White Sox (Smith) vs Cubs (Horton): 5/16/25, 1:20pm

[gflore34]

I'm sorry but, there's nothing at all impressive about Horton.  It's mistake after mistake after mistake maybe. it's a learning curve, still, discouraging.

[NorthsideAvenger]

2 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

I'm sorry but, there's nothing at all impressive about Horton.  It's mistake after mistake after mistake maybe. it's a learning curve, still, discouraging.

Seriously? Please let this be sarcasm.

 

[Bobson Dugnutt]

4 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

I'm sorry but, there's nothing at all impressive about Horton.  It's mistake after mistake after mistake maybe. it's a learning curve, still, discouraging.

lol 

[WhyCantWeWin]

Moises has been a ground ball machine, hopefully he can adjust

[BKHoo]

He has pitched less than 10 innings.   Quick judgments!! 

Edited May 16, 2025 by BKHoo

[Jason Ross]

6 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

I'm sorry but, there's nothing at all impressive about Horton.  It's mistake after mistake after mistake maybe. it's a learning curve, still, discouraging.

 

 

We do this same song and dance every time a top prospect comes up and isn't perfect in his first game and a half. We don't need to do it. We can have just the slightest bit of patience. 

[BKHoo]

Could just one of our rookies get off to a good start? 

[gflore34]

Just now, Jason Ross said:

 

 

We do this same song and dance every time a top prospect comes up and isn't perfect in his first game and a half. We don't need to do it. We can have just the slightest bit of patience. 

It's more of a hot take and frustration on my part.

[gflore34]

Just now, BKHoo said:

Could just one of our rookies get off to a good start? 

Honestly don't think that's happen since Contreras in 2016.

[Tryptamine]

Just now, WhyCantWeWin said:

Moises has been a ground ball machine, hopefully he can adjust

Yeah it has been groundball after groundball so far. I don't remember this being an issue at all in the minors.

[BKHoo]

23 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

PCA now leads the Cubs in home runs wow.

He hits so many these days that we don’t get the fun of seeing him on base!!

[Jason Ross]

Just now, gflore34 said:

It's more of a hot take and frustration on my part.

To a degree, I understand. We're all fans and we want everything right away. And listen, I'm a patience-merchant. My job is to hang out with 125 middle schooler's every day. It probably helps me when it comes to prospects. 

But I think Horton will be just fine. He's hung a few pitches on a windy day. It's a good learning experience. 

[Jason Ross]

3 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Yeah it has been groundball after groundball so far. I don't remember this being an issue at all in the minors.

MLB pitchers are much better. They're using his aggressive nature against him. Triple-A pitchers don't have the type of command or control - if they did, they'd be in the Majors. High contact-high swing players have a tendency to do this. He'll get there. Just has to learn what's a pitch he can hit versus a pitch he can hit for damage. Right now he's capable of hitting too much - he just needs to learn that.

[Tryptamine]

Horton seems to be getting ahead of people, but he's not putting them away as much as I'd like to see.

[Jason Ross]

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Horton seems to be getting ahead of people, but he's not putting them away as much as I'd like to see.

He did this a few times earlier this year in Iowa, too, until he really settled in. He'd get ahead, miss a bit too far out of the zone with the slider, and stay a little too much in the zone with the fastballs and guys would hang around. 

I think it's a bit of over throwing the slider, a bit too confident with the fastball in the zone. 

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

Horton seems to be getting ahead of people, but he's not putting them away as much as I'd like to see.

Think he's gotten only one K on a breaking ball, others have not even thought about swinging, wonder if he's tipping his pitches?

[NorthsideAvenger]

10 minutes ago, BKHoo said:

Could just one of our rookies get off to a good start? 

PCA was DOA when he was first called up last year. Now look at him now. Most young players need a little time to adjust to MLB.

[JHBulls]

Love PCA’s base running, “hey look, the RF’er caught that and wasn’t deep, think I will run to 3rd base and make it without issue.”. Who would think like that? 

[Soul]

If you're going to give a rookie his first start I'd say today is a fantastic choice.

[WhyCantWeWin]

Is there a hard cap on his pitch count 

[Tryptamine]

He really settled in the last 2 innings, still a low amount of swing and miss though.

[Jason Ross]

2 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Is there a hard cap on his pitch count 

I would say he's probably done. He was capping around 80 in Iowa and they'd probably rather get a reliever in a fresh inning versus having to bring someone in if Horton can't finish the inning in 12 or so pitches.

He's set up for a W in his Wrigley debut and had a nice last inning. We know W's are dumb stats, but they mean something to the guys still, I think. Let him leave on a high. 

[Tryptamine]

Just now, Jason Ross said:

I would say he's probably done. He was capping around 80 in Iowa and they'd probably rather get a reliever in a fresh inning versus having to bring someone in if Horton can't finish the inning in 12 or so pitches.

He's set up for a W in his Wrigley debut and had a nice last inning. We know W's are dumb stats, but they mean something to the guys still, I think. Let him leave on a high. 

Yeah, it would be really unlikely for him to get through the 6th anyway.

[chibears55]

34 minutes ago, mul21 said:

He's not going 6.  They're going to be lucky if he finishes the 5th.  I don't think his pitch count is going to be much above 80 and he's already past 55.

He should get a shot at going 6, only has 79 pitches

[chibears55]

32 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Moises has been a ground ball machine, hopefully he can adjust

Got it up that time just right at the 2nd basemen...

He's going yard next time up