Rumor: Cubs, Sox, Mariners in talks on 3 team deal

[Cuzi]

2 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

Let's say this a different way, it's nearly impossible for a package to be good enough to get Crochet but way too much to give up for Nico.  They're too similar value wise.

I would be willing to match any bet that the industry does not value Nico Hoerner and Garrett Crochet at similar values.

[LBiittner]

13 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

 

D.P.

Edited December 5, 2024 by LBiittner

[Bertz]

51 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

While it's exciting, if they were to move both Nico and Bellinger this offseason, that opens up a heck of a lot of work to be done on the offensive side of the team.

I think I'm here as well, but it depends on how much of Bellinger's salary is just going to turn around and be used on his replacement.

If the plan after a Bellinger trade is e.g. to immediately turn around and sign Anthony Santander or Pete Alonso, then Bellinger and Hoerner are largely independent workstreams.  If there is not a specific target who opens up after a Bellinger trade, and you're just trying to get some walking around money to apply generally, then yeah it feels like a potentially big problem to deal both guys.

[Stratos]

18 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

They are getting one of the prospects from the Cubs I would imagine. 

White Sox would probably prefer prospects in the lower minors, which works for us, would be nice to keep our main AAA guys plus Cam Smith.  Maybe they'd get someone like Cruz, Rojas, Mathis, or Valdez or someone else from us.  Mariners have to give up a bunch to get Nico.

Between Shaw, Triantos, and Cowles (with Busch in the back pocket) you could imagine we should be able to get maybe 2 WAR a year the next 2 years out of 2B without Nico.  If you can extend Crochet this is a no-brainer trade you make, he's projected one of the best SP in baseball next year.

[Stratos]

4 minutes ago, Bertz said:

I think I'm here as well, but it depends on how much of Bellinger's salary is just going to turn around and be used on his replacement.

If the plan after a Bellinger trade is e.g. to immediately turn around and sign Anthony Santander or Pete Alonso, then Bellinger and Hoerner are largely independent workstreams.  If there is not a specific target who opens up after a Bellinger trade, and you're just trying to get some walking around money to apply generally, then yeah it feels like a potentially big problem to deal both guys.

If Nico goes for Crochet it frees up some money as well.  It wouldn't be hard to replace Bellinger's offense if Seiya plays RF and DH is open.

We have to remember that Nico is only slightly above average with wRC+ but provides a bunch of SB too.  Probably harder to replace his offense at 2B than Bellinger.  But we have Shaw/Triantos/Cowles to try.

[Rcal10]

16 minutes ago, Post Count Padder said:

So what would the framework look like?

Cubs get Crochet

Mariners get Hoerner, maybe a pitcher from either us or the Sox?

White Sox get Caissie, Cole Young, Celestin, Birdsell? Triantos? Rojas?

Crochet is great but he is still a pitcher. I'd feel a bit nervous giving up that much and getting just him in return but maybe I'm being naive.

Hell, maybe this blows up and Robert also goes to Seattle.

If the Sox are getting Cassie, Young and Celestin they are not getting additional pieces from the Cubs. I also doubt they get that much. 
I think more realistic would be Cubs get Crochett, White Sox get Young and Celestin plus a lower level guy from the Cubs. Seattle gets Hoerner and maybe Triantos or someone lower than him on the prospect list of the Cubs. The damage would be the Sox lose Crochett, the Mariners lose Young and Celestin and the Cubs lose Hoerner, Triantos and a lowered lever young prospect. 

[Jason Ross]

I think one thing to maybe keep in mind in the event of a Hoerner trade - it probably says how the Cubs feel about Shaw. We can do our entire song and dance about how likely he is to or not be good. But you'd have to assume in that scenario...the Cubs have to feel good about not dropping off massive at 2b. They didnt force PCA into the lineup in the same way. 

[Rcal10]

13 minutes ago, Bertz said:

I think I'm here as well, but it depends on how much of Bellinger's salary is just going to turn around and be used on his replacement.

If the plan after a Bellinger trade is e.g. to immediately turn around and sign Anthony Santander or Pete Alonso, then Bellinger and Hoerner are largely independent workstreams.  If there is not a specific target who opens up after a Bellinger trade, and you're just trying to get some walking around money to apply generally, then yeah it feels like a potentially big problem to deal both guys.

But as I said, if they did this trade so they really have to trade Bellinger? What are they going to do with that money? They have their staff. Why not just keep Bellinger than? 

