Kerry Wood out of game....

[JC]

"Hi, Larry? This is Jim. You haven't shipped Burnett to Baltimore yet, have you? How badly would you like to get rid of Pierre's salary?"

[Mark Priors Calves]

Let him walk after next season, give me a break Wood.

[imb]

If Wood is hurt for an extended period, which is speculation at this point, the Cubs will have to make due. I realize this is a discussion board but some people push the panic button too soon. Obviously, trading him at this point isnt an option, all we can do is hope he is healthy enough to make some starts...

 

As I was looking around the net I found a little ode to this thread:

 

 

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=271177

 

Ugh, man people are stupid.

[E.J.]

New article up on Cubs.com

 

No MRI is scheduled yet, but they are going to give him a full exam.

 

http://tinyurl.com/96vxe

[abuck1220]

rich hill please.

[Gracies Girl]

Dare I ask, because I didn't watch the game (or even get to listen to it--stupid work ;) ), how did Kerry look tonight before he left? Like Kerry pre-2005DL or Kerry post-2005DL?

[CubfaninCA]

Sheesh he can't even stay healthy enough to deal him. I gave up on him after his last injury. He's damaged goods. Thankfully they got Rusch, who I was hoping they'd deal off. Would love to see Hendry get Burnett along w/ Dunn. Not sure if he has enough to offer though. Then deal Wood off in the offseason, as more or less a salary dump. Pick up some good prospects, whatever. Kerry's probably not worth much, if anything. I hope Kerry makes me eat this post, but I highly doubt it.

 

Your post is my exact setiments. how about getting him healthy and win five games then trade him to boston for Matt "never been on the DL "Clement. Oh that right many on this board thought I was nut for being an advocate for a durable inning eating potentially Cy Young awarding pitcher.

 

I'll settle for Dunn also

 

I was one who was glad to see Clement go. He was never consistent w/ the Cubs. Great one game. So so the next and awful the next. Iirc he got $8 mil. per year and that was too much. I don't think Clement will keep it up.

 

I have to give Hendry props for getting Jerome Williams. Williams may not be stellar, but it seems he can eat some innings ate least. Hendry hasn't been perfect, but I give him a solid B overall.

[CubfaninCA]

If Wood is hurt for an extended period, which is speculation at this point, the Cubs will have to make due. I realize this is a discussion board but some people push the panic button too soon. Obviously, trading him at this point isnt an option, all we can do is hope he is healthy enough to make some starts...

 

As I was looking around the net I found a little ode to this thread:

 

 

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=271177

 

This same scenario has played out too many times w/ this guy. Odds are 2/5 that Wood won't be pitching by next week. If Wood was a horse, I wouldn't even place him in my superfecta. Perhaps this is harsh, but dude makes $10 million a year. Seems like he's too lazy intellectually to fix his problem. I hope one of Hendry's main reasons in signing Maddux wasn't to straighten out Wood.

[Flames24Rulz]

Dare I ask, because I didn't watch the game (or even get to listen to it--stupid work ;) ), how did Kerry look tonight before he left? Like Kerry pre-2005DL or Kerry post-2005DL?

 

not good. he kept leaving the ball up over the plate and he was getting killed on his mistakes. He threw something like 65 pitches through only 3 innings too.

[CubfaninCA]

Im guessing its his delivery. It just looks plain ugly from his right side.

 

I never was a pitcher. Was a fielder, so I don't know much about mechanics. Was more of a basketball player actually... Anyway, is Wood just stubborn or is it that he doesn't have the intelligence to learn proper mechanics. I've seen this written before about his mechanics. Wood never struck me as the sharpest knife. Maybe three years at USC w/ Prior would have helped him. :)

 

I seriously doubt that Wood is capable of hanging with Prior (much less Gerut! The guy's apparently some kind of brainiac) academically. I didn't see, nor did I hear today's game (fortunately!) - but from what I've read here, it sounds like Kerry started missing his spots early and getting behind on the hitters. He's a guy who likes to dominate and has done so (again, when he's on and healthy) since he was a young teenager - so my theory is that when he started losing ground, he panicked, resorted to some old bad habits (poor mechanics), and got himself into more trouble game-wise and most probably another stint on the DL.

