Non-Bears NFL thread 2025

[PackLandVA]

The Lions were averaging 30 points a game until yesterday's 6 TO, 10-point game. And now they're only averaging 29 points a game. Hardly a dropoff.  Their offense is not the problem. And that's not a knock against Brad Johnson.

[Soul]

40 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

The Lions were averaging 30 points a game until yesterday's 6 TO, 10-point game. And now they're only averaging 29 points a game. Hardly a dropoff.  Their offense is not the problem. And that's not a knock against Brad Johnson.

Dude, please.  Check your sh!t.  Happy to have a discussion with you but tie down the basics.

[PackLandVA]

27 minutes ago, Soul said:

Dude, please.  Check your sh!t.  Happy to have a discussion with you but tie down the basics.

What exactly am I "checking", other than my "sh!t"??

And my overarching point remains that the Lions problems this season are not their "drop" in offense, which is mostly negligent. Nor was my point some knock against Brad Johnson (despite some bizarre, baseless comment that I "still mad BJ beat Mark LaFleur).

[Soul]

15 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

What exactly am I "checking", other than my "sh!t"??

And my overarching point remains that the Lions problems this season are not their "drop" in offense, which is mostly negligent. Nor was my point some knock against Brad Johnson (despite some bizarre, baseless comment that I "still mad BJ beat Mark LaFleur).

Really can't believe I have to spell this out for you.  The Bears' head coach is Ben Johnson.  It's kind of a tell that you didn't recognize that.  Wouldn't you agree?

You are using the most generalized statistic available to support the idea that the Lions' offense is fine with the loss of Ben Johnson.  You can't just ignore yesterday, where DC was severely outcoached by the Vikings.  You can't just ignore the more specific stats that show their efficiencies have dropped from last year (see cwood's post).  DC is a head coach who couldn't rely on his OC to call plays, so he took that over.  Two things have resulted.  The offense isn't as good because BJ is a better offensive mind.  And the defense has fallen off too, which you'd expect.

What is your explanation for the rather incredible drop from 15-2 to 8-8 (with one game remaining)?

[We Got The Whole 9]

11 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Turnovers ain’t fundamentals

 

its endemic of undisciplined effort led by a Neanderthal meathead 

They had like 8 giveaways going into the game. It was a fluke. 

[PackLandVA]

I am well aware that Ben Johnson is the HC of the Bears, and the former OC of the Lions (despite my typo above). Some of you seem to think my initial post was some sort of attack against Ben Johnson and/or his value to the Lions. It's not.

Of course there will be an impact losing the OC (and DC). I just don't think the drop-off on offense this year has been that significant. They are scoring and moving the ball at basically the same/similar pace as last year,

You're suggesting points scored is the  "most generalized stats"??? Seriously?? That's the #1 objective of any offense. But somehow 3rd down and 4th down success rates are more important??? That just doesn't make sense to me.

I was only partially watching the game yesterday, but I thought they showed a stat that DC let the OC call plays for the first 9 games.  He then took over for the next 6 (not counting yesterday and yards/game increased about 50 yards/game to just under 400/game. That's a really good offense before and after DC took over play calling.

Regarding yesterday's game coaching, I'm not aware of any obvious coaching blunders the Lions made. But I wasn't watching closely. But I'm not certain he was "outcoached". His players turned the ball over SIX times.  Jersey points out that it is the fault of undisciplined coaching. I disagree. But if TOs are a result of poor coaching, then I guess the Lions have excellent coaching up until yesterday, because they turned the ball over only 8 times prior to this season.

I'm no apologist for the Lions or Dan Campbell. I was merely pointing out that they have a very good offense, still one of the best in the league. 

As far as their record, there can be plenty of factors in a 17-game season that swing a team from 15-2 to 8-8. The Vikings won, I believe, won 8 games last year by 6 points or less.  A few things go differently and they're not 14-3. 

[Geographyhater8888]

How the Vikings have managed to go 6-5 record with Brosmer and McCarthy is beyond me. They lead the NFL in offensive turnovers and are near or at the bottom in every offensive category. 

