NFL Coach carousel thread (non Bears)

[Tryptamine]

1 hour ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Saints list shaping up:

 

 

 

Someone needs to take Vrabel off the board to save the McCaskeys from doing their usual meatbally '85 bears horsefeathers.

[Derwood]

Counterpoint: Nagy, Spagnulo, Childress, Frazier, Shurmur, Rivera, Pederson

Bowles has the Bucs in the playoffs but still has a losing career record.

[mul21]

15 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Counterpoint: Nagy, Spagnulo, Childress, Frazier, Shurmur, Rivera, Pederson

Bowles has the Bucs in the playoffs but still has a losing career record.

Isn't Spags a Tom Coughlin guy?  He was the Giants defensive coordinator when Eli won his 1st Super Bowl for sure.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Spags got his first DC job in New York but was a positional coach under Reid for 6 years prior.

 

40 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Counterpoint: Nagy, Spagnulo, Childress, Frazier, Shurmur, Rivera, Pederson

Bowles has the Bucs in the playoffs but still has a losing career record.

Reid has been an NFL head coach for 25 years and successful for basically all of that time.  That's a long time to have assistants plucked and they certainly can't all be good because it's a zero sum game.  Especially when Reid is still coaching and has won 3 of the last 4 super bowls.  I mean, Pederson is one of 6 coaches to win a Super Bowl in the last 10 years. Rivera won 4 division titles and made a super bowl while coaching 2 not great orgs.  If these are failures then why would you expect any coaching tree to have a meaningfully high success rate.

[soccer10k]

Derwood talking about the Reid coaching tree as if it’s the Belichick coaching tree. Now that’s a disaster. I believe Bill O’Brien is the only one with a winning record as a head coach and he was only 52-48.

[Derwood]

I probably just have PTSD from the Nagy hire when it felt like everyone was drooling over the Reid tree

[jersey cubs fan]

Pete Carroll to the Raiders 

[NorthsideAvenger]

56 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Pete Carroll to the Raiders 

Carroll, Harbaugh and Payton in the same division......again? Well, ok.

Edited January 24, 2025 by NorthsideAvenger

[Brian707]

Carroll must be desperate to get back in the NFL

 

[jumbo]

58 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Pete Carroll to the Raiders 

Tom Brady making his mark? Not what I thought it would look like

Carroll is a floor raiser. They need competency and he should be able to provide it

[Tryptamine]

Where does McCarthy go now? Obviously can't go back to Dallas.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

11 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Where does McCarthy go now? Obviously can't go back to Dallas.

New Orleans or ESPN

[jersey cubs fan]

26 minutes ago, Ding Dong Johnson said:

New Orleans or ESPN

 

38 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Where does McCarthy go now? Obviously can't go back to Dallas.

Year off, return as OC, or college, also on the table. 
 

I think highly paid OC would be perfect gig for him 

[jersey cubs fan]

Slowik out in Houston, would be perfect fit for McCarthy as OC 

[NOLA]

5 hours ago, Ding Dong Johnson said:

New Orleans or ESPN

Local writers seem to think the Saints are getting McCarthy or Joe Brady.

[jumbo]

On 1/24/2025 at 7:14 PM, NOLA said:

Local writers seem to think the Saints are getting McCarthy or Joe Brady.

Brady has opted out of the Saints job. Gonna do the Ben Johnson thing and make everyone want him more next year. I guess that's easy to do when the QB is Josh Allen. 

Come on down, McCarthy? 

[NOLA]

4 hours ago, jumbo said:

Brady has opted out of the Saints job. Gonna do the Ben Johnson thing and make everyone want him more next year. I guess that's easy to do when the QB is Josh Allen. 

Come on down, McCarthy? 

McCarthy or maybe Kellen Moore, I’m guessing.  
 

The biggest issue with the Saints job is not the cap, which should be right sized a year from now.  It’s that Mickey Loomis is entrenched as GM.  If ever a team needed to rip off the band-aid and start over with new leadership, it in NO.  Gayle Benson is loyal to a fault. 

[jumbo]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:04 AM, NOLA said:

McCarthy or maybe Kellen Moore, I’m guessing.  
 

The biggest issue with the Saints job is not the cap, which should be right sized a year from now.  It’s that Mickey Loomis is entrenched as GM.  If ever a team needed to rip off the band-aid and start over with new leadership, it in NO.  Gayle Benson is loyal to a fault. 

Isn't Loomis more of a President Type in actual role? He also manages the Pelicans - is that right? I thought he was the GM for another pro team. 

My point is he must be steering the ship but delegating traditional GM responsibilities to Player Personnel types, etc. No way he is doing it all for both teams the way a ordinary GM would

Is this crazy talk? 

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, jumbo said:

Isn't Loomis more of a President Type in actual role? He also manages the Pelicans - is that right? I thought he was the GM for another pro team. 

My point is he must be steering the ship but delegating traditional GM responsibilities to Player Personnel types, etc. No way he is doing it all for both teams the way a ordinary GM would

Is this crazy talk? 

He was with the pelicans for 5 years but hasn’t been since 2019. 
 

Dennis Lauscha is the president. Loomis has assistant GMs and football admin guys below him. 

[WrigleyField 22]

Loomis is basically a GM of old, when it leaned as heavily toward business side of things. His resume through ~1999 was basically a carbon copy of Ted Phillips.  But yea he's always relied on his coaches and personnel guys a lot. He just manages its...  generally...?

 

Hes also a legit cap manipulation genius. I mean people are often critical of his cap decisions but he's basically a trailblazer in many areas of cap management that other teams try to often copy (and often fail at replicating).  But the personnel decisions attached to the cap maneuvering has faltered a lot.  And he's also been very anti-draft building (they by far have made the least picks and least comp picks during his reign).

 

They could do a lot worse, IMO. Although I don't know if hell ever build another SB winner, he certainly isn't a bad GM either (accepting that no GM role currently looks like his - closest being Roseman).  I think more teams should try the budiness/cap GM route.  But it defaults to specialized personnel/scout role almost always.

[NOLA]

8 hours ago, jumbo said:

Isn't Loomis more of a President Type in actual role? He also manages the Pelicans - is that right? I thought he was the GM for another pro team. 

My point is he must be steering the ship but delegating traditional GM responsibilities to Player Personnel types, etc. No way he is doing it all for both teams the way a ordinary GM would

Is this crazy talk? 

He’s been more of a President type for both the Pels and the Saints, but he’s also the one who sets the culture and direction of the org.  He’s STILL saying the Saints are “very close” to contending.  I can understand why an Aaron Glenn or Joe Brady wouldn’t want to take this job. 
 

Also, maybe not his fault, the both the Pels and the Saints have had historically bad injury issues for years.  Everything about the FO seems like they’re stuck in the past.

Edited January 28, 2025 by NOLA

[jersey cubs fan]

Cowboys hire Flus as DC

[BigSlick]

To his credit, he's a very good DC.

 

Never, ever hire him as a head coach. 

[WrigleyField 22]

22 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

To his credit, he's a very good DC.

 

Never, ever hire him as a head coach. 

Hes good. Very good might be a stretch honestly. High floor, but probably low ceiling.

[BigbadB]

I read that McCarthy was leaning towards sitting this season out, and rejoining the coaching search 2026.