Big Ten Basketball

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think as long as Illinois wins 1 game in the Big 10 tourney they get a 2 seed.

 

It looks like UConn, Nova, Duke, Memphis, Ohio St., Gonzaga, Texas, and Illinois as the 1s and 2s IMO.

 

North Carolina, Tennessee and GW could get in there with very strong showings in their tourneys as well.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'll go on record guaranteeing GW doesn't get higher than a 3.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll go on record guaranteeing GW doesn't get higher than a 3.

 

Their SOS is embarrassing, but we have recent evidence going either way, with St. Joes getting a one seed, and Gonzaga getting a 6 several years back.

[da bears]

What does everyone think Gonzaga should get? I think at best a 3 seed. I bet they get a two, but in my opinion, with that conference and the close games theyve played, I dont think they deserve it. I think if Ohio State and Illinois both win their quarterfinal games, they should both be two seeds, ahead of Gonzaga. Edited March 6, 2006 by da bears

[SouthSideRyan]

GW hasn't beaten a team presently ranked all year. (They beat Maryland when they were #17, but I don't think anybody's arguing that Maryland was even a top 25 team then) That Maryland game happens to be their best win. The only tourney team they played all year was NC St. and they were rolled by them by 19.

 

When St. Joe's got the #1, they were undefeated heading into the conference tourney(which seems to be taken less into account than standard games by the committee. The A-10 wasn't god-awful like it is this year, sending I believe 3 or 4 teams. And St. Joe's had some decent wins, beating Gonzaga and BC.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What does everyone think Gonzaga should get? I think at best a 3 seed. I bet they get a two, but in my opinion, with that conference and the close games theyve played, I dont think they deserve it.

 

They've won all the games, and they can't control the quality of their conference. Their non-con SOS is better than UConn, Villanova, O$U, Illinois, Texas, and UNC. I think they deserve a 2 if they win their tourney, although that could change depending on how the power conference tourneys go.

[SouthSideRyan]

What does everyone think Gonzaga should get? I think at best a 3 seed. I bet they get a two, but in my opinion, with that conference and the close games theyve played, I dont think they deserve it. I think if Ohio State and Illinois both win their quarterfinal games, they should both be two seeds, ahead of Gonzaga.

 

I have to build suspense for the mock selection committee, but all those 1 possession wins against inferior opponents don't look too good to me.

[bukie]

Now, save some of this for the mock selection committee... ;)

 

Seriously, I think there are 2 1-seeds locked in, and about 6 teams that have a shot at it. Villanova and UConn are in, no matter what. After that, there's a hodge podge of teams with similar resume's:

 

Duke, Memphis, Ohio State, Illinois, Gonzaga, Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, UCLA, and even Kansas (if you just take into consideration what they've done since the start of the year, they'd have an outside shot at a 1...looking at their whole resume, it just doesn't stand up).

 

Right now, I think still Duke and Ohio State/Memphis. If Memphis loses early, and Ohio State goes further than Illinois in the conference tourney, I think Ohio State is the 4th 1 seed.

[da bears]

Now, save some of this for the mock selection committee... ;)

 

Seriously, I think there are 2 1-seeds locked in, and about 6 teams that have a shot at it. Villanova and UConn are in, no matter what. After that, there's a hodge podge of teams with similar resume's:

 

Duke, Memphis, Ohio State, Illinois, Gonzaga, Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, UCLA, and even Kansas (if you just take into consideration what they've done since the start of the year, they'd have an outside shot at a 1...looking at their whole resume, it just doesn't stand up).

 

Right now, I think still Duke and Ohio State/Memphis. If Memphis loses early, and Ohio State goes further than Illinois in the conference tourney, I think Ohio State is the 4th 1 seed.

 

I can't argue that logic. I think Ohio State should get consideration just because they won the league with the highest RPI and one of the two toughest conferences in CBB.

[fiver]

I think the Hoosiers played their way up to a #7 or 8 seed now. Beating a very good team on the road in the last game of the regular season is HUGE. Four wins in a row now, including beating a ranked team at home and winning a very tough road game to end the season. The nightmarish freefall is a distant memory now. Absolute lock for the tournament, no questions asked.

 

I have no problems admitting that I gave up the idea of this team making the tournament just a bit too soon. In my defense, the games played between White's season ending injury and Davis's resignation did seem to catalyze an extended bout with irritable bowel sydrome...so..

 

The win against Michigan absolutely assures IU an invitation, and I'm pleased that this team has somewhat salvaged this season. While I don't think that they are equipped for much more of a March run, the tourny experience will be positive for the underclassmen. New Goal = Sweet 16.

[NCCubFan]

I wrote the Hoosiers off too; I thought I saw too many signs of an unending tailspin. I saw them losing three of their last four games (all except Penn State at home) and another NIT appearance.

[Magnetic Curses]

Dustyism. Wins are a team stat, one that Dee isn't solely responsible for. It's only barely relevant when evaluating individual players.

 

agreed. The white guy at the end of the bench the last 2 or 3 years has the same winning % as Brown. So what?

 

are you kidding me? the fact that brown has been the team leader for 4 years (and no, to folks who don't know much about the illini but seem to think they do, deron wasn't ever the leader), playing a majority of the minutes and often dictating the pace of the games means nothing? i guess to you he's about as responsible for the team wins as some walk-on, though.

 

hating.

[Magnetic Curses]

boy, dee came to play yesterday, didn't he? huge game, huge win, maybe we can stop all the talk about dee being overrated. i understand there are a lot of people out there who absolutely hate the illini and malign any success they may have, but let's give credit where it's due.

 

MSU didn't play poorly and the illini still beat them fairly handily on their home court. illinois is a #2, if they're not, it's a crime.

 

I'm going to preface this by saying that I didn't see the second half yesterday, nor have I looked at the box score, just the final on a ticker.

 

Dee Brown is overrated. He's not a very good scorer at all, 55th of 58 B10 players in PPWS. He's a very good defender, and he does a good job of not turning the ball over and distributing, but in all honesty he doesn't belong on the B10 first team.

 

Now, feel free to say that I hate Illinois and all that it stands for, and that I'm bitter about yesterday or the season or whatever.

 

you are bitter. the fact that MSU just can't seem to get over the hump against Illinois really inflames you, doesn't it?

[bukie]

boy, dee came to play yesterday, didn't he? huge game, huge win, maybe we can stop all the talk about dee being overrated. i understand there are a lot of people out there who absolutely hate the illini and malign any success they may have, but let's give credit where it's due.

 

MSU didn't play poorly and the illini still beat them fairly handily on their home court. illinois is a #2, if they're not, it's a crime.

 

I'm going to preface this by saying that I didn't see the second half yesterday, nor have I looked at the box score, just the final on a ticker.

 

Dee Brown is overrated. He's not a very good scorer at all, 55th of 58 B10 players in PPWS. He's a very good defender, and he does a good job of not turning the ball over and distributing, but in all honesty he doesn't belong on the B10 first team.

 

Now, feel free to say that I hate Illinois and all that it stands for, and that I'm bitter about yesterday or the season or whatever.

 

you are bitter. the fact that MSU just can't seem to get over the hump against Illinois really inflames you, doesn't it?

 

Dee has been atrociously inefficient this year offensively. The rest of his game has been outstanding, though, and has carried the team through several games this year, including last Saturday. If he was an efficient scorer, he'd have to be a unanimous all-Big Ten choice. As it is, he's probably Illinois' best choice, even over Augustine who, while great, is maddeningly inconsistent.

 

Dee's best asset is the ability to affect the game in a positive way even when he's not scoring at an effective pace.

[Magnetic Curses]

boy, dee came to play yesterday, didn't he? huge game, huge win, maybe we can stop all the talk about dee being overrated. i understand there are a lot of people out there who absolutely hate the illini and malign any success they may have, but let's give credit where it's due.

 

MSU didn't play poorly and the illini still beat them fairly handily on their home court. illinois is a #2, if they're not, it's a crime.

 

I'm going to preface this by saying that I didn't see the second half yesterday, nor have I looked at the box score, just the final on a ticker.

 

Dee Brown is overrated. He's not a very good scorer at all, 55th of 58 B10 players in PPWS. He's a very good defender, and he does a good job of not turning the ball over and distributing, but in all honesty he doesn't belong on the B10 first team.

 

Now, feel free to say that I hate Illinois and all that it stands for, and that I'm bitter about yesterday or the season or whatever.