[Soul]

31 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

I am well aware that Ben Johnson is the HC of the Bears, and the former OC of the Lions (despite my typo above). Some of you seem to think my initial post was some sort of attack against Ben Johnson and/or his value to the Lions. It's not.

Of course there will be an impact losing the OC (and DC). I just don't think the drop-off on offense this year has been that significant. They are scoring and moving the ball at basically the same/similar pace as last year,

You're suggesting points scored is the  "most generalized stats"??? Seriously?? That's the #1 objective of any offense. But somehow 3rd down and 4th down success rates are more important??? That just doesn't make sense to me.

I was only partially watching the game yesterday, but I thought they showed a stat that DC let the OC call plays for the first 9 games.  He then took over for the next 6 (not counting yesterday and yards/game increased about 50 yards/game to just under 400/game. That's a really good offense before and after DC took over play calling.

Regarding yesterday's game coaching, I'm not aware of any obvious coaching blunders the Lions made. But I wasn't watching closely. But I'm not certain he was "outcoached". His players turned the ball over SIX times.  Jersey points out that it is the fault of undisciplined coaching. I disagree. But if TOs are a result of poor coaching, then I guess the Lions have excellent coaching up until yesterday, because they turned the ball over only 8 times prior to this season.

I'm no apologist for the Lions or Dan Campbell. I was merely pointing out that they have a very good offense, still one of the best in the league. 

As far as their record, there can be plenty of factors in a 17-game season that swing a team from 15-2 to 8-8. The Vikings won, I believe, won 8 games last year by 6 points or less.  A few things go differently and they're not 14-3. 

So at the end of the year will you still remove this game from their stats?  Let's remove the first Bears game then since we get to remove a game.  If I do that they drop to 28.7.

 

I just don't think you can take a game out of their results.  They were undressed yesterday.  It counts.  I watched as the Vikings just mauled DC's offense.  No, it wasn't a fluky 6 TOs.  It was totally legit, it will factor into their totals this year, and the loss of BJ has had a lot to do with their drop-off from league elite to mediocre.

[Soul]

22 minutes ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

How the Vikings have managed to go 6-5 record with Brosmer and McCarthy is beyond me. They lead the NFL in offensive turnovers and are near or at the bottom in every offensive category. 

They bring the blitz way more often that other teams.  They went a long stretch without allowing a passing touchdown this season.  They cause chaos.  I don't know that it explains all of their games but it has to help when you can't move the ball on offense.

Edited December 26, 2025 by Soul

[Geographyhater8888]

Just now, Soul said:

They bring the blitz way more often that other teams.  They went a long stretch without allowing a passing touchdown this season.  They cause chaos.  I don't know that it explains all of their games but it has to help when you can't move the ball.

Obviously their defense is why. It’s just super rare to have such an inefficient passing game and post a 500 record in 2025. Their team passer rating of 74 with 4 ANY/A. That game gave me 05 flashbacks.

[PackLandVA]

18 minutes ago, Soul said:

So at the end of the year will you still remove this game from their stats?  Let's remove the first Bears game then since we get to remove a game.  If I do that they drop to 28.7.

 

I just don't think you can take a game out of their results.  They were undressed yesterday.  It counts.  I watched as the Vikings just mauled DC's offense.  No, it wasn't a fluky 6 TOs.  It was totally legit, it will factor into their totals this year, and the loss of BJ has had a lot to do with their drop-off from league elite to mediocre.

No, I'm not taking one game away from their season results. Their offense is good, very IMO. The points and offensive yardage prove that. I mentioned the low score yesterday as it related to my initial post showing they were averagong 30+/game. After yesterday, they drop under 30. And the Lions offense is far from "mediocre".  Seriously?? What stat shows they're mediocre???

Six TOs in a single game is "fluky" in that they only had 8 in their previous 15 games. If you can't see that, I'm not certain there's much more to discuss in that regard.

