Kerry Wood out of game....

[stubbers56]

Kerry is a thrower......not a pitcher.

 

He needs to learn how to pitch.

[Larry Horse]

Kerry is a thrower......not a pitcher.

 

He needs to learn how to pitch.

 

Amen, Stubbers. I'm glad I'm not the only one sick of this same old story with him......

[10man]

IIRC Will Carroll noted that the change in Wood's delivery when he came back was not something that would correct his arm problems. Ergo the flaw in his delivery which has regularly caused him trouble is still there.

[Cubzfan64]

Kerry is a thrower......not a pitcher.

 

He needs to learn how to pitch.

 

Amen, Stubbers. I'm glad I'm not the only one sick of this same old story with him......

 

I've felt that for a long time as well. To some extent, the same can be said of Zambrano - the guy has the arm to be dominant, now he just needs to become a pitcher instead of a thrower.

 

I'm really disappointed with Kerry's health issues - I honestly doubt he will ever be a starting pitcher you can count on.

[Blueheart05]

If Wood is hurt for an extended period, which is speculation at this point, the Cubs will have to make due. I realize this is a discussion board but some people push the panic button too soon. Obviously, trading him at this point isnt an option, all we can do is hope he is healthy enough to make some starts...

 

As I was looking around the net I found a little ode to this thread:

 

 

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=271177

 

This same scenario has played out too many times w/ this guy. Odds are 2/5 that Wood won't be pitching by next week. If Wood was a horse, I wouldn't even place him in my superfecta. Perhaps this is harsh, but dude makes $10 million a year. Seems like he's too lazy intellectually to fix his problem. I hope one of Hendry's main reasons in signing Maddux wasn't to straighten out Wood.

 

Whether or not Wood's tenure as a Cub is coming to a close, I disagree with your assesment that he is 'too lazy intellectually.' This matter has nothing to do with intellect it is a physical problem that he has repeatedly tried to address. In the end, it might be that his body can nolonger withstand the rigors of pitching every 5th day or, it could be that he just needs to get accustomed to having stiffness after a few starts... Whatever the case, I doubt Wood is causing or prolonging the problems due to a refusal to change.

[ondeckchamps]

Kerry Wood<<<

[Blueheart05]

I'd trade Kerry Wood for Harang straight up.

 

i for one am glad people are not overreacting

 

LOL, exactly. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

We don't even know what the deal with Wood's shoulder is right now. Maybe he didn't get warmed up enough and the weather (hot and humid in Cincinatti) caused his shoulder to cramp or stiffen up.

 

Wood's past doesn't inspire confidence in this type of situation, but full blown negativity and trade Wood comments are a little ridiculous, methinks. :D

[Iceblink]

rich hill please.

 

Seconded.

[Blueheart05]

We don't even know what the deal with Wood's shoulder is right now. Maybe he didn't get warmed up enough and the weather (hot and humid in Cincinatti) caused his shoulder to cramp or stiffen up.

 

Wood's past doesn't inspire confidence in this type of situation, but full blown negativity and trade Wood comments are a little ridiculous, methinks. :D

 

There maybe something to the idea that he didn't warm up completely (for whatever reason). Barrett said he noticed that Wood's velocity was down. Also, BBT said that Kerry was throwing 87-92 mph which is why he was getting rocked. We all know his mph should be in the mid to high 90s. Rothschild and others also noticed the change and that's why they visted the mound when there appeared to be no visible problem:

 

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050720&content_id=1139031&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[gflore34]

I look upon anything Wood can give the Cubs as an unexpected bonus - like finding $20 in your pants pocket before you put them in the wash. If some season he makes 25+ plus starts, great. If not, that's OK, wasn't expecting much to begin with. Edited July 21, 2005 by gflore34

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yes, everyone thinks he's good just because of the 20 K game. It has nothing to do with him being one of the better starters in the league every year for the last 4 years. I understand there are valid concerns with Wood's health, and it's certainly worth debating whether the amount of innings he pitches makes him worth his contract. However, we don't even know how much(IF ANY) time he's going to miss. If we find out that Wood is done for the year tomorrow, then rant away. But when healthy Wood has consistently proven to be one of the better pitchers in the league, which is a point that many people don't realize or refuse to acknowledge when it comes to their criticisms of Wood.