 

Everyone is sick of this euphemism called shoulder stiffness - at least, the fans sure as heck are. If Kerry is going to succeed in any major league club for any sustainted length of time, he has got to keep his head and stick with the game plan even during those times that he for some reason cannot pitch his "A" game. I mean, Greg Maddux has gotten shelled plenty in the last two seasons we've seen him pitch, yet thus far (crossing fingers) he still manages to bring the big game when the team needs it (he stepped up the first half considerably from his usual form when Wood and Prior went down this season), and has been putting up 15-win seasons (yeah, I know, but it's still an impressive stat) seemingly forever.

 

I'm sure Rothschild has been talking to him; I'm sure Maddux has said a few words; and I'm sure Kerry is sick of hearing it. But the guy's got to learn that while he does have dominating stuff, he has to rein things in -- he's not some freak of nature like Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens.

 

Kid K of the 20 Ks is gone, but the man who's left has the POTENTIAL to be a good pitcher... IF HE USES HIS BRAIN. Otherwise, we have a less-violent, $10 million Farnsworth on our hands.

 

I think that's a real good analysis, especially the part about Farnsworth. Kerry just sounds like a stubborn Texan. Lots of those around. :)

[YearofDaCubs]

You know you have issues when you are more injury prone than Josh Beckett.

[2242005CY]

I'd trade Kerry Wood for Harang straight up.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

I'd trade Kerry Wood for Harang straight up.

 

i for one am glad people are not overreacting

[2242005CY]

Never thought I'd utter those words myself, but alas, it's true.

 

Kerry NEVER has had "shoulder tightness" before. He's still throwing ACROSS his body, so this will be a routine thing for him. His arm can't handle it anymore. Period.

 

Harang is atleast healthy and ALOT cheaper.

 

I'd trade Kerry Wood for Harang straight up.

 

Not sure if you've noticed, but Harang has 109 K's with 35 BB's and 116 IP....You still think I'm overreacting??

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Never thought I'd utter those words myself, but alas, it's true.

 

Kerry NEVER has had "shoulder tightness" before. He's still throwing ACROSS his body, so this will be a routine thing for him. His arm can't handle it anymore. Period.

 

Harang is atleast healthy and ALOT cheaper.

 

I'd trade Kerry Wood for Harang straight up.

 

Not sure if you've noticed, but Harang has 109 K's with 35 BB's and 116 IP....You still think I'm overreacting??

 

Yes. Very much so.

[TruffleShuffle]

When they say "tightness" what they probably mean is "structural damage."

[treebird]

tightness = explosion

[2242005CY]

](*,) ](*,) Edited July 21, 2005 by #2242005CY

[2242005CY]

Never thought I'd utter those words myself, but alas, it's true.

 

Kerry NEVER has had "shoulder tightness" before. He's still throwing ACROSS his body, so this will be a routine thing for him. His arm can't handle it anymore. Period.

 

Harang is atleast healthy and ALOT cheaper.

 

I'd trade Kerry Wood for Harang straight up.

 

Not sure if you've noticed, but Harang has 109 K's with 35 BB's and 116 IP....You still think I'm overreacting??

 

Yes. Very much so.

 

When's Kerry pitching again?? Oh that's right, nobody knows.

When will Kerry complain of "shoulder tightness" and have to be taken out of a game for god knows how long, again? Not sure but 1 thing is for sure, it'll happen again.

 

When will the Cubs be able to depend on him again?? Never.

 

How much does Kerry Wood make??

 

How much does Harang Make??

 

How many Innings has Harang pitched compared to Wood? Atleast Harang takes the ball every 5th day and that is alot more than I can say for Kerry Wood.

 

I'm tired of Kerry Wood and everyone who thinks he's so good cuz he struck out 20 hitters on a different arm. He's never going to be healthy and for his salary, that is a joke.

[imb]

tightness = explosion

 

I think "tightness" is just a nice way of saying "flesh-eating bacteria".

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Never thought I'd utter those words myself, but alas, it's true.