[KCCub]

1 minute ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I think one thing to maybe keep in mind in the event of a Hoerner trade - it probably says how the Cubs feel about Shaw. We can do our entire song and dance about how likely he is to or not be good. But you'd have to assume in that scenario...the Cubs have to feel good about not dropping off massive at 2b. They didnt force PCA into the lineup in the same way. 

Agreed - I've had that thought in the back of my mind. 

[JBears79]

1 hour ago, LBiittner said:

How does a high school kid (jacob) get 3000 followers? Has he broken any insider info on his own?

Edit: college sophomore/high school baseball announcer.

But my question remains: what news has he ever broken to be considered an insider 

There was a kid on reddit the other day that reported that Edman was signing with the Dodgers before it was announced. He claimed to be a friend of Friedmans family or something. I cant remember. Sometimes they get scoops just that way. 

 

Not saying he's credible but its not impossible

[LBiittner]

1 minute ago, JBears79 said:

There was a kid on reddit the other day that reported that Edman was signing with the Dodgers before it was announced. He claimed to be a friend of Friedmans family or something. I cant remember. Sometimes they get scoops just that way. 

 

Not saying he's credible but its not impossible

I understand. Just a similar case, back in the day, when mlbtraderumors was in its infancy and no message board members elsewhere would give him an ounce of credibility with his reports

[JHBulls]

All I read from the main board “Rumor: Cubs, So…”

I’ve never wet myself with excitement quicker. :(

[LBiittner]

Welp, Jacob is walking back this 3 team trade. Now he reports deal dead. No trade

[Bertz]

3 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

Welp, Jacob is walking back this 3 team trade. Now he reports deal dead. No trade

[LBiittner]

It was fun. Beats the hell out of the ohtani/cub junk from a year ago

[LBiittner]

2 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

I immediately picture this person returning to their video game or cartoon 

Or cubs blogspot

[Backtobanks]

3 hours ago, Outshined_One said:

This sounds like something cooked up by Back2Banks.

You know I love a 3-way trade, but I don't see the need to include the WS in this deal.  Hoerner plus 2 good prospects for a young Mariners starter.

[Cuzi]

25 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

You know I love a 3-way trade, but I don't see the need to include the WS in this deal.  Hoerner plus 2 good prospects for a young Mariners starter.

Well, you see, the Mariners dont have this guy named Crochet on their roster. So if the Cubs prefer Crochet and are looking to have Nico Hoerner be a good chunk of the trade, which the White Sox would have no interest in, then including the White Sox and Mariners in the deal would be the way to accomplish that with the Mariners sending Hoerners value in prospects to the White Sox.

So the Cubs get the pitcher they prefer while retaining more prospects in their system for other trades/promotion. The Mariners get the 2B/SS they want and keep their current rotation intact. And the White Sox get the prospect package they want.

Edited December 6, 2024 by Cuzi

[Backtobanks]

12 hours ago, Cuzi said:

Well, you see, the Mariners dont have this guy named Crochet on their roster. So if the Cubs prefer Crochet and are looking to have Nico Hoerner be a good chunk of the trade, which the White Sox would have no interest in, then including the White Sox and Mariners in the deal would be the way to accomplish that with the Mariners sending Hoerners value in prospects to the White Sox.

So the Cubs get the pitcher they prefer while retaining more prospects in their system for other trades/promotion. The Mariners get the 2B/SS they want and keep their current rotation intact. And the White Sox get the prospect package they want.

That's assuming the Cubs prefer Crochet rather than any of the Mariners' pitchers.  

[Cuzi]

6 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

That's assuming the Cubs prefer Crochet rather than any of the Mariners' pitchers.  

Considering the White Sox are even rumored to be in the deal, it's a pretty safe assumption. However, it's hard enough to come to terms in a 2 team deal, it's that much harder to match up on a 3 team deal, so if any thing does happen it will probably not include the White Sox.

Edited December 6, 2024 by Cuzi

[Jason Ross]

14 hours ago, Bertz said:

As someone who lives eight hours a day, five days a week around 12-14 year olds...this is entirely accurate. 

Literally two days ago, at 3pm, a 14 year old boy in my classroom attempted to use a hot dog as a pointer during his Ted Talk. The school served hot dogs for lunch. Four and a half hours prior. He saved a nearly five hour old hot dog (and I'm sure it spent time in his pocket) just for that. 

[BigbadB]

38 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Idk I listen adults here crapping on kids and think to myself “didn’t I just hear you, 45, talk about how a life goal is to be in the Disney HOF and that you go the park at least once a year since your late 20s?” Or “weren’t you just rewatching Attack on Titan for a fourth time?” Or “literally you were just talking about X-Men 1997.” Mentally the entire place is 14 

You felt like this was something that needed to be shared in this forum?