 

This complete inability to stay healthy is a huge issue, no matter how you slice his abilit. Realistically, how the heck can you count on a guy who either: throws a lot of pitches and thus is removed earlier than he should or you can't count on to give you a strong outing every five days because he can't freaking stay healthy?

 

The ability is there, but someone has gotta get to him how to pitch with his stuff and to prevent this type of garbage from happening.

 

He really helps the team when he goes 3 innings (and sucks while doing so) and then has to leave.

 

 

This exactly right. The thing I have issue with is people going nuts and saying that Wood hasn't been good(or "inconsistent") when he's healthy. It's just not true.

[USSoccer]

I don't think anyone who knows baseball would tell you that Wood isn't a good pitcher. That's partly why there's so much angst every time he gets hurt. The Cubs really need him, and he seems to have the durability of a graham cracker.

 

I'm holding a fools hope that he doesn't miss a start, that it was just the humidity or some rust from only throwing 75 pitches last start. But I'm not going to bet Aunt Bea's farm on it.

[gus_dog]

If Wood is hurt for an extended period, which is speculation at this point, the Cubs will have to make due. I realize this is a discussion board but some people push the panic button too soon. Obviously, trading him at this point isnt an option, all we can do is hope he is healthy enough to make some starts...

 

As I was looking around the net I found a little ode to this thread:

 

 

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=271177

 

Ugh, man people are stupid.

There's a few good posters on that board, but not many anymore...and the mountain of trash you have to sift through to find the nuggets makes it a waste of time.

 

Obviously, there are many children posting on that forum, as well as many adults who act like children.

[Beer Kaese]

I've got to go with the assumption that he's going to miss time and be placed on the DL. If this does turn out to be the case I take some radical steps.

 

I move Rusch to the rotation and leave him there for the remainder of the regular season. I bring up JVB for the pen so I can see how he does against ML hitters while Williamson is rehabbing. This action will give me an indication of where my pen situation is. I like Dempster. I could live with Ohman and Wuertz. (If you'd perfer Hill to JVB, I'm fine with that.) This gives a chance to see what I have to work with and what I (might) need to add.

 

If Wood is going to miss a month (or more), he's not coming back to my rotation -- unless I'm out of the race. With soft tossers like Maddux and Rusch in the rotation, I can spot Kerry and inning or two in relief of these guys effectively. No pitch count issues. Available to start if necessary.

 

Pretty radical but if I stay in the race for a month or more without him, I'm not messing with my rotation.

[YearofDaCubs]

Loss in velocity is never a good thing. I won't be surprised if he ends up having season ending surgery. It's never good when u lose 5mph.

[Backtobanks]

Now we see why Wood has never been a big winner in the Majors. Wood's "stuff" is as good as anyone pitching, but his body just continues to break down. I like Wood a lot, but I think the Cubs need to get him healthy enough to trade in the off season. His "stuff" and reputation will get the Cubs a quality player(s) for him. Also, by next year some more of our highly touted prospects should be ready to pitch for the Cubs.

[vaball]

If I were Jim Hendry I would trade Wood as soon as possible. Yes, he can be dominating, but only for a handful of times per season. I knew that this would happen to him again this season. I was absolutely certain. If he only misses a start or two, I'm sure that it will happen again before the season is over.

 

I don't think Wood scares anybody anymore. Yes, he can be lights out at times, but he is wild enough that disciplined lineups can draw enough walks and fight off enough pitches to elevate his pitch count and knock him out of the game in the 5th.

 

The Cubs can get more for what they're paying Wood. They should try to trade him to the Texas Rangers for Mench or Nix.

