Manny to the Mets?

[E.J.]

So one of Manny's main complaints was too much media coverage in BOSTON...

 

Yeah right. I'm sure it will be much better for him in NY. :D

[Cubzfan64]

As far as what Manny's production would be like if he were traded... I have no reason whatsoever to think his production would go down - in fact, if I had to guess I would say there's a better likelihood that it would go up for 2 reasons:

 

1. A happy Manny is a very productive Manny - look how he's doing in Boston right now and he's NOT very happy.

 

2. Manny took awhile to get "going" offensively this year and really seems to be hitting his stride now. Manny may be alot of things - both positive and negative, but the one thing I DO believe is that he is one of the top 5 offensive threats in MLB - he simply has a physical talent to hit a baseball.

[GaborBako]

Manny certainly knew he was involved in the trade talks for A-Rod. In fact one night when it looked like it was going to happen he apparently called John Henry and begged to not be traded.

 

He has, however requested a trade in each of the last four seasons. He thinks Boston, while a big city, is too "small" and that in his mind going to New York would actually give him more privacy, what with there being two NY teams, etc. Nobody ever said Manny wasn't nuts.

 

The Red Sox main motivation for trading him now is that after this season he becomes a 10-5 guy which will hurt their options and right now he has 65 million guaranteed dollars left on that huge contract he signed five years ago and the Sox know if they will eat about $5 million a year that they have a window (which likely closes Sunday at 3 p.m. our time) where they can actually get value for him, since $15 million per year for three years is probably something a team (like the Mets) can justify paying him.

[BRBHAWK]

As far as what Manny's production would be like if he were traded... I have no reason whatsoever to think his production would go down - in fact, if I had to guess I would say there's a better likelihood that it would go up for 2 reasons:

 

I agree, it will go up for now.

 

I said it earlier in this thread and also felt it about him if the cubs got him. The next three months will not be the prob.

Manny will be 'good' and play ball. it is next year, and the next...once he finds another reason to complain.

[Outshined_One]

Didn't he say want more privacy, too?

 

That makes no sense considering the NY sports media is the most bloodthirsty and psychotic in the US. Boston is pretty bad, but by comparison, they are all kittens and sunshine compared to the NY media.

[UMFan83]

Didn't he say want more privacy, too?

 

That makes no sense considering the NY sports media is the most bloodthirsty and psychotic in the US. Boston is pretty bad, but by comparison, they are all kittens and sunshine compared to the NY media.

 

I understand what his point is. NYC has 2 baseball teams and a lot of other stuff that people worried about. In the summer, the Red Sox are pretty much the focal point. In NYC he would share the spotlight in the media with Jeter, ARod, Sheffield, Randy Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Mike Piazza, Carlos Beltran, Pedro Martinez, etc etc. In Boston, he is the focal point along with Ortiz, Schilling and Varitek.

[Cubzfan64]

Manny certainly knew he was involved in the trade talks for A-Rod. In fact one night when it looked like it was going to happen he apparently called John Henry and begged to not be traded.

 

He has, however requested a trade in each of the last four seasons. He thinks Boston, while a big city, is too "small" and that in his mind going to New York would actually give him more privacy, what with there being two NY teams, etc. Nobody ever said Manny wasn't nuts.

 

The Red Sox main motivation for trading him now is that after this season he becomes a 10-5 guy which will hurt their options and right now he has 65 million guaranteed dollars left on that huge contract he signed five years ago and the Sox know if they will eat about $5 million a year that they have a window (which likely closes Sunday at 3 p.m. our time) where they can actually get value for him, since $15 million per year for three years is probably something a team (like the Mets) can justify paying him.

 

If that's the case, I apologize for my statement - I had heard on numerous occasions that Manny was oblivious to the ARod thing - however I heard those things all second hand and should have said that in my comment. Sorry

[TheDude]

Why do so many people predict a downfall in Manny's numbers? He is a perrenial MVP candidate and one of the best hitters in baseball. Parks don't matter. Opposing pitchers don't matter. No fringe factors stat-busters can search for justify that prediction really.

 

The Mets would definately be propelled to the favorite for the wild card with Manny. Beltran, Ramirez, and Wright in the middle, with support by Piazza and Reyes. Man that is serious offense.

[TXCubsFan]

Bye Bye wild card :cry:

 

Remember, they're the Mets. They can overcome any amount of talent to lose in the end! :twisted:

[CubfaninCA]

Man I need ESPNews. Hopefully this isn't a done deal. :cry:

 

Actually my guess is that the Cubs get Floyd. That's just a classic Trib move. Nothing too big, but a nice move.

[BigbadB]

Why do so many people predict a downfall in Manny's numbers? He is a perrenial MVP candidate and one of the best hitters in baseball. Parks don't matter. Opposing pitchers don't matter. No fringe factors stat-busters can search for justify that prediction really.

 

The Mets would definately be propelled to the favorite for the wild card with Manny. Beltran, Ramirez, and Wright in the middle, with support by Piazza and Reyes. Man that is serious offense.

 

We probably shouldn't have predicted Sammy Sosa's downfall either. We should just assume he would produce his 2001 numbers well into his forties. Sosa's OPS has dropped steadily each year since 2001. Sosa was 32 in 2001.

 

Manny is 33 now. It's reasonable to predict a drop off for any player (other than Bonds) as they age deeper into their 30's.

[erik316wttn]

Bye Bye wild card :cry:

 

Remember, they're the Mets. They can overcome any amount of talent to lose in the end! :twisted:

 

As can the Cubs. See 2003, 2004.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Man I need ESPNews. Hopefully this isn't a done deal. :cry:

 

Actually my guess is that the Cubs get Floyd. That's just a classic Trib move. Nothing too big, but a nice move.

 

Heh, I'm watching ESPNews, and they're talking to John Clayton. They had Olney on a little bit ago, but the only thing interesting he said was that the Cubs said they were interested in Soriano if they were dealing him, and the Rangers said okay. Said that there's a 10% chance of Soriano moving.

[BigbadB]

Man I need ESPNews. Hopefully this isn't a done deal. :cry:

 

Actually my guess is that the Cubs get Floyd. That's just a classic Trib move. Nothing too big, but a nice move.

 

I'd be fine with Floyd. I was hoping we would get Floyd for Sosa. But, I'd like to see Hendry exhaust all efforts for Dunn first.

[Outshined_One]

Didn't he say want more privacy, too?

 

That makes no sense considering the NY sports media is the most bloodthirsty and psychotic in the US. Boston is pretty bad, but by comparison, they are all kittens and sunshine compared to the NY media.

 

I understand what his point is. NYC has 2 baseball teams and a lot of other stuff that people worried about. In the summer, the Red Sox are pretty much the focal point. In NYC he would share the spotlight in the media with Jeter, ARod, Sheffield, Randy Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Mike Piazza, Carlos Beltran, Pedro Martinez, etc etc. In Boston, he is the focal point along with Ortiz, Schilling and Varitek.

 

He'd likely get one of the center spotlights being a former member of the Red Sox, a huge contract, a name player, and a tormentor of the Yankees for most of his career. I can understand where you're coming from on this, but I honestly think that his privacy would go flying out the window the moment he got traded to the Mets.

[CubfaninCA]

Man I need ESPNews. Hopefully this isn't a done deal. :cry:

 

Actually my guess is that the Cubs get Floyd. That's just a classic Trib move. Nothing too big, but a nice move.

 

I'd be fine with Floyd. I was hoping we would get Floyd for Sosa. But, I'd like to see Hendry exhaust all efforts for Dunn first.

 

The lineup would be pretty balanced w/ lefties and righties w/ Floyd. My guess is that Murton would be the odd man out. Perhaps they can trade him & Patterson for a pitcher?? I just heard that Anaheim's in discussions w/ SF, so my guess is that Schmidt's on the block.

[katway]

...Manny is from Washington Heights. The distractions alone will decrease his production...

 

The odd thing about Manny is that in spite of whatever else may be going on, he is one of the most focused hitters I have ever seen at the plate. The minute that pitcher releases the ball, Manny focuses like few other hitters. It really is uncanny how he is so consistent at blocking everything else out when he is playing. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Manny will be Manny wherever he plays and will always produce with the bat. however, I do think that the Mets weaker lineup will result in less production than what he has in Boston if he indeed is traded to the Mets.

[BigbadB]

Wow, will Tampa be happy if this trade goes through. Rotoworld quotes Buster Olney that Tampa would receive Shoppach, Petit, Milledge and Sanchez if this trade goes down.

 

Just, wow.

[Demon Mike]

For Baez and Huff?

 

I call bull.

[CubsInNC]

Wow, will Tampa be happy if this trade goes through. Rotoworld quotes Buster Olney that Tampa would receive Shoppach, Petit, Milledge and Sanchez if this trade goes down.

 

Just, wow.

 

That was my thought exactly. And having the Mets involved dealing 2 of their top prospects for essentially Danys Baez. Wow. I'm not surprised, (see Kazmir for Zambrabo). *IF* Boston isn't picking up ANY of Manny's salary in this deal, the Mets are by far getting the crappiest deal in this. Baez, who might help shore up the bullpen, or might crack under the pressure in the bigtime. And Manny, who may still be at the top of his game, but will begin his decline, and in 2 years be virtually untradeable. Boston will get Cameron and Huff, and be have a very formidible 4 outfielders offensively, when Nixon returns. And the D-Rays. If Sweet Lou ever finds a plan down there, and sticks with it, this could be a mega swing for them.

[ZMovieman]

Just out of curiousity's sake, if Manny becomes a Met, does he take his RBI lead with him to the National League? Cuz if he does, then Lee's got a big stumbling block towards a Triple Crown race.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Just out of curiousity's sake, if Manny becomes a Met, does he take his RBI lead with him to the National League? Cuz if he does, then Lee's got a big stumbling block towards a Triple Crown race.

 

If I remember correctly from the Beltran deal last year, his totals in the NL start at 0. Not 100% sure though.

[Jazz]

wow i completely forgot about that

what happens if we get manny, and he comes in as the RBI leader for the NL

oh well winning > achievements, right sammy?

[XZero771679666304]

I am almost positive Manny would not carry over his stats.

[Roast]

oh well winning > achievements, right sammy?

 

*sigh*