 

you are bitter. the fact that MSU just can't seem to get over the hump against Illinois really inflames you, doesn't it?

 

Dee has been atrociously inefficient this year offensively. The rest of his game has been outstanding, though, and has carried the team through several games this year, including last Saturday. If he was an efficient scorer, he'd have to be a unanimous all-Big Ten choice. As it is, he's probably Illinois' best choice, even over Augustine who, while great, is maddeningly inconsistent.

 

Dee's best asset is the ability to affect the game in a positive way even when he's not scoring at an effective pace.

 

and i never said he wasn't inefficient shooting the ball. something he will have to work on before the draft. but anyone who saw the second half of the MSU game could tell you what he's capable of when shooting the ball effectively.

[snoodmonger]

Dustyism. Wins are a team stat, one that Dee isn't solely responsible for. It's only barely relevant when evaluating individual players.

 

agreed. The white guy at the end of the bench the last 2 or 3 years has the same winning % as Brown. So what?

 

are you kidding me? the fact that brown has been the team leader for 4 years (and no, to folks who don't know much about the illini but seem to think they do, deron wasn't ever the leader), playing a majority of the minutes and often dictating the pace of the games means nothing? i guess to you he's about as responsible for the team wins as some walk-on, though.

 

hating.

 

If Dee had been surrounded by different players throughout his career, his Win column total would probably be different. I don't care if he controls tempo, refills the water bottles, and presses Weber's orange blazer before every game--wins can't be attributed to Dee (or any single player.) And for the record, while I hate the Illini, I like Dee Brown. I think he's a very good college player.

[Magnetic Curses]

Dustyism. Wins are a team stat, one that Dee isn't solely responsible for. It's only barely relevant when evaluating individual players.

 

agreed. The white guy at the end of the bench the last 2 or 3 years has the same winning % as Brown. So what?

 

are you kidding me? the fact that brown has been the team leader for 4 years (and no, to folks who don't know much about the illini but seem to think they do, deron wasn't ever the leader), playing a majority of the minutes and often dictating the pace of the games means nothing? i guess to you he's about as responsible for the team wins as some walk-on, though.

 

hating.

 

If Dee had been surrounded by different players throughout his career, his Win column total would probably be different. I don't care if he controls tempo, refills the water bottles, and presses Weber's orange blazer before every game--wins can't be attributed to Dee (or any single player.) And for the record, while I hate the Illini, I like Dee Brown. I think he's a very good college player.

 

it's that way with every college player and team, but to assert that some walk-on at the end of the bench is as responsible for the team's victories as dee is absolutely ridiculous. why is it so hard to agree with me on this one?

 

what on earth would cause you to hate the illini?

[reggiemiller rules]

Dustyism. Wins are a team stat, one that Dee isn't solely responsible for. It's only barely relevant when evaluating individual players.

 

agreed. The white guy at the end of the bench the last 2 or 3 years has the same winning % as Brown. So what?

 

are you kidding me? the fact that brown has been the team leader for 4 years (and no, to folks who don't know much about the illini but seem to think they do, deron wasn't ever the leader), playing a majority of the minutes and often dictating the pace of the games means nothing? i guess to you he's about as responsible for the team wins as some walk-on, though.

 

 

 

 

hating.

 

If Dee had been surrounded by different players throughout his career, his Win column total would probably be different. I don't care if he controls tempo, refills the water bottles, and presses Weber's orange blazer before every game--wins can't be attributed to Dee (or any single player.) And for the record, while I hate the Illini, I like Dee Brown. I think he's a very good college player.

 

it's that way with every college player and team, but to assert that some walk-on at the end of the bench is as responsible for the team's victories as dee is absolutely ridiculous. why is it so hard to agree with me on this one?

 

what on earth would cause you to hate the illini?

 

 

Here is a quote from Izzo on the issue of Dee. " He's the MVP of the league because he just makes plays. Dee Brown is to them what Mateen Cleeves was for us. Some guys just have a will to win." I think Izzo knows a little bit more about basketball then any of us and he tends to think that some players are just flatout winners, and Dee is one of them.

[SeldomSeen]

Dustyism. Wins are a team stat, one that Dee isn't solely responsible for. It's only barely relevant when evaluating individual players.