[AAApittsburgh]

If I were Jim Hendry I would trade Wood as soon as possible. Yes, he can be dominating, but only for a handful of times per season. I knew that this would happen to him again this season. I was absolutely certain. If he only misses a start or two, I'm sure that it will happen again before the season is over.

 

I don't think Wood scares anybody anymore. Yes, he can be lights out at times, but he is wild enough that disciplined lineups can draw enough walks and fight off enough pitches to elevate his pitch count and knock him out of the game in the 5th.

 

The Cubs can get more for what they're paying Wood. They should try to trade him to the Texas Rangers for Mench or Nix.

NTC and his value is too low. Nix has struggled as much as Corey and I'm not really a huge fan of Mench. Can't hit for crap away from Ameriquest.

[MustangMike]

I look upon anything Wood can give the Cubs as an unexpected bonus - like finding $20 in your pants pocket before you put them in the wash. If some season he makes 25+ plus starts, great. If not, that's OK, wasn't expecting much to begin with.

 

But the man makes like 10 million a year, how can that be enough for you? I'm done with Wood, gave up on him during his last DL stint. He's a distraction to the team and the fans...organization as a whole at this point. He inspires hope that shouldn't be there (in terms of his possible success). I just hope he gets healthy to finish the season off with a few quality starts and we can move him in the offseason. No one is untradable.

[YearofDaCubs]

The fact is Wood has not dominated or had his good stuff since the end of 2003 as far as I'm concerned.

[ManEatingTarp]

Now we see why Wood has never been a big winner in the Majors. Wood's "stuff" is as good as anyone pitching, but his body just continues to break down. I like Wood a lot, but I think the Cubs need to get him healthy enough to trade in the off season. His "stuff" and reputation will get the Cubs a quality player(s) for him. Also, by next year some more of our highly touted prospects should be ready to pitch for the Cubs.

 

I understand the frustration, but what do you really think you could get for Wood right now. I can see them moving him to the pitching starved Rangers for a player like Mench (who I like A LOT!). If they did that, they would probably still have to pick up a ton of his contract. No team is looking to get a 10 mil a year injury prone starter. Every reason you would like to get rid of him is why he will be hard to move. Potential can only get you so far. (are you listening corey patterson?)

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

If Wood is hurt for an extended period, which is speculation at this point, the Cubs will have to make due. I realize this is a discussion board but some people push the panic button too soon. Obviously, trading him at this point isnt an option, all we can do is hope he is healthy enough to make some starts...

 

As I was looking around the net I found a little ode to this thread:

 

 

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=271177

 

Ugh, man people are stupid.

There's a few good posters on that board, but not many anymore...and the mountain of trash you have to sift through to find the nuggets makes it a waste of time.

 

Obviously, there are many children posting on that forum, as well as many adults who act like children.

 

Is it just me, or is every other thread on there about the Cubs? Even the threads that aren't about the Cubs turn into Cubs threads somehow.

 

Typical thread on Cards Talk:

Post 1: Hey, we won again last night. Great game.

Post 2: Yeah, our pitching was awesome.

Post 3: Kerry Wood is hurt again. Cubs fans are stupid. Pujols is better than Lee. Blah Blah Blah.

Post 4: You know who I hate? Cubs fans. They're really stupid. They won't let me post on NSBB. I was going to tell them they suck. It was going to be funny.

Post 5: Dude, that would've been an awesome post! They really do suck! NSBB is a bunch of Nazis.

 

They're getting to be like Sox fans... they care more about a Cubs loss than a Cards win. (Not all of them, there are a few good posters left. But that board has gone straight down hill)

 

At least the Cards fans here are actually smart, intelligent baseball fans. They represent the good side of Cardinal fans.

 

 

And I think I might be the only person left that still believes in Kerry Wood... and Nomar Garciaparra for that matter.

[Fro]

It'd be nice to wait and see if Wood actually misses a start before we start going "WE R TH3 DOOM3D!" and "Trade Wood Now!"

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

No, that's just crazy talk. That'd be down right... logical. :lol: