on percieved views from the book moneyball and "old school baseballs respones to it. Walks clog , get guys who can catch it etc. First of all i have a lot of friends that are ex college and some pro players. They respect how dificullt the game is and how much failure is in it. They naturally question statements in the form of absolutes and are often trying to exhibit said feelings , with sarcasm and humor. Many on this board buy it hook line and sinker as they do moneyball in general . They fail to read all the books Bill James has written . (i have) and his abhorance of people who run away with one stat or metric. He values constant evaulation and multiple metric tests. So guys like Gary Hughes have their value when taken in context , as does Dusty. The truth is people dont want to blame people like Wood and Prior who have not pitched to the level of expectation. Its easier to make Dusty the whipping boy with Nefi. Offense is critical but many aspects of the game are also. Evaluation needs to be eclectic and diverse to fit diverse needs. God Bless Coach L

 

You can't include me with this moneyball thing. I've never read it and I highly suspect it was really written by Mark Bellhorn to further his career.

 

I agree with you that there are many aspects to consider when you are building a team just as there are when posters steriotype posters. We all believe different things about building a team and some lean in one direction and some another but IMO it's never an all or nothing type deal.

Edited January 24, 2006 by CuseCubFan69

[rocket]

I really get it now. Most of the sarcasm on this board is based on percieved views from the book moneyball and "old school baseballs respones to it. Walks clog , get guys who can catch it etc. First of all i have a lot of friends that are ex college and some pro players. They respect how dificullt the game is and how much failure is in it. They naturally question statements in the form of absolutes and are often trying to exhibit said feelings , with sarcasm and humor. Many on this board buy it hook line and sinker as they do moneyball in general . They fail to read all the books Bill James has written . (i have) and his abhorance of people who run away with one stat or metric. He values constant evaulation and multiple metric tests. So guys like Gary Hughes have their value when taken in context , as does Dusty. The truth is people dont want to blame people like Wood and Prior who have not pitched to the level of expectation. Its easier to make Dusty the whipping boy with Nefi. Offense is critical but many aspects of the game are also. Evaluation needs to be eclectic and diverse to fit diverse needs. God Bless Coach L

 

I don't know what this means, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong in your assessment.

 

But it's a lot easier to label people who disagree with you or other traditionalists as people who blindly follow Moneyball and James without having their own thoughts.

Edited January 24, 2006 by rocket