 

agreed. The white guy at the end of the bench the last 2 or 3 years has the same winning % as Brown. So what?

 

are you kidding me? the fact that brown has been the team leader for 4 years (and no, to folks who don't know much about the illini but seem to think they do, deron wasn't ever the leader), playing a majority of the minutes and often dictating the pace of the games means nothing? i guess to you he's about as responsible for the team wins as some walk-on, though.

 

hating.

 

If Dee had been surrounded by different players throughout his career, his Win column total would probably be different. I don't care if he controls tempo, refills the water bottles, and presses Weber's orange blazer before every game--wins can't be attributed to Dee (or any single player.) And for the record, while I hate the Illini, I like Dee Brown. I think he's a very good college player.

 

it's that way with every college player and team, but to assert that some walk-on at the end of the bench is as responsible for the team's victories as dee is absolutely ridiculous. why is it so hard to agree with me on this one?

 

what on earth would cause you to hate the illini?

 

Besides their fans' paranoia and inferiority complex? :P

[UMFan83]

Now both Sportslines projectors have Michigan out of the dance. Thanks a lot scUM for ruining another college basketball season for me. I haven't seen my team in the NCAA tourney since 1998 and you've pissed it away for me again.

[hawkeyecub]

All Big Ten Teams released today, here's the coaches first team...

 

Selected by the Coaches:

James Augustine, Illinois

Dee Brown, Illinois

Greg Brunner, Iowa

Terence Dials, Ohio State

ALANDO TUCKER, Wisconsin

 

Dials won player of the year, Erek Hansen was defensive player of the year, Doug Thomas won the 6th man of the year and Jamelle Cornley from PSU won Freshman of the year.

 

SECOND TEAM

SHANNON BROWN, Michigan St.

Paul Davis, Michigan State

Je'Kel Foster, Ohio State

Daniel Horton, Michigan

Vedran Vukusic, Northwestern

 

THIRD TEAM

Maurice Ager, Michigan State

GEARY CLAXTON, Penn State#

Vincent Grier, Minnesota#

ADAM HALUSKA, Iowa#

Jeff Horner, Iowa

Marco Killingsworth, Indiana

 

HONORABLE MENTION

JAMAR BUTLER, Ohio State

KAMMRON TAYLOR, Wisconsin

ROBERT VADEN, Indiana

[snoodmonger]

Dustyism. Wins are a team stat, one that Dee isn't solely responsible for. It's only barely relevant when evaluating individual players.

 

agreed. The white guy at the end of the bench the last 2 or 3 years has the same winning % as Brown. So what?

 

are you kidding me? the fact that brown has been the team leader for 4 years (and no, to folks who don't know much about the illini but seem to think they do, deron wasn't ever the leader), playing a majority of the minutes and often dictating the pace of the games means nothing? i guess to you he's about as responsible for the team wins as some walk-on, though.

 

hating.

 

If Dee had been surrounded by different players throughout his career, his Win column total would probably be different. I don't care if he controls tempo, refills the water bottles, and presses Weber's orange blazer before every game--wins can't be attributed to Dee (or any single player.) And for the record, while I hate the Illini, I like Dee Brown. I think he's a very good college player.

 

it's that way with every college player and team, but to assert that some walk-on at the end of the bench is as responsible for the team's victories as dee is absolutely ridiculous. why is it so hard to agree with me on this one?

 

what on earth would cause you to hate the illini?

 

Besides their fans' paranoia and inferiority complex? :P

 

We have a winner. And because every Illini fan I know never misses a chance to take a shot at Kansas.

 

And of course I agree with you on Dee's impact compared to that of a walk-on. Like I said, I like Dee. He's fun to watch, and he's good for the game. And he's always seemed like a genuinely nice kid. I hope he can stick in the NBA, make a little moolah for himself.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wow, real surprised Augustine made 1st team, though I do find him to be pretty universally underrated.

 

Any reason for the random capitalization hawkeye?

[reggiemiller rules]

Wow, real surprised Augustine made 1st team, though I do find him to be pretty universally underrated.

 

Any reason for the random capitalization hawkeye?

 

I believe its players with elegibilty left, but thats just a guess from looking at the names.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Any reason for the random capitalization hawkeye?

 

Underclassmen?