 

Kerry NEVER has had "shoulder tightness" before. He's still throwing ACROSS his body, so this will be a routine thing for him. His arm can't handle it anymore. Period.

 

Harang is atleast healthy and ALOT cheaper.

 

I'd trade Kerry Wood for Harang straight up.

 

Not sure if you've noticed, but Harang has 109 K's with 35 BB's and 116 IP....You still think I'm overreacting??

 

Yes. Very much so.

 

When's Kerry pitching again?? Oh that's right, nobody knows.

When will Kerry complain of "shoulder tightness" and have to be taken out of a game for god knows how long, again? Not sure but 1 thing is for sure, it'll happen again.

 

When will the Cubs be able to depend on him again?? Never.

 

How much does Kerry Wood make??

 

How much does Harang Make??

 

How many Innings has Harang pitched compared to Wood? Atleast Harang takes the ball every 5th day and that is alot more than I can say for Kerry Wood.

 

I'm tired of Kerry Wood and everyone who thinks he's so good cuz he struck out 20 hitters on a different arm. He's never going to be healthy and for his salary, that is a joke.

 

Yes, everyone thinks he's good just because of the 20 K game. It has nothing to do with him being one of the better starters in the league every year for the last 4 years. I understand there are valid concerns with Wood's health, and it's certainly worth debating whether the amount of innings he pitches makes him worth his contract. However, we don't even know how much(IF ANY) time he's going to miss. If we find out that Wood is done for the year tomorrow, then rant away. But when healthy Wood has consistently proven to be one of the better pitchers in the league, which is a point that many people don't realize or refuse to acknowledge when it comes to their criticisms of Wood.

[2242005CY]

Kerry Wood of 2003 was a very good pitcher. 2004 when healthy:very inconsistant. Never knew what you were going to get from start to start.

2005 Kerry Wood: Can't remember him being healthy that much. But I do know he has a 4.67 ERA, so he couldn't have been that good when he was healthy either. Yes his last 3 starts were good. But do you see a pattern here yet? Shoulder Tightness ring a bell? Read this story before?

 

I obviously hope he is alright and this was just precautionary and no big deal. We'll soon find out.

[CubfaninCA]

Biggest problem w/ getting Harang is that Wood will most likely block a trade to Cincy since he has a no trade clause. Since Kerry has a home in Arizona, perhaps he'll accept a trade to a west coast team. Maybe the Cubs can pull a deal w/ the Anaheim Angels in the winter or the Dodgers. I hope so. That $10 million can be spent on guys who actually play on a consistent basis.

[Mark_R]

Yes, everyone thinks he's good just because of the 20 K game. It has nothing to do with him being one of the better starters in the league every year for the last 4 years. I understand there are valid concerns with Wood's health, and it's certainly worth debating whether the amount of innings he pitches makes him worth his contract. However, we don't even know how much(IF ANY) time he's going to miss. If we find out that Wood is done for the year tomorrow, then rant away. But when healthy Wood has consistently proven to be one of the better pitchers in the league, which is a point that many people don't realize or refuse to acknowledge when it comes to their criticisms of Wood.

 

This complete inability to stay healthy is a huge issue, no matter how you slice his abilit. Realistically, how the heck can you count on a guy who either: throws a lot of pitches and thus is removed earlier than he should or you can't count on to give you a strong outing every five days because he can't freaking stay healthy?

 

The ability is there, but someone has gotta get to him how to pitch with his stuff and to prevent this type of garbage from happening.

 

He really helps the team when he goes 3 innings (and sucks while doing so) and then has to leave.

[EastonBlues22]

If Wood is hurt for an extended period, which is speculation at this point, the Cubs will have to make due. I realize this is a discussion board but some people push the panic button too soon. Obviously, trading him at this point isnt an option, all we can do is hope he is healthy enough to make some starts...

 

As I was looking around the net I found a little ode to this thread:

 

 

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=271177

 

Ugh, man people are stupid.

There's a few good posters on that board, but not many anymore...and the mountain of trash you have to sift through to find the nuggets makes it a waste of time.

 

I'm a Cards fan who started on that board, and now I come here almost exclusively...I think that pretty much speaks for itself.