 

 

[Soul]

17 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

No, I'm not taking one game away from their season results. Their offense is good, very IMO. The points and offensive yardage prove that. I mentioned the low score yesterday as it related to my initial post showing they were averagong 30+/game. After yesterday, they drop under 30. And the Lions offense is far from "mediocre".  Seriously?? What stat shows they're mediocre???

Six TOs in a single game is "fluky" in that they only had 8 in their previous 15 games. If you can't see that, I'm not certain there's much more to discuss in that regard.

 

 

Well, we started this discussion with you not knowing BJ’s name, then we moved on to you not really watching yesterday’s game, and now we’re at the point where you have a lot to say about things you don’t know, by your own admission.

Yeah, I think we are done here.

[PackLandVA]

I know who the coach of the Bears is, and always have. Silly you're pushing that. It was a (self admitted) typo.

I watched the game, but not as intently as I often do as it was Christmas.

What things do I say, by my own admission, do I not know about.  You're really parsing phrases.

You call the Lions offense "mediocre" - explain that. You think points scored and yards/game are the most generalized? Like 3rd and 4th down success is some gold standard metric. They are one of the better offenses in the league all season. For whatever reason, you seem to think I'm being critical of Ben Johnson.  Not certain why you feel that way other than I'm a Packers fan.  

[PackLandVA]

10 minutes ago, Soul said:

... then we moved on to you not really watching yesterday’s game...

I mentioned this because I didn't hear the complete context of the playcalling stat before and after Campbell took over. I saw the graphic though.

[BigSlick]

15 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Turnovers ain’t fundamentals

 

its endemic of undisciplined effort led by a Neanderthal meathead 

I take no pleasure (ok, some) in calling that Dan Campbell would be a candle that burns bright, but not for long. Those high emotion guys can inspire folks for a bit, but once things turn for the bad, the vibes get terrible and it collapses dramatically. Also he seems really stupid. 

[Soul]

Jordan Love ruled out.

Willis is also nursing a shoulder injury but will start.

Lamar also likely out for the Ravens.  Looks like a battle of the backups.

[Hot Sauce]

58 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I take no pleasure (ok, some) in calling that Dan Campbell would be a candle that burns bright, but not for long. Those high emotion guys can inspire folks for a bit, but once things turn for the bad, the vibes get terrible and it collapses dramatically. Also he seems really stupid. 

Campbell will be out of Detroit in three years or less.

[BigSlick]

 

Ryan Poles, your table is set 

[soccer10k]

2 hours ago, Soul said:

Jordan Love ruled out.

Willis is also nursing a shoulder injury but will start.

Lamar also likely out for the Ravens.  Looks like a battle of the backups.

Not the least bit surprising on Love. To move out of the 7 seed, the Packers have to win twice and the one of the Bears/Niners/Rams have to lose twice. And with the Bears and Niners playing, one of them can’t lose out. So they’re pretty much locked in to the 7. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

23 hours ago, PackLandVA said:

 

As far as the play-calling for the season, I think the Doesn’t seem like any drop off from Brad (edit-) Ben Johnson.

Bears are 11-4 and the Lions aren’t. Let’s just call it magic and as the magic continues and we continue to win I won’t care. In fact, the “magic” will just make me happier 

[Geographyhater8888]

I hope both Flores and Hafley are poached for head coaching positions and are out of the division.

[Brian707]

Interesting to see if the Packers are content with the #7 seed. The Texans vs Chargers game looks very interesting.  

[PackLandVA]

4 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Interesting to see if the Packers are content with the #7 seed. The Texans vs Chargers game looks very interesting.  

I believe Love is still in concussion protocol which rules him out for the game, and not so much the Packers are content with the #7 seed.  

Guess we'll find out based on who else does/doesn't play tonight.

Edited December 27, 2025 by PackLandVA

[Wilson A2000]

21 hours ago, BigSlick said:

 

Ryan Poles, your table is set 

Two firsts+ and the Bears can’t afford him, but the Bears are a Super Bowl contender with Crosby

[Soul]

1 hour ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Two firsts+ and the Bears can’t afford him, but the Bears are a Super Bowl contender with Crosby

The cap isn’t real.  